Almost 500 cases of female genital mutilation identified in just one month in England

RobYourBuilder

Almost 500 cases of female genital mutilation identified in just one month in English hospitals - Independent.ie

An average of 15 cases were discovered each dayin November, according to data published by the Health and Social Care Information Centre (HSCIC).

Last November 466 cases of FGM were identified; while in October, the first month such figures were compiled, 455 cases were reported. The figures for December are expected this week.

Despite the apparently high number of FGM cases, no one has yet been convicted for the practice, which has been illegal in the UK since 1985.

Dhanuson Dharmasena is currently on trial accused of performing FGM on a patient at the Whittington hospital in north London, it is the first prosecution of its kind.

FGM is the deliberate partial or total removal of the external female genitalia for non-medical reasons.

It is often performed in north and east Africa, as well as in some Middle Eastern and Asian cultures, on pre-pubescent girls and is thought to mark the passage into womanhood.

John Cameron, the NSPCC’s head of child protection operations, called FGM a “barbaric practice”.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/almost-500-cases-of-female-genital-mutilation-identified-in-just-one-month-in-english-hospitals-30935618.html

The French are sending their girls to the UK for the practice to be carried out;

In contrast,neighbouring France has adopted a much less tolerant approach to tackling FGM. Its systematic examination of young girls has led to some hundred prosecutions.

‘’I think England is very tolerant because they put cultural relativism first," says Isabelle Gillette-Faye, a French sociologist. "So if in your country of origin, you cut your girl, then it’s possible in England as well.’’ Gillette-Faye suspects many French girls are sent to "easier" Britain to have the procedure done.

‘It’s easier to take the Eurostar to go to London, to a private clinic, and have someone cut the girl. It’s just easier, it’s less money than to go to another country,’’ she says.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/female-genital-mutilation-a-huge-problem-in-u-k-1.2439423

FGM has been illegal in the UK since 1986 yet only one person has been brought to trial, a trial that's happening right now. Evidently, it's an issue that isn't taken very seriously.

It's horrendous that people do this to their children in the name of religion or for cultural reasons. I hope that the British can stamp it out there, but I'd also hope that we can help stop the barbaric practice occurring in Africa and the Middle East too. Perhaps we can insist that education on the issue is provided to the people as a stipulation on foreign aid and development given to the countries where it's practiced.

bodice ripper

RobYourBuilder, more interested in Muslims than fran17 is interested in gay men.

RobYourBuilder

bodice ripper wrote: »

RobYourBuilder, more interested in Muslims than fran17 is interested in gay men.

Like playing bingo. Every f*cking thread I start on a "delicate" issue, I'm guaranteed that someone will try and deflect from the topic and take it off course by page one.

Well done, you're on the ball. Have an internet like that you so desperately crave.

bodice ripper

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Like playing bingo. Every f*cking thread I start on a "delicate" issue, I'm guaranteed that someone will try and deflect from the topic and take it off course by page one.

Well done, you're on the ball. Have an internet like you so desperately crave.

Close to the bone, eh?

Aongus Von Bismarck

FGM is disgusting, but it's not a Muslim phenomenon, its a wholly cultural one.

Ethiopia is a majority Christian country has 74% FGM, same for many other African countries. Iraq is a overwhelming Muslim majority country and has 8% FGM (still awful mind).

Conflating it with Islam is dishonest.
There are around 2.8 million Muslims in the UK. 500 cases (if they are all Muslims, I'd imagine some of them are African Christians, Animist and other religions too) represents a whopping 0.01% of all Muslims in the UK.

porsche959

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Like playing bingo. Every f*cking thread I start on a "delicate" issue, I'm guaranteed that someone will try and deflect from the topic and take it off course by page one.

Well done, you're on the ball. Have an internet like that you so desperately crave.

You only start threads on 'delicate' issues that reflect badly on Muslims or brown-skinned peoples.

As I've asked you before, how come nothing from you on the Roman Catholic Church or British establishment child abuse scandals?

obplayer

porsche959 wrote: »

You only start threads on 'delicate' issues that reflect badly on Muslims or brown-skinned peoples.

As I've asked you before, how come nothing from you on the Roman Catholic Church or British establishment child abuse scandals?

