Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

Patrick Wheelock

Is there some legal or contractual reason that Paul O'Connell has to retire from international rugby after this World Cup?

Stheno

Patrick Wheelock wrote: »

Is there some legal or contractual reason that Paul O'Connell has to retire from international rugby after this World Cup?

Don't believe so.

highest viewing figures for TV3 for the match yesterday exceeded 1.4 million

awec

Patrick Wheelock wrote: »

Is there some legal or contractual reason that Paul O'Connell has to retire from international rugby after this World Cup?

No.

Though I suspect that getting released for international windows was not put in his Toulon contact and his lack of international call ups would have been something Toulon preferred.

aimee1

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby-world-cup-2015/thornley-and-cummiskey-on-ireland-s-emphatic-win-over-the-french-1.2387781


interesting line from thornley about 2 minutes in about how fear might now get france playing on saturday against NZ.

Patrick Wheelock

Thanks for clarifying Stheno and Awec

the comments after his injury led me to believe otherwise - that the decision could not be reversed.

awec

Patrick Wheelock wrote: »

Thanks for clarifying Stheno and Awec

the comments after his injury led me to believe otherwise - that the decision could not be reversed.

If he really wanted to he could play for Ireland again, but it would come at the cost of annoying his new employer.

He wouldn't be released for all the Ireland training camps though. Sexton had to get this clause specifically added to his Racing contract.

When it came to negotiating his Toulon contract I am sure POC and his agent would have been able to improve his terms by saying he was retiring from international rugby.

noway12345

This was O'Connell's swan song. Toulan is a final big pay check for his retirement. He put everything into this, that's why you can feel nothing but sorrow for him. O'Driscoll was very lucky to bow out like he did.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

I read a while ago that Toulon aren't going to let any of their players go on Summer tours for their countries. The French season has been delayed by the WC so it won't be wrapping up until a few weeks later which coincides with the Summer tours for Wales, maybe others too.

Point being if you're going to Toulon it's much less hassle to be free of any other commitments.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Mike McCarthy to replace O'Connell?

http://www.the42.ie/paul-oconnell-mike-mccarthy-2384501-Oct2015/

bilston

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

I read a while ago that Toulon aren't going to let any of their players go on Summer tours for their countries. The French season has been delayed by the WC so it won't be wrapping up until a few weeks later which coincides with the Summer tours for Wales, maybe others too.

Point being if you're going to Toulon it's much less hassle to be free of any other commitments.

I don't think Toulon would be allowed to do that.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

bilston wrote: »

I don't think Toulon would be allowed to do that.

Tell that to Toulon. It very much depends on what's in a players contract.

awec

Are there not international periods that clubs have no choice but to release players for?

I think it's only the extra ones that Ireland have (like the Christmas one) that the likes of Sexton needed a contract clause for.

The Lost Sheep

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Tell that to Toulon. It very much depends on what's in a players contract.

They wouldn't be allowed to if a player is called up for games within international window
Clubs/Provinces must release players during specific international periods

Teferi

Clubs can't refuse to release players during international windows thankfully.

irishbucsfan

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Tell that to Toulon. It very much depends on what's in a players contract.

Nah, he has to be released for the WR international window if the IRFU want him.

EDIT: Oh I see that's already been said multiple times!

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

awec wrote: »

Are there not international periods that clubs have no choice but to release players for?

I think it's only the extra ones that Ireland have (like the Christmas one) that the likes of Sexton needed a contract clause for.

Yeah. I've looked it up again and he's not refusing to release them but he expects them to choose club over country. Also bangs on about getting compensation for players missing club matches.

http://www.the42.ie/mourad-boudjellal-top-14-club-country-2234616-Jul2015/

There's not much he can do really, other than moan, but the point remains if you're going to play for Toulon everything will be much easier for you if you have no plans to play for your country.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Mike McCarthy to replace O'Connell?

http://www.the42.ie/paul-oconnell-mike-mccarthy-2384501-Oct2015/

Yeah not surprised. I know many on here won't have seen him play this year - but he is going extremely well this season.

awec

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Yeah. I've looked it up again and he's not refusing to release them but he expects them to choose club over country. Also bangs on about getting compensation for players missing club matches.

http://www.the42.ie/mourad-boudjellal-top-14-club-country-2234616-Jul2015/

There's not much he can do really, other than moan, but the point remains if you're going to play for Toulon everything will be much easier for you if you have no plans to play for your country.

