War on terrorism , 9-11, Iluminati etc

RecordStraight

Martha_Mae wrote: »

yes, yes and yes. It's proven that 9-11 was an inside job, we are being governed by the New World Order, but the whole Illuminate story is a bit fairy-talish and if you don't believe that ISIS is real I'm sure that lots of our soldiers who are currently in Syria will be able to convince you of the opposite..

We have soldiers in Syria??

Martha_Mae

RecordStraight wrote: »

We have soldiers in Syria??

Yes

RecordStraight

Martha_Mae wrote: »

Yes

You mean the peacekeepers?

Martha_Mae

RecordStraight wrote: »

You mean the peacekeepers?

They are still soldiers

RecordStraight

Martha_Mae wrote: »

They are still soldiers

I guess so - when I hear 'soldiers' I tend to think of combatants.

Cianmcliam

Why do they only show pics and videos of WTC 7 from the side facing away from the towers? There were two giant holes in the opposite side, each about ten stories high, according to the fire fighters who saw it, caused by one of the towers collapsing against it. In photos you can see that practically every floor is on fire.

RecordStraight

Cianmcliam wrote: »

Why do they only show pics and videos of WTC 7 from the side facing away from the towers? There were two giant holes in the opposite side, each about ten stories high, according to the fire fighters who saw it, caused by one of the towers collapsing against it. In photos you can see that practically every floor is on fire.

You sound like ONE OF THEM.

Wurzelbert

RecordStraight wrote: »

You mean the peacekeepers?

what syria and the whole region need is a peace-making force, not a peace-keeping one...

Martha_Mae

There are several documentaries online proving that only explosives could have made the tower fall so quickly and the way they did. Don't believe everything you hear on the news. God gave you brains for a reason..

RecordStraight

Martha_Mae wrote: »

There are several documentaries online proving that only explosives could have made the tower fall so quickly and the way they did. Don't believe everything you hear on the news. God gave you brains for a reason..

Which tower?

These 'proofs' are basically making lots of claims which they trust you do not have the expertise to debunk. I find it odd how people are so sceptical of official sources and so credulous with regard to random loons on the internet.

Duggy747

Martha_Mae wrote: »

Don't believe everything you hear on the news.

You could do with applying that to the documentaries "proving" 9/11 too.

Why do people say stuff like don't trust the news but listen to the shaky reasoning someone online says, is it because they simply say the opposite of mainstream?

RecordStraight

Duggy747 wrote: »

You could do with applying that to the documentaries "proving" 9/11 too.

Why do people say stuff like don't trust the news but listen to the shaky reasoning someone online says, is it because they simply say the opposite of mainstream?

People love to think they have secret knowledge, and everyone loves to think they are smarter than other people, especially stupid people.

There's even a name for it: the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than is accurate. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their ineptitude. Conversely, highly skilled individuals tend to underestimate their relative competence, erroneously assuming that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others.

Basically, dumb people think they are smarter than others because they are too stupid to understand how stupid they are.

Duggy747

RecordStraight wrote: »

People love to think they have secret knowledge, and everyone loves to think they are smarter than other people, especially stupid people.

Seriously, I know people who have "proof" about satanic / Illuminati symbols in pop music and videos.

Their proof?

A random video of a young 20-something year old with about 60 views.

cfuserkildare

Links234 wrote: »

Do Hitler's clones walk among us?

Very Possibly,

Just look at Grandad from Only Fools and Horses!

cfuserkildare

Also,

Check out www.Cuttingthroughthematrix.com for more theories.

Duggy747

Or that Big Pharma is out to get us and the proof is in an Alex Jones video.

Who himself peddles of Male Vitality supplements in the oestrogen war against masculinity.

cfuserkildare

RecordStraight wrote: »

Which tower?

These 'proofs' are basically making lots of claims which they trust you do not have the expertise to debunk. I find it odd how people are so sceptical of official sources and so credulous with regard to random loons on the internet.

This may be because people are getting kind of sick being told what to believe just because 1 important person says that their theory is the only correct 1.

Martha_Mae

RecordStraight wrote: »

Which tower?

These 'proofs' are basically making lots of claims which they trust you do not have the expertise to debunk. I find it odd how people are so sceptical of official sources and so credulous with regard to random loons on the internet.