We have plenty of threads attacking Christianity, this one is about FGM and why Britain seems to tolerate it.

RobYourBuilder

bodice ripper wrote: »

Close to the bone, eh?

Not at all, my pedigree chum. I find it amusing. What I do find bewildering though, is as to why a self proclaimed feminist is trolling a thread on a serious feminist issue.

reprise

bodice ripper wrote: »

RobYourBuilder, more interested in Muslims than fran17 is interested in gay men.

Scammy Pammy was a muslim?

Annasopra

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Not at all, my pedigree chum. I find it amusing. What I do find bewildering though, is as to why a self proclaimed feminist is trolling a thread on a serious feminist issue.

When did Bodice ripper proclaim to be a feminist?

bodice ripper

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Not at all, my pedigree chum. I find it amusing. What I do find bewildering though, is as to why a self proclaimed feminist is trolling a thread on a serious feminist issue.

Your bewilderment probably stems from the fact that I am not a feminist, nor have I ever claimed to be.


Your threads have a common thread. I refuse to take your concern about FGM seriously.

reprise

porsche959 wrote: »

You only start threads on 'delicate' issues that reflect badly on Muslims or brown-skinned peoples.

As I've asked you before, how come nothing from you on the Roman Catholic Church or British establishment child abuse scandals?

Would you like instructions on how to start your very own threads?

bodice ripper

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

When did Bodice ripper proclaim to be a feminist?

I have described myself as a misogynist on boards on several occasions.

RobYourBuilder

bodice ripper wrote: »

Your threads have a common thread. I refuse to take your concern about FGM seriously.

Childish logic.

RobYourBuilder

porsche959 wrote: »

As I've asked you before, how come nothing from you on the Roman Catholic Church or British establishment child abuse scandals?

The last scandal to come to the fore - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057353663&page=7

I'm the second last post in the discussion. Not my fault if the thread didn't gain much traction.

bodice ripper

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Childish logic.

Pattern recognition is present from a very early age, yes.

obplayer

bodice ripper wrote: »

Your bewilderment probably stems from the fact that I am not a feminist, nor have I ever claimed to be.


Your threads have a common thread. I refuse to take your concern about FGM seriously.

Then would you take mine? I have never started a thread on Muslims or indeed Brown Skinned People but I still find FGM to be a vile, evil practice and am stunned that it appears to be so prevalent in Britain.

Aongus Von Bismarck

Rob, do you accept FGM has nothing to do with Islam?

bodice ripper

obplayer wrote: »

Then would you take mine? I have never started a thread on Muslims or indeed Brown Skinned People but I still find FGM to be a vile, evil practice and am stunned that it appears to be so prevalent in Britain.

Of course.

Venus In Furs

OP, I know this is a serious concern, but you do start a lot of threads about muslims and immigration; that's why people think you just want to talk about the negatives of muslims rather than the specific issue at hand, or a more general discussion that doesn't just focus on muslims.

bodice ripper wrote: »

I have described myself as a misogynist on boards on several occasions.

Strange - you don't seem like you hate women at all.

RobYourBuilder

500 cases (if they are all Muslims, I'd imagine some of them are African Christians, Animist and other religions too) represents a whopping 0.01% of all Muslims in the UK.

500 in one month.

The failure to tackle female genital mutilation (FGM) is a "national scandal" with as many as 170000 victims in the UK, MPs say.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28127678

obplayer

bodice ripper wrote: »

Of course.

Then why do you think that when cases are found in Britain they appear not to be reported?

RonanP77

What's the reason for FGM or the logic behind it ? Is it meant to make them less appealing or take the fun out of things for them?

bodice ripper

Venus In Furs wrote: »

Strange - you don't seem like you hate women at all.

I disguise it by being female and angry. That way I automatically appear to be a feminist to people aren't paying attention.

The_Valeyard

A cultural ritual that has no place in western society. If the ladies wish to go ahead with it, fine but when adults and by choice.

Raging_Ninja

RonanP77 wrote: »

What's the reason for FGM or the logic behind it ? Is it meant to make them less appealing or take the fun out of things for them?

