Why ‘Operation Transformation’ is a superficial reality show

Ososlo

Gits_bone wrote: »

And then the next week you might not lose any weight at all but scales would show 3-4 pound loss.

but they'd give out to me on the week I didn't lose anything and that would probably make me cry:)

Gits_bone

Ososlo wrote: »

but they'd give out to me on the week I didn't lose anything and that would probably make me cry:)

Well you tell them you were on the blob. :-)

turbot

Obviously major TV networks can't share too much information that directly disrupt their main sources of income.

Telling people to embrace a high (healthy) fat, low carb, diet that is high in it's ratio of nutrients to calories, and along David Asprey (Bulletproof Exec's) lines, comparises a low inflamation, low allergen, low toxin diet as a habit, would debunk too many companies that advertise.

walshb

Why is anyone bringing up an issue with a weekly weigh in for a woman? Nothing to do with the menstrual cycle. That's part of life....Weigh in today, and weigh in in 7 days time and hopefully they have shed some lbs. It's not rocket science.

kunst nugget

walshb wrote: »

Why is anyone bringing up an issue with a weekly weigh in for a woman? Nothing to do with the menstrual cycle. That's part of life....Weigh in today, and weigh in in 7 days time and hopefully they have shed some lbs. It's not rocket science.

But if your menstrual cycle has an effect on your weight then having rigid weekly targets in place that don't take account of this doesn't make sense. Someone could be admonished for only losing a pound when they should have lost four for something that might be out of their control in that week. Obviously, there'll probably be a bounce back in the week after and it's only a minor issue but it just another thing that highlights the lack of common sense that seems to be in existence in the show.

LuckyLloyd

kunst nugget wrote: »

But if your menstrual cycle has an effect on your weight then having rigid weekly targets in place that don't take account of this doesn't make sense. Someone could be admonished for only losing a pound when they should have lost four for something that might be out of their control in that week. Obviously, there'll probably be a bounce back in the week after and it's only a minor issue but it just another thing that highlights the lack of common sense that seems to be in existence in the show.

Nah, just lose the weight fatty. And if you only lose half the 'target' weightloss you're a failure and should feel bad for not trying hard enough and letting the nation down. :rolleyes:

Blacktie.

Why do people say telling people the right thing to do would make for boring tv? I can't see how telling them to run constantly and eat low fat is anymore exciting than telling them to eat a real food diet with a focus on lifestyle change.

Gits_bone

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Nah, just lose the weight fatty. And if you only lose half the 'target' weightloss you're a failure and should feel bad for not trying hard enough and letting the nation down. :rolleyes:

I wonder if you the contestants were asked after the series did they feel bad? If so did it help them lose more or make them lose interest?

Did you see the article about the fat chef who got messages from a friend every day for 6 weeks calling him a "fat f**k"? Drove him to lose all the weight.

Alf Veedersane

Gits_bone wrote: »

I wonder if you the contestants were asked after the series did they feel bad? If so did it help them lose more or make them lose interest?

Did you see the article about the fat chef who got messages from a friend every day for 6 weeks calling him a "fat f**k"? Drove him to lose all the weight.

There is no 'one size fits all' approach when you're dealing with people who have weight issues.

For most of them, their weight issues are intrinsically linked to psychological issues

walshb

kunst nugget wrote: »

But if your menstrual cycle has an effect on your weight then having rigid weekly targets in place that don't take account of this doesn't make sense. Someone could be admonished for only losing a pound when they should have lost four for something that might be out of their control in that week. Obviously, there'll probably be a bounce back in the week after and it's only a minor issue but it just another thing that highlights the lack of common sense that seems to be in existence in the show.

Not an expert, but surely you can only gain weight by ingesting stuff? Menstruating or not, if a heavy/fat person watches their daily intake and exercises surely the menstruation cycle won't hold them back too much in that week, and they could shift more than 1 lb?

http://www.everydayhealth.com/pms/weight-and-your-cycle.aspx

"The menstrual cycle isn't the cause of weight changes, it's just a bystander," explains Arias. The menstrual cycle does not directly impact weight loss or gain, but there may be some secondary connections."

"On the list of premenstrual syndrome (PMS) symptoms are changes in appetite and food cravings, and that can affect weight. Studies show that women tend to crave foods high in fat and carbohydrates during specific phases of the menstrual cycle; women also tend to take in more calories during these phases."