You trust your official sources and lock twice before you go to bed - you can call Professor of Civil Engineering random loons on the internet as I do strongly believe you wouldn't be able to understand what they're saying anyway. At least the official sources use a language that everyone does I've got a new word for you Demagogue

Martha_Mae

Duggy747 wrote: »

Why do people say stuff like don't trust the news but listen to the shaky reasoning someone online says, is it because they simply say the opposite of mainstream?

It's called critical thinking.

Wurzelbert

cfuserkildare wrote: »

This may be because people are getting kind of sick being told what to believe just because 1 important person says that their theory is the only correct 1.

that may well be the case, yet still says nothing at all about what’s really the truth and certainly does not prove the opposite of the official version to be true in any way...

weisses

Cianmcliam wrote: »

Why do they only show pics and videos of WTC 7 from the side facing away from the towers? There were two giant holes in the opposite side, each about ten stories high, according to the fire fighters who saw it, caused by one of the towers collapsing against it. In photos you can see that practically every floor is on fire.

The debris from the twin towers had nothing to do with the collapse of building 7 ..

Duggy747

Martha_Mae wrote: »

It's called critical thinking.

I think we're all aware of what it is, you don't have to believe in conspiracy theories to be in possession of such a trait.

ScumLord

Martha_Mae wrote: »

There are several documentaries online proving that only explosives could have made the tower fall so quickly and the way they did. Don't believe everything you hear on the news. God gave you brains for a reason..

If they can prove that they can sue the American government and win. They haven't proved anything, even a demolition expert can't say for a certainty by watching videos or getting eye witness accounts of an accident that's not actually in his area of expertise. The problem with a demolition expert is their only going to see demolition, they will fit the story around their expertise.

The certainty with which claims are made by some people on these conspiracy theories is the real route of my complete dismissal of their theories, there is no way some guys on the internet with no direct access to the evidence, have no obligation to tell the truth and are making money of the back of their theories can be trusted. They are not reliable sources and it's scary how others start regurgitating their fantasies as fact. Once it get's past the original loon and is being spread by ordinary people to their friends and family it seems to take on an air of credibility.

cfuserkildare wrote: »

Also,

Check out www.Cuttingthroughthematrix.com for more theories.

That's hilarious.

Hi I'm Alan Watt, here's some crackpot theories presenting in the finest technology from 1990, buy my book, please buy my book or I'll go poor, buy my book or I won't talk to you anymore, if your not going to buy my book just give me some money, anything, please. The TV people won't give me money to spout my nonsense on air so I need money now.

Martha_Mae wrote: »

It's called critical thinking.

It's far from critical thinking. It's fantasy.

MOH

Martha_Mae wrote: »

There are several documentaries online proving that only explosives could have made the tower fall so quickly and the way they did. Don't believe everything you hear on the news. God gave you brains for a reason..

No, there really aren't.

Martha_Mae wrote: »

It's called critical thinking.

No, it's not. It's more confirmation bias.

Martha_Mae

ScumLord wrote: »

If they can prove that they can sue the American government and win. They haven't proved anything, even a demolition expert can't say for a certainty by watching videos or getting eye witness accounts of an accident that's not actually in his area of expertise. The problem with a demolition expert is their only going to see demolition, they will fit the story around their expertise.

Dear Moderator..

Sue the American Government. And win.... Right.

Civil Engineers have a wider are of expertise than demolitions.

I really don't see the point continuing this conversation. It's like trying to talk to the Catholic Church about Gay Marriage. Our grandchildren might know the truth one day. The sad part of the story is that the daily news are not being analysed by the public but consumed. You might come back with something completely pointless to have the last word on this. I won't stop you

RecordStraight

cfuserkildare wrote: »

This may be because people are getting kind of sick being told what to believe just because 1 important person says that their theory is the only correct 1.

One important person like...the news?

RecordStraight

Martha_Mae wrote: »

Dear Moderator..

Sue the American Government. And win.... Right.

Because nobody has successfully sued the US government?

ScumLord

Martha_Mae wrote: »

Sue the American Government. And win.... Right.

It happens all the time.

Civil Engineers have a wider are of expertise than demolitions.