Because women are sluts and need to be punished obviously. Best way to make sure is to do it to them at childhood, that way they will be chaste and know their place in society.

Aongus Von Bismarck

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

500 in one month.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28127678

Apologies, so if, and that's a big if, it's all Muslims who are the involved in these cases, it represents 0.2% of all female Muslims in the UK, then it is more likely a cultural issue, with sfa to do with Islam?

reprise

Venus In Furs wrote: »

OP, I know this is a serious concern, but you do start a lot of threads about muslims and immigration; that's why people think you just want to talk about the negatives of muslims rather than the specific issue at hand, or a more general discussion that doesn't just focus on muslims.

There are people in Star Wars forums that talk about nothing but Star Wars. Not my thing, but I don't think I would be made welcome picking them up on it and I certainly wouldn't expect a poster there to be harassed about it because it was Star wars that piqued their interest for whatever reason.

bodice ripper

obplayer wrote: »

Then why do you think that when cases are found in Britain they appear not to be reported?

But, if cases were found, they must have been reported? I don't follow you.

Raging_Ninja

bodice ripper wrote: »

But, if cases were found, they must have been reported? I don't follow you.

They seem to be reported, just that nothing is done about it other than some hand-wringing and a few news articles.

bodice ripper

reprise wrote: »

There are people in Star Wars forums that talk about nothing but Star Wars. Not my thing, but I don't think I would be made welcome picking them up on it and I certainly wouldn't expect a poster there to be harassed about it because it was Star wars that piqued their interest for whatever reason.

Is this the "Look What The Muslims Did Now" forum?

RobYourBuilder

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

Apologies, so if, and that's a big if, its all Muslims who are the involved in these cases, its represents 0.2% of all female Muslims in the UK, that it is likely then a cultural issue, with sfa to do with Islam?

Your maths are a bit off there, bud.

It's a mixture of both. For example, Islam condones the sunna circumcision.

obplayer

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Almost 500 cases of female genital mutilation identified in just one month in English hospitals - Independent.ie



http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/almost-500-cases-of-female-genital-mutilation-identified-in-just-one-month-in-english-hospitals-30935618.html

French Muslims are sending their girls to the UK for the practice to be carried out;



http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/female-genital-mutilation-a-huge-problem-in-u-k-1.2439423

FGM has been illegal in the UK since 1986 yet only one person has been brought to trial, a trial that's happening right now. Evidently, it's an issue that isn't taken very seriously.

It's horrendous that people do this to their children in the name of religion. I hope that the British can stamp it out there, but I'd also hope that we can help stop the barbaric practice occurring in Africa and the Middle East too. Perhaps we can insist that education on the issue is provided to the people as a stipulation on foreign aid and development given to the countries where it's practiced.

I can see nothing in the article which mentions Muslims. What is said is

"So if in your country of origin, you cut your girl, then it’s possible in England as well.’’

JaseBelleVie

Can't we all just agree that FGM is one of the most horrible "operations" known to humanity? Whether it is performed for cultural or religious reasons is totally irrelevant. It is deplorable in any case and should be stamped out everywhere it is being performed.

reprise

bodice ripper wrote: »

Is this the "Look What The Muslims Did Now" forum?

Seriously?

It's LGBT for months!

Even Joeytheparrot had to move in.

BlaasForRafa

porsche959 wrote: »

You only start threads on 'delicate' issues that reflect badly on Muslims or brown-skinned peoples.

As I've asked you before, how come nothing from you on the Roman Catholic Church or British establishment child abuse scandals?

If you want threads on the Roman Catholic Church or British establishment child abuse scandals then YOU go and start them!

Otherwise quit it with your whataboutery and trying to deflect from the subject of the thread.

Gatling

Absolute animals

obplayer

bodice ripper wrote: »

But, if cases were found, they must have been reported? I don't follow you.

Sorry, I'll clarify. They have not been reported to the police or if they have then they have been ignored, either by the police or the DPP.

bodice ripper

reprise wrote: »

Seriously?

It's LGBT for months!

Even Joeytheparrot had to move in.

No, I meant your analogy only made sense if this was the MuslimWatch forum.

