Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

irishbucsfan

Tara Small Yawn wrote: »

Declan Kidney did a lot of things to varying levels of success.

Just pointing out that the idea of Ryan being an option at 6 didn't originate on this forum and isn't limited to these parts.

touts

If there is any doubt about Sexton then a kicker has to be called up (Jackson seems to be the 1st reserve). Calling up Boss is lunacy as he will likely not even get on the bench to cover Scrum Half if both Murray and Reddan stay fit and he certainly can't cover Out Half.

Beyond that cover for the second row and back row (I'm assuming Earls and Fitzgerald provide enough cover no to bother with replacing Payne at this point) may well depend on who is fit. With potentially just one match left in the campaign there is no point calling up someone who has a knock and won't train by the Wednesday cutoff.

connachta

thomond2006 wrote: »

Say one of the nines gets injured and ruled out for a week. You would have to de-register them permanently to bring Boss in for one match. Calling up Boss now prevents the need to do that.

Oh. No. That's happening again. No Boss.

Ruddock great addition if fit + one of Diack/Conan, Trimble and that's all
Sexton, fingers crossed, to recover for semi-final or final, he can't be replaced

sydthebeat

If SOB gets anything less than 2 weeks hes blessed.

irishbucsfan

sydthebeat wrote: »

If SOB gets anything less than 2 weeks hes blessed.

We already know he's blessed.

It doesn't count when he punches French people:

http://gfycat.com/EnchantingLegalArrowcrab

He's so blessed that if you upload a gif of him punching a French man to gfycat their randomly generated URL actually includes the word "Legal"

The Nyanga one was definitely worse too! No idea how he got away with that.

Stheno

Has he been cited yet?

rebel girl 15

Tommy O Donnell is a loss as a squad replacement, Ruddock being completely out of even the initial squad when a lot of the groundwork was done would hamper him hugely. So thats three Irish players in the last two months being stretchered off the pitch at the Millennium - lets hope no more next weekend!

rebel girl 15

Back up to third in the World Rankings this morning

WarZ

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Declan Kidney brought him to the 2011 World Cup as a 6. He's actually started for Ireland at 6 against France before.

Yeah, Declan Kidney isn't exactly someone we should be looking to for advice...

aimee1

Stheno wrote: »

Has he been cited yet?

No, just seen on the42.ie that pocock wasnt cited for a knee on baldwin in the same region as SoB hit Pape. And Baldwin was on the deck.

BoardsMember

I think Joe is as likely to keep Ryan on the bench, start Hendo at 5, and put Jordi in backrow, as opposed to Ryan at 5 and Hendo at 6. There's no way Ryan is considered for 6, other than perhaps as cover on the bench when a lot of other things go wrong injury wise.

aimee1

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Tommy O Donnell is a loss as a squad replacement, Ruddock being completely out of even the initial squad when a lot of the groundwork was done would hamper him hugely. So thats three Irish players in the last two months being stretchered off the pitch at the Millennium - lets hope no more next weekend!

Ruddock played last november, i doubt a whole lot has changed to make it a problem. Is ruddock fit is the question as he went off in leinsters last game

jacothelad

irishbucsfan wrote: »

We already know he's blessed.

It doesn't count when he punches French people:

http://gfycat.com/EnchantingLegalArrowcrab

He's so blessed that if you upload a gif of him punching a French man to gfycat their randomly generated URL actually includes the word "Legal"

It wasn't a punch it was a hand off.....:D
Actually if Pape did 'camel bite ' him there will be clear evidence to show that he was responding to a clear act of foul play. Speculation of course but somewhat confirmed by the camera so if this is the case then what was he supposed to do. Stand there until Pape got cramp in his fingers. Pape also went down like a shot pigeon clutching his ribs when the 'blow' landed nowhere in their vicinity.

The Lost Sheep

Stheno wrote: »

Has he been cited yet?

No timeframe isn't up until tomorrow morning I think

aimee1

touts wrote: »

If there is any doubt about Sexton then a kicker has to be called up (Jackson seems to be the 1st reserve). Calling up Boss is lunacy as he will likely not even get on the bench to cover Scrum Half if both Murray and Reddan stay fit and he certainly can't cover Out Half.

Beyond that cover for the second row and back row (I'm assuming Earls and Fitzgerald provide enough cover no to bother with replacing Payne at this point) may well depend on who is fit. With potentially just one match left in the campaign there is no point calling up someone who has a knock and won't train by the Wednesday cutoff.