Boudjellal is a serial whinger.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

awec wrote: »

Boudjellal is a serial whinger.

I know. I'm still waiting to see what happens when Quade Cooper doesn't show up in the south of France in a few weeks.

stadedublinois

There might be some form of exception this year. The first round of the Top 14 playoffs are the same weekend as the first tests and the final on the last weekend.

I would be disappointed if any player from my team decided to play summer internationals instead of Top 14 playoffs.

Edit: I see the conflicting dates are mentionned in that article

MrDerp

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

Will be watching this one in Argentina, with my argentine wife, on the sofa at 9am in the morning the day after my 40th birthday.

2 Possible outcomes.

Pissed off, with a hangover and the wife lording it over me all week.
Over the moon, with a hangover, with the wife staring daggers at me all week, possible father in law issues.

I'll take option 2. All day.

Option 3: Drink straight through until the match
If Ireland lose go sleep it off, if Ireland win follow your father in law around in your underpants giving him the finger and making bbbbllleeeeaaaauuuugghhhh noises

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah not surprised. I know many on here won't have seen him play this year - but he is going extremely well this season.

Slightly surprising given he wasn't in the extended training squad but I think at this point players who have played under Schmidt before in any capacity are probably ahead of any who haven't.

total former

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Slightly surprising given he wasn't in the extended training squad but I think at this point players who have played under Schmidt before in any capacity are probably ahead of any who haven't.

Well the big loser would be Tuohy who has been regularly involved under Schmidt. They're the only two viable candidates really.

And, of course, McCarthy never played for Leinster under Joe.

Zzippy

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

Will be watching this one in Argentina, with my argentine wife, on the sofa at 9am in the morning the day after my 40th birthday.

2 Possible outcomes.

Pissed off, with a hangover and the wife lording it over me all week.
Over the moon, with a hangover, with the wife staring daggers at me all week, possible father in law issues.

I'll take option 2. All day.

I've been to Argentina. Parties don't start til at least midnight and go on all night! You won't have time to sober up enough to be hungover

total former

total former wrote: »

Well the big loser would be Tuohy who has been regularly involved under Schmidt. They're the only two viable candidates really.

And, of course, McCarthy never played for Leinster under Joe.

Eh... I'm pretty sure he had one season at Leinster under Joe?

total former

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Eh... I'm pretty sure he had one season at Leinster under Joe?

How very dare you.

Nah, in Joe's last season he swapped between Browne and Toner as partner for Cullen. McCarthy arrived later.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

McCarthy agreed to go to Leinster while Joe was still there but Joe was gone by the time he actually made the move. I think he's played under Joe for Ireland though, no?

Stheno

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

McCarthy agreed to go to Leinster while Joe was still there but Joe was gone by the time he actually made the move. I think he's played under Joe for Ireland though, no?

Autumn internationals last year?

.ak

Yeah he's constantly been in he squads too.

PTH2009

This is our best chance to make a semi final but you're going in at 60% missing key players

1pm is an awkward time. The day will drag on if we lose and we will have to endure that terrible English premier league in pubs after

aimee1

ireland seem to be fighting the SOB citing which means he either gets cleared or gets nailed ???

Zzippy

PTH2009 wrote: »

This is our best chance to make a semi final but you're going in at 60% missing key players

1pm is an awkward time. The day will drag on if we lose and we will have to endure that terrible English premier league in pubs after

Optimistic as ever! :P

.ak

aimee1 wrote: »

ireland seem to be fighting the SOB citing which means he either gets cleared or gets nailed ???

Where did you see that?

Stheno

.ak wrote: »

Where did you see that?

Irish Times have an article on his defence that he was held off the ball and it was an open hand

Goldstein

I hope they have more backup than the clip we've all seen - seems a stretch.

At least the independent adjudicator is from Australia. Nice and independent there :pac:

marco_polo

aimee1 wrote: »

ireland seem to be fighting the SOB citing which means he either gets cleared or gets nailed ???

Is not not pretty common to make a case that a yellow card may have been issued by the referee had he seen an incident instead of a red?