Basically civil engineering covers a wide range of construction from roads, to bridges, to public buildings but civil engineers tend to specialise rather than do it all. They are not necessarily experts in every type of civil engineering and just because they know how to put up a building doesn't mean they're experts in how they fall apart under unexpected circumstances. It would help if you could name this civil engineer, it would be pretty easy to check his credentials and see if he even has any experience in that particular field.

The sad part of the story is that the daily news are not being analysed by the public but consumed.

That's true up to a point. It's why I don't read newspapers or watch TV, I don't trust them to tell the news without sensationalising it but they do generally stick to the truth as they know it.

RecordStraight

ScumLord wrote: »

That's true up to a point. It's why I don't read newspapers or watch TV, I don't trust them to tell the news without sensationalising it but they do generally stick to the truth as they know it.

I get all my news from random people who report world events from their basements on their Youtube channels. I'm using my critical faculties.

Martha_Mae

RecordStraight wrote: »

I get all my news from random people who report world events from their basements on their Youtube channels. I'm using my critical faculties.

A bit ignorant don't you think? Just because something is not widely digested by the public doesn't mean that was fabricated by some kid from their basement. You can continue with your post rant to try and feel some kind of an ego boost when you find someone else agreeing with you. That won't change the facts.

RecordStraight

Martha_Mae wrote: »

A bit ignorant don't you think? Just because something is not widely digested by the public doesn't mean that was fabricated by some kid from their basement. You can continue with your post rant to try and feel some kind of an ego boost when you find someone else agreeing with you. That won't change the facts.

Indeed. The facts are the facts, whatever conspiracy theorists make up from the comfort of their homes.

Magico Gonzalez

Martha_Mae wrote: »

A bit ignorant don't you think? Just because something is not widely digested by the public doesn't mean that was fabricated by some kid from their basement. You can continue with your post rant to try and feel some kind of an ego boost when you find someone else agreeing with you. That won't change the facts.

Hmm...let's see.

Just because something is not widely digested by the public doesn't mean that was fabricated by some kid from their basement underhand govt agency. You can continue with your post rant to try and feel some kind of an ego boost when you find someone else agreeing with you. That won't change what I believe the facts to be. the facts

Just saying "fact" doesn't make it so.

You can find a civil engineer from the truther brigade, I can find one with an opposing view. We can shout fact fact fact at each other for as long as you like.

weisses

ScumLord wrote: »

If they can prove that they can sue the American government and win. They haven't proved anything, even a demolition expert can't say for a certainty by watching videos or getting eye witness accounts of an accident that's not actually in his area of expertise. The problem with a demolition expert is their only going to see demolition, they will fit the story around their expertise.

The official report could not do that either .. they relied on a self fabricated computer model to support their theories, and needed to revise that over and over again when pointed out to the flaws regarding free fall etc ... Ooh and when asked by other professionals about what parameters etc where used in that computer model NIST refused access due to "national security" ...

To recap ... there was no evidence left ( hastily shipped out for unknown reasons) No access was given to parameters used to come to the official conclusion , so no one can reproduce it and check how they reached their conclusions

ScumLord wrote: »

The certainty with which claims are made by some people on these conspiracy theories is the real route of my complete dismissal of their theories, there is no way some guys on the internet with no direct access to the evidence, have no obligation to tell the truth and are making money of the back of their theories can be trusted

So you trusted Colin Powell when he made that nice presentation to the UN using made up accusations ? ..... It was a proven Lie (who got sued for that little mishap ??? )

ScumLord wrote: »

They are not reliable sources and it's scary how others start regurgitating their fantasies as fact. Once it get's past the original loon and is being spread by ordinary people to their friends and family it seems to take on an air of credibility.
That's hilarious.

If you mean that UN speech i Agree and there are plenty "official" points of view equally as hilarious

ScumLord wrote: »

It's far from critical thinking. It's fantasy.

Trusting that your government always has the best intentions regarding your safety and well-being is fantasy.

RecordStraight

The conspiracy theory world is interesting. I'd compare it to religion versus science.

Science tries to make sense of the world by looking at facts and seeing what we can make of them. Much like normal news reporting, carried out by hundreds of thousands of journalists all working for different organisations - if you report stuff that doesn't happen, or do report stuff that didn't happen, you won't last very long (in the Western world at least). Even Fox News doesn't just make stuff up - it reports the facts with their own special spin.