Sexton seems to be the least concerning injury. We dont need 4 out halfs if he is likely to be available for a possible semi final. We should only call up Keatley if its to send one of the three out halfs home.

mahoney_j

BoardsMember wrote: »

I think Joe is as likely to keep Ryan on the bench, start Hendo at 5, and put Jordi in backrow, as opposed to Ryan at 5 and Hendo at 6. There's no way Ryan is considered for 6, other than perhaps as cover on the bench when a lot of other things go wrong injury wise.

Ryan and toner second row ,hendo Henry heaslip back row ðŸ‘ðŸ‘ðŸ‘

Pink Fairy

World cup final, a 6,7&8 of O'Brien, Stander and Heaslip against the All Blacks.... We'd win at a canter!

WarZ

mahoney_j wrote: »

Ryan and toner second row ,hendo Henry heaslip back row ðŸ‘ðŸ‘ðŸ‘

Who would be back up second row then?

I think we're more likely to see Jordi start 6 as it will involve less disruption to the team which seems to be settling in.

irishbucsfan

Yeah I'd imagine we'll see Henderson and Toner in the 2nd row to reduce disruption.

Fingers cross SOB will squeeze his way out of trouble again and we see SOB/Henry/Heaslip in the back row but if he gets done then I assume we'll see Murphy come in for the game. Our backup players are playing well at the moment, we should definitely continue the "next man up" approach for each position rather than going out of our way too much.

galwaylad14

WarZ wrote: »

Yeah, Declan Kidney isn't exactly someone we should be looking to for advice...

Couldn't agree more, we should be taking opinions from experts like yourself and pay no attention to a coach who has only won a grand slam and 2 Heineken Cups

mahoney_j

WarZ wrote: »

Who would be back up second row then?

I think we're more likely to see Jordi start 6 as it will involve less disruption to the team which seems to be settling in.

Hendo or Ryan can play 6 Jordi on bench

elastico

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

No timeframe isn't up until tomorrow morning I think

Don't want to get too optimistic but the video of the incident had gone viral before the final whistle yesterday, you would expect a decision to be made fairly quickly?

MJohnston

elastico wrote: »

Don't want to get too optimistic but the video of the incident had gone viral before the final whistle yesterday, you would expect a decision to be made fairly quickly?

Nah, that won't influence anything, and they might have cited him already, we just haven't heard about it yet.

davegrohl48

Just wondering peoples thoughts on the following.
If Madigan plays against Argentina due to injury doubts over Sexton and if we win that game. Shouldn't Madigan keep his place?
It would make no sense to drop a guy who has steered the team to victory over both France and Argentina.
I actually throught the French player was a mile offside for what would have been an interception late in the game, I wouldn't hold that against him. Thought he was brave in the tackle and kept a high tempo in the game.

BoardsMember

davegrohl48 wrote: »

Just wondering peoples thoughts on the following.
If Madigan plays against Argentina due to injury doubts over Sexton and if we win that game. Shouldn't Madigan keep his place?
It would make no sense to drop a guy who has steered the team to victory over both France and Argentina.
I actually throught the French player was a mile offside for what would have been an interception late in the game, I wouldn't hold that against him. Thought he was brave in the tackle and kept a high tempo in the game.

Madigan is always good behind a dominant pack, he's excellent at the type of game yesterday turned out to be, quick ball, lots of options. Where he struggles is managing a game where we are not dominant up front. If Sexton is fit, he starts. Doesn't matter how good Madigan has been, he is not as good as Sexton.

laugh

galwaylad14 wrote: »

Couldn't agree more, we should be taking opinions from experts like yourself and pay no attention to a coach who has only won a grand slam and 2 Heineken Cups

When it mattered most he made a decision based on loyalty rather than the best interests of the Irish Rugby team.

corny

BoardsMember wrote: »

Madigan is always good behind a dominant pack, he's excellent at the type of game yesterday turned out to be, quick ball, lots of options. Where he struggles is managing a game where we are not dominant up front. If Sexton is fit, he starts. Doesn't matter how good Madigan has been, he is not as good as Sexton.

True.