Perhaps I am wrong but I wouldn't have the impression that arguing your case makes a huge difference either way to the punishment, citing hearings seem to be a pretty balanced and measured process for the most part (almost like a civil case really) . After all a hearing must take place anyway so its not really like you are wasting anyones time.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

If you look at the Hooper vs Argentina one the Aussies successfully argued he was held back and it was an open hand used (possibly even that the Argentinian was milking it) but he still got a 2 (1) week ban. There's no way O'Brien gets out of this without at least a week off.

awec

marco_polo wrote: »

Is not not pretty common to make a case that a yellow card may have been issued by the referee had he seen an incident instead of a red?

Perhaps I am wrong but I wouldn't have the impression that arguing your case makes a huge difference either way to the punishment, citing hearings seem to be a pretty balanced and measured process for the most part (almost like a civil case really) . After all a hearing must take place anyway so its not really like you are wasting anyones time.

They don't seem to like players taking the piss. If you are clearly wrong you would do better to just admit that and apologise. I'm pretty sure that's what the whole "good conduct during the hearing" thing is when they reduce bans.

rebel girl 15

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

If you look at the Hooper vs Argentina one the Aussies successfully argued he was held back and it was an open hand used (possibly even that the Argentinian was milking it) but he still got a 2 (1) week ban. There's no way O'Brien gets out of this without at least a week off.

From Hoopers decision

"The actions of Sanchez while deliberate, illegal and an act of considerable provocation, do not allow for retaliation in an illegal way including striking the opponent"

So no matter what Pape did, provocation won't be taken into consideration

awec

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

From Hoopers decision

"The actions of Sanchez while deliberate, illegal and an act of considerable provocation, do not allow for retaliation in an illegal way including striking the opponent"

So no matter what Pape did, provocation won't be taken into consideration

It is taken into consideration.

If a player just randomly ran up to an opponent and punched them for no reason they'd get a much longer ban.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

awec wrote: »

It is taken into consideration.

If a player just randomly ran up to an opponent and punched them for no reason they'd get a much longer ban.

Taken into consideration in terms of the severity of punishment but not in the verdict. I still think this hinges more on whether they're convinced it's an open hand or not.

thebaz

I think we can survive without SOB on Sunday, but without him against Aus, we'll be goosed , given the strength of there back row

Muahahaha

Anyone know what time in the game SoB punched Pape?

Eoin

within a minute, I think

Muahahaha

Right, I read somewhere 21 seconds but couldn't quite believe it. He must have been totally fired up. I'd say Schmidt is none too impressed with him at the moment, we have enough headaches as it is without giving us more

corny

Muahahaha wrote: »

Right, I read somewhere 21 seconds but couldn't quite believe it. He must have been totally fired up. I'd say Schmidt is none too impressed with him at the moment, we have enough headaches as it is without giving us more

I thought he looked hyped during the anthem.

.ak

Goldstein wrote: »

I hope they have more backup than the clip we've all seen - seems a stretch.

At least the independent adjudicator is from Australia. Nice and independent there :pac:

Ah yeah, the clips we have are from people lifting it off a TV feed.

The video and imagery available for review would be much better definition, plus they'll have access to any photography of the incident.

If there's any chance Pape was intentionally hurting sob to get a reaction they'll find it.

Sanjuro

.ak wrote: »

Ah yeah, the clips we have are from people lifting it off a TV feed.

The video and imagery available for review would be much better definition, plus they'll have access to any photography of the incident.

If there's any chance Pape was intentionally hurting sob to get a reaction they'll find it.

Been reading around some places that Pape was doing a 'camel bite' on O'Brien. And in other places, that he stuck his thumb up O'Brien's arse. Is there any evidence for these?

.ak

Sanjuro wrote: »

Been reading around some places that Pape was doing a 'camel bite' on O'Brien. And in other places, that he stuck his thumb up O'Brien's arse. Is there any evidence for these?

There's a pic that you can see he's grabbing at sob where his lower lat is. If anyone has ever been pinched or grabbed there you'll know all about it.

Figsy32

Nathan Murphy of Newstalk has just tweeted Mike McCarthy is on his flight to Cardiff. No prizes for guessing Paulie's replacement.