The conspiracy world, however, has loads of people who are all convinced of their own little conspiracy. Take 9/11 for example. You have those who believe that:

1. The towers were brought down by explosives.
2. They were brought down by missiles and the planes were holograms.
3. They were brought down by empty planes.
4. They were brought down by a secret space weapon.
5. They were brought down by HAARP.
6. They were brought down by some sort of beam weapon.

...and so on and so forth. Each Conspiracy Theory is like its own little religion. They don't agree with the narrative the news media has put together with observable facts, but they sure as hell don't agree with one another either.

So you have, on one hand, a narrative based on observable facts. And on the other, hundreds of conflicting narratives based on a weird interpretation of some facts that count on you ignoring other facts and common sense.

Science vs. religion.

weisses

I'm gonna be a demolition expert

If fire from kerosene (jet fuel) and office debris were sufficient equipment to bring a steel-frame building neatly down into its footprint, then why the need for the intensely sophisticated demolition industry? And all its fancy crews and engineering techniques? Why not, when a building needs tearing down, just spread some jet fuel on a few floors, light a match, and stand back for an hour or two? The notion is, of course, absurd

It gets even more absurd using this regarding building 7 ... where NO jet fuel was used .... Just some office fires .. spreading and extinguishing during the day

caustic 1

Just saw a large plane fly over my house being escorted by three smaller ones :eek: What's going on? I'm in Donegal.

weisses

RecordStraight wrote: »

The conspiracy theory world is interesting. I'd compare it to religion versus science.

Science tries to make sense of the world by looking at facts and seeing what we can make of them.

What scientifically used/proven FACT regarding as to how building 7 collapsed can you come up with ?

weisses

caustic 1 wrote: »

Just saw a large plane fly over my house being escorted by three smaller ones :eek: What's going on? I'm in Donegal.

Any high rise buildings around ??

ScumLord

weisses wrote: »

The official report could not do that either .. they relied on a self fabricated computer model to support their theories, and needed to revise that over and over again when pointed out to the flaws regarding free fall etc ... Ooh and when asked by other professionals about what parameters etc where used in that computer model NIST refused access due to "national security" ...

I don't know much about it, I can see why they wouldn't want to release data on the weaknesses of American buildings.

America doesn't do itself any favours when it comes to these conspiracy theories. Despite being the most powerful country in the world they seem to live in a constant state of fear. They withhold information possibly because it reflects badly on the US government but also out of fear the information could possibly used against America and it's interests. It will probably be 50 years before we can get have a sensible discussion and investigation into 9/11, it wouldn't surprise me if they had to wait until everyone involved is dead.

So you trusted Colin Powell when he made that nice presentation to the UN using made up accusations ? ..... It was a proven Lie (who got sued for that little mishap ??? )

No I never mentioned Colin Powell, all I did was discredit the people who claim they know what happened for a fact despite having the least amount of information.

If you mean that UN speech i Agree and there are plenty "official" points of view equally as hilarious

And now you've ran off with your own incorrect interpretation of what I've said and expanded it. This is how conspiracies start.

Trusting that your government always has the best intentions regarding your safety and well-being is fantasy.

Most people don't trust their government has their best interests at heart. Most people see politicians as self serving, media whores. That has no bearing on the credibility of the people spouting conspiracy theories.

caustic 1

weisses wrote: »

Any high rise buildings around ??

Do windmills count?

RecordStraight

weisses wrote: »

What scientifically used/proven FACT regarding as to how building 7 collapsed can you come up with ?

Gravity?

ScumLord

weisses wrote: »

I'm gonna be a demolition expert

Yes, that's how it wors on the internet, forget the training and experimentation just work off assumptions.

If fire from kerosene (jet fuel) and office debris were sufficient equipment to bring a steel-frame building neatly down into its footprint, then why the need for the intensely sophisticated demolition industry? And all its fancy crews and engineering techniques? Why not, when a building needs tearing down, just spread some jet fuel on a few floors, light a match, and stand back for an hour or two? The notion is, of course, absurd

Yes, it is absurd to think that setting a building on fire is the same as a controlled demolition. It should be obvious what the differences and benefits are.