Woman: "I only lost 1 lb this week because I was menstruating." And? Lame excuse it seems.

kunst nugget

walshb wrote: »

Not an expert, but surely you can only gain weight by ingesting stuff? Menstruating or not, if a heavy/fat person watches their daily intake and exercises surely the menstruation cycle won't hold them back too much in that week, and they could shift more than 1 lb?

http://www.everydayhealth.com/pms/weight-and-your-cycle.aspx

"The menstrual cycle isn't the cause of weight changes, it's just a bystander," explains Arias. The menstrual cycle does not directly impact weight loss or gain, but there may be some secondary connections."

"On the list of premenstrual syndrome (PMS) symptoms are changes in appetite and food cravings, and that can affect weight. Studies show that women tend to crave foods high in fat and carbohydrates during specific phases of the menstrual cycle; women also tend to take in more calories during these phases."

Woman: "I only lost 1 lb this week because I was menstruating." And? Lame excuse it seems.

Sure overeating due cravings is going to cause weight gain but water retention seems to a big factor for a lot of women during their period.

Weight gain during a period is usually due to water retention in the tissues. Although it is not a serious condition, women may be alarmed that they can gain a few pounds, ranging from one to six pounds. Others can gain as much as ten pounds, even if they feel that they have not done anything to increase their weight.

http://www.md-health.com/Weight-Gain-During-Period.html

Another thing to add to the 'Thank God, I'm a man' list…

Ososlo

walshb wrote: »

Not an expert, but surely you can only gain weight by ingesting stuff? Menstruating or not, if a heavy/fat person watches their daily intake and exercises surely the menstruation cycle won't hold them back too much in that week, and they could shift more than 1 lb?

http://www.everydayhealth.com/pms/weight-and-your-cycle.aspx

"The menstrual cycle isn't the cause of weight changes, it's just a bystander," explains Arias. The menstrual cycle does not directly impact weight loss or gain, but there may be some secondary connections."

"On the list of premenstrual syndrome (PMS) symptoms are changes in appetite and food cravings, and that can affect weight. Studies show that women tend to crave foods high in fat and carbohydrates during specific phases of the menstrual cycle; women also tend to take in more calories during these phases."

Woman: "I only lost 1 lb this week because I was menstruating." And? Lame excuse it seems.

All I know is, I eat well, don't increase calorie intake when having my period, run 55-60 miles a week, am 8.9lbs normally, but can go up to 8.12/13 for about 3 days every month.
Just speaking from experience....

walshb

Ososlo wrote: »

All I know is, I eat well, don't increase calorie intake when having my period, run 55-60 miles a week, am 8.9lbs normally, but can go up to 8.12/13 for about 3 days every month.
Just speaking from experience....

I disagree with the assertion that the lack of weight loss during the menstruation cycle is out of the control of the person. It may throw up some obstacles, like the cravings etc, but it's still in your control. The cycle itself has no chemical or biological impact on weight gain or loss.

Ososlo

walshb wrote: »

I disagree with the assertion that the lack of weight loss during the menstruation cycle is out of the control of the person. It may throw up some obstacles, like the cravings etc, but it's still in your control. The cycle itself has no chemical or biological impact on weight gain or loss.

For me that would mean decreasing calorie intake for a few days each month. As I said I don't increase calorie intake for those days. It's obviously water retention.
I can't decrease calorie intake due to my exercise. It's not in my control unless I did that which wouldn't be very sensible now would it?

edit: I don't get cravings..

walshb

kunst nugget wrote: »

Sure overeating due cravings is going to cause weight gain but water retention seems to a big factor for a lot of women during their period.



http://www.md-health.com/Weight-Gain-During-Period.html

Another thing to add to the 'Thank God, I'm a man' list…

I am not sure how valid the water retention issue is, but I am sure there are many women out there who have little issue weighing the same or losing weight intentionally during the cycle. Maybe ingesting less liquid is the key. Maybe some women are ingesting liquid that the don't really need.

I agree, that during the cycle that women may find it more challenging, but I don't get using it as some sort of definitive reason as to weight gain or lack of weight loss.

looksee

There is some good discussion here about healthy eating etc, but to base anything on a tv show is pointless. You would be better spending the time exercising than watching it.

If you did work on your house based on the 'transformation' programs you would get some very tacky results. If you did your cooking like some of the chef programs you would need a kitchen assistant to prepare stuff and wash up for you. Health isn't superficial, but these programs certainly are.

walshb

Ososlo wrote: »

For me that would mean decreasing calorie intake for a few days each month. As I said I don't increase calorie intake for those days. It's obviously water retention.
I can't decrease calorie intake due to my exercise. It's not in my control unless I did that which wouldn't be very sensible now would it?

edit: I don't get cravings..