The French were very passive. especially in the second half, with their line speed too. Allowed him more time than usual.

ken76

Mccarthy and ruddock to replace poc and pom

WarZ

What's worrying is Sexton's groin is a recurring injury that affects his kicking massively. Was it not a groin problem he suffered from in 2011?

The Lost Sheep

elastico wrote: »

Don't want to get too optimistic but the video of the incident had gone viral before the final whistle yesterday, you would expect a decision to be made fairly quickly?

That the video went viral wont change the timeframe required to make the decision.

davegrohl48 wrote: »

Just wondering peoples thoughts on the following.
If Madigan plays against Argentina due to injury doubts over Sexton and if we win that game. Shouldn't Madigan keep his place?
It would make no sense to drop a guy who has steered the team to victory over both France and Argentina.
I actually throught the French player was a mile offside for what would have been an interception late in the game, I wouldn't hold that against him. Thought he was brave in the tackle and kept a high tempo in the game.

If Sexton is fit id start him. He is better than Madigan and it would make sense.

ken76

Mcilroy giving golf lessons today.sexton looks ok

Ruddock and McCarthy are the rumoured call ups.

ken76

Tara Small Yawn wrote: »

Ruddock and McCarthy are the rumoured call ups.

Yep seems to be the case

WarZ

davegrohl48 wrote: »

Just wondering peoples thoughts on the following.
If Madigan plays against Argentina due to injury doubts over Sexton and if we win that game. Shouldn't Madigan keep his place?
It would make no sense to drop a guy who has steered the team to victory over both France and Argentina.
I actually throught the French player was a mile offside for what would have been an interception late in the game, I wouldn't hold that against him. Thought he was brave in the tackle and kept a high tempo in the game.

Not a chance. Sexton is up there with Carter. He's one of the best players in the world and while Madigan was fantastic he is some level off Sexton. Sexton is one of the highest paid players in rugby, do you think the likes of Toulon or Clermont would be willing to offer Madigan the same and for him to be their starting 10?

As good as Madigan plays, Sexton is Sexton and he's one of our few genuinely world class players and a massive leader in the team to boot.

colster

Tara Small Yawn wrote: »

Ruddock and McCarthy are the rumoured call ups.

McCarthy is an interesting call. He's started the season well for Leinster. Ruddock has too.

total former

Ruddock is confirmed.

https://twitter.com/IrishRugby/status/653557659610804224/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Rigor Mortis

Ruddock called up according to 42.ie

irishbucsfan

If they're bringing in McCarthy instead of Tuohy it's a surprise. Tuohy was ahead of him in the buildup. But then Tuohy was really really awful in the game he played (was that Scotland?)

stephen_n

If SOB doesn't get cited it, will most likely be Henry Heaslip SOB with Murphy and Ryan on the bench. If he does get cited Murphy will probably start at 6 with whoever gets called in taking the bench spot.

MJohnston

Interesting that they're replacing POM and POC before Payne. Must be waiting on seeing the outcomes of Sexton and SOB?

WarZ

Is McCarthy really the next best in line?

total former

McCarthy has not been called up (yet), only Ruddock.

connachta

Rigor Mortis wrote: »

Ruddock called up according to 42.ie

YEAAAAAAAAH IRELAND FOR RWC TITLE NOW:cool:

irishbucsfan

WarZ wrote: »

Is McCarthy really the next best in line?

The next guys would be McCarthy/Tuohy/Foley.

I'd have Foley but he doesn't seem to be involved much yet.

BoardsMember

Absolutely delighted for Ruddock. He really deserves it, has put in some immense performances for Ireland, notably in the AI's last year. Been really unfortunate with injuries. He's a big hard man who does his job. Lovely addition, a possible a starter in a fortnight....

The Pheasant2

Sooo by his calling up are we safe to assume Ruddock's not injured?

connachta

BoardsMember wrote: »

Absolutely delighted for Ruddock. He really deserves it, has put in some immense performances for Ireland, notably in the AI's last year. Been really unfortunate with injuries. He's a big hard man who does his job. Lovely addition, a possible a starter in a fortnight....

Exactly. If he is fully fit, we won't lose much quality despite POM bad injury

sydthebeat

we need 3 call ups

ruddock confirmed
mccarty supposedly

and

????

is there any merit to bring another scrum half at this stage?
Joe will have to put faith in cave to cover centre.

The Pheasant2

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

Sooo by his calling up are we safe to assume Ruddock's not injured?

He played for Leinster the other week.