RecordStraight

weisses wrote: »

So you trusted Colin Powell when he made that nice presentation to the UN using made up accusations ? ..... It was a proven Lie (who got sued for that little mishap ??? )

Which conspiracy theorist 'researcher' was it that exposed Powell's fiction? Was it Alex Jones? David Icke?

Who was it?

Cianmcliam

caustic 1 wrote: »

Just saw a large plane fly over my house being escorted by three smaller ones :eek: What's going on? I'm in Donegal.

There was 30% off chemtrails concentrate in Woodies yesterday.

DamagedTrax

RecordStraight wrote: »

Which conspiracy theorist 'researcher' was it that exposed Powell's fiction? Was it Alex Jones? David Icke?

Who was it?

the huffington post
daily mail
guardian
cnn
global research
even powell has admitted it himself.

you can literally find pages of google entries by just typing 'powell lies', not even a first name needed.

seriously 'recordstraight', you are like a misinformed child in this discussion, all you've done is stomp up and down throwing random words that you think fit the discussion.

thats why i bowed out, i agree with the poster earlier that said its like trying to argue god with a christian.

but if you're questioning powell's admission i really think you need to back out or at least do some actual REAL research beyond typing a few words into a search engine on whatever debunking site it is that you use.

for your pleasure.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-schwarz/colin-powell-wmd-iraq-war_b_2624620.html

bb1234567

stevowhelo1 wrote: »

Hey guys,
As of recent I've been doing some research into the war on terrorism and illuminati and various other subjects . The point of my post is to see general opinions on a number of topics. All opinions not to be abused or made fun of . We all have the right to an opinion, so let's not make it an online feud. So my questions are as followed:

1. Do you believe 9-11, Boston Bombing and various other events were planned for the benefit of corrupt people or heads of state?

2. Is there such thing as a new world order or illumiti that controls the minds of people through subliminal messaging and were various celebrities killed for speaking out ?

3. Do you believe that ISIS or ISIL actually exists?

I appreciate your feedback happy posting fellow board members.

Are there any valid reasons for thinking ISIS may not exist?

Cianmcliam

weisses wrote: »

What scientifically used/proven FACT regarding as to how building 7 collapsed can you come up with ?

In the videos you can see the penthouse on the roof collapsing into the hollow part of the building where fire and structural damage has caused the columns and floors to cave in below it. This happens several seconds before the outer shell of the building starts to fall without any signs or sounds of explosions necessary for a demolition.

RecordStraight

DamagedTrax wrote: »

the huffington post
daily mail
guardian
cnn
global research
even powell has admitted it himself.

you can literally find pages of google entries by just typing 'powell lies', not even a first name needed.

seriously 'recordstraight', you are like a misinformed child in this discussion, all you've done is stomp up and down throwing random words that you think fit the discussion.

thats why i bowed out, i agree with the poster earlier that said its like trying to argue god with a christian.

but if you're questioning powell's admission i really think you need to back out or at least do some actual REAL research beyond typing a few words into a search engine on whatever debunking site it is that you use.

for your pleasure.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-schwarz/colin-powell-wmd-iraq-war_b_2624620.html

Wait a minute - are you saying that Powell's nonsense was exposed by journalists rather than by Conspiracy Theorist 'researchers'?

Wow. Mind = BLOWN

Did you know that the JOOOS control 95% of the world's media? Conspiracy fact.

Wurzelbert

caustic 1 wrote: »

Just saw a large plane fly over my house being escorted by three smaller ones :eek: What's going on? I'm in Donegal.

was it a russian bomber?

DamagedTrax

RecordStraight wrote: »

Wait a minute - are you saying that Powell's nonsense was exposed by journalists rather than by Conspiracy Theorist 'researchers'?

Wow. Mind = BLOWN

Did you know that the JOOOS control 95% of the world's media? Conspiracy fact.

ill take a thread ban cause im bored of this.. but the sentiment will remain in my place and hopefully, like with the US government, if enough people read it then it becomes fact (isnt that how it works?)

you come across as an uneducated, ignorant dick who resorts to sidestepping and ranting and thinly veiled slagging, not because they're angry but because they havent got the intelligence to accept anything that hasnt been shoved down their throat by whatever shiny packaged tv station they watch (ill guess sky news but it could be anything).

infact in this entire thread you're like the little weird hobbit behind scumlords back, poking his head out now and again to say 'yea! told you so...'

twat.