Venus In Furs

RonanP77 wrote: »

What's the reason for FGM or the logic behind it ? Is it meant to make them less appealing or take the fun out of things for them?

Yeh, following is grossly graphic:

The vagina is sewn up apart from a tiny opening and the clitoris damaged so as not to yield pleasure. The "tightening" up is to make things more pleasurable for the man while simultaneously less pleasurable for the woman.
Then there's childbirth, and non stop problems urinating. The practice is often carried out in filthy conditions (and, it has to be said, often carried out by, and staunchly endorsed by, women).

Still you'll get the "What about men"-ers though on these debates, which blows the mind.

bodice ripper

obplayer wrote: »

Sorry, I'll clarify. They have not been reported to the police or if they have then they have been ignored, either by the police or the DPP.

There are a whole bunch of factors then.

It's not that I don't think FGM is a major problem, I am just cynical about why it was brought up.

obplayer

bodice ripper wrote: »

There are a whole bunch of factors then.

It's not that I don't think FGM is a major problem, I am just cynical about why it was brought up.

Why-ever it was brought up I'm glad it is getting much needed attention in Britain.

BlaasForRafa

Venus In Furs wrote: »

Still you'll get the "What about men"-ers though on these debates, which blows the mind.

If that's so it's a pity. I think male circumcision is pointless except in cases of medical need but there really is no comparison to the long-term damage and misery caused by FGM.

Raging_Ninja

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

If that's so it's a pity. I think male circumcision is pointless except in cases of medical need but there really is no comparison to the long-term damage and misery caused by FGM.

Theres utterly no comparison whatsoever. One is a valid medical procedure, the other is mysoginistic barbarism.

reprise

bodice ripper wrote: »

No, I meant your analogy only made sense if this was the MuslimWatch forum.

No it doesn't. AH is not bound to a specific topic but does discourage posting of topics where there is a dedicated forum.

You, like everyone else, are not compelled to read or contribute to any thread that is not to your taste on AH. You are of course free to start your own that are.

Venus In Furs

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

If that's so it's a pity. I think male circumcision is pointless except in cases of medical need but there really is no comparison to the long-term damage and misery caused by FGM.

I actually staunchly object to male genital mutilation being carried out on a baby or a young boy against his will - it's ****ing barbaric IMO.
There are grown men (not just Jewish men) who choose it though, whether rightly or wrongly. I don't agree with them doing so, but they still do choose to. Catholic lads in Ireland like, not the Upper East Side or Tel Aviv.

The "what about men" argument in this regard is that discussions about genital mutilation should be non gender specific, which is just bizarre. There are differences between the two.
Nothing wrong with a discussion about the two together IMO, but nothing wrong with a discussion about only FGM or only MGM. To see that as gender discrimination is just cracked.

Annasopra

reprise wrote: »

No it doesn't. AH is not bound to a specific topic but does discourage posting of topics where there is a dedicated forum.

You, like everyone else, are not compelled to read or contribute to any thread that is not to your taste on AH. You are of course free to start your own that are.

Indeed. We are also perfectly free to point out that the OP has an agenda and is obsessesed with pointing out any and all flaws of muslims and immigrants.

bodice ripper

reprise wrote: »

No it doesn't. AH is not bound to a specific topic but does discourage posting of topics where there is a dedicated forum.

You, like everyone else, are not compelled to read or contribute to any thread that is not to your taste on AH. You are of course free to start your own that are.

Your analogy made no sense.

I am also free to say "chap's got an agenda".

RobYourBuilder

If you don't like my threads;click on my username and go four down. Click on it. When it asks if you are sure that you want to put RobYourBuilder on your ignore list, click yes.

Problem solved. You'll never have to read them again.

reprise

bodice ripper wrote: »

Your analogy made no sense.

I am also free to say "chap's got an agenda".

And he's free to say you've a massive chip on your shoulder. Riveting.

Sonderkommando

obplayer wrote: »

We have plenty of threads attacking Christianity, this one is about FGM and why Britain seems to tolerate it.

The very same posters highlighted this hypocrisy in the Rotherdam case by trying to bring the Catholic church in at every opportunity.

One religion is a punch bag and the other a sacred cow to some people on these boards it would seem.