On average how much liquid would you ingest daily, and are there times in the day when you would ingest liquid just for the sake of it, which is what many people do. For example: Instead of having 1.5 to 2 liters of water, as well as your coffees and teas, maybe reduce to 1 litre of water...

It's in all our controls as regards what we ingest into the body.

Mellor

walshb wrote: »

Not an expert, but surely you can only gain weight by ingesting stuff? Menstruating or not, if a heavy/fat person watches their daily intake and exercises surely the menstruation cycle won't hold them back too much in that week, and they could shift more than 1 lb?

http://www.everydayhealth.com/pms/weight-and-your-cycle.aspx

"The menstrual cycle isn't the cause of weight changes, it's just a bystander," explains Arias. The menstrual cycle does not directly impact weight loss or gain, but there may be some secondary connections."

"On the list of premenstrual syndrome (PMS) symptoms are changes in appetite and food cravings, and that can affect weight. Studies show that women tend to crave foods high in fat and carbohydrates during specific phases of the menstrual cycle; women also tend to take in more calories during these phases."

Woman: "I only lost 1 lb this week because I was menstruating." And? Lame excuse it seems.

The cycle won't effect FAT loss, or gain. So for a regular person trying to get in shape it's irrelevant.
But it affect water retention levels, which affects the numbers on the scales. Which is obviously an issue with weekly weigh-in.

As a fight fan, I'm sure you know how much hydration can affect the scales.

Ososlo

walshb wrote: »

On average how much liquid would you ingest daily, and are there times in the day when you would ingest liquid just for the sake of it, which is what many people do.

It's in all our controls as regards what we ingest into the body.

3 litres on average. A bit less in winter and a bit more in summer. Maybe you have a point but I do feel I need it due to my exercise. It definitely impacts on my running performance when I'm slightly dehydrated.

walshb

Mellor wrote: »

The cycle won't effect FAT loss, or gain. So for a regular person trying to get in shape it's irrelevant.
But it affect water retention levels, which affects the numbers on the scales. Which is obviously an issue with weekly weigh-in.

As a fight fan, I'm sure you know how much hydration can affect the scales.

Yes, so it's still in the control of the person. There are so many people out there ingesting far too much liquids based off the general advice that we need two litres of water a day. They ingest two litres as well as there 5-6 cups of tea and their water from food. They are ingesting when not remotely thirsty or in need. This is all controllable.

Alf Veedersane

walshb wrote: »

Yes, so it's still in the control of the person. There are so many people out there ingesting far too much liquids based off the general advice that we need two litres of water a day. They ingest two litres as well as there 5-6 cups of tea and their water from food. They are ingesting when not remotely thirsty or in need. This is all controllable.

Not losing/gaining weight because of water retention is very different to not losing weight/gaining weight because your diet is poor.

Yes, the water you drink is controllable. But that doesn't mean someone should be pilloried on tv because of they've drank 'too much' around the time of their period.

walshb

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Yes, the water you drink is controllable. But that doesn't mean someone should be pilloried on tv because of they've drank 'too much' around the time of their period.

Has this happened?

Simple: I don't see the cycle being a valid enough excuse/reason for not hitting relatively handy targets as regards wight loss. Part of life, dig deep or shut up. I wouldn't slate someone for not hitting their target, but I wouldn't be excusing it and making out that it was down to the time of the month either.

If a woman feels that at every cycle she seems to not lose weight (that she really really wants to lose) and seems to think that water retention is a factor, then change her strategy.

Same sort excuse is used when someone gives up cigs. Oh, I'll put on weight. No, not if you don't want to and do something about it.

Ososlo

walshb wrote: »

Has this happened?

Simple: I don't see the cycle being a valid enough excuse/reason for not hitting relatively handy targets as regards wight loss. Part of life, dig deep or shut up. I wouldn't slate someone for not hitting their target, but I wouldn't be excusing it and making out that it was down to the time of the month either.

My original point was that they've never ever (I stand to be corrected but I watch all the shows and never once heard mention) alluded to the fact that someone might be half a pound or a pound outside their goal weight with the reason possibly due to having their period. I just think it's weird...

walshb

Ososlo wrote: »

My original point was that they've never ever (I stand to be corrected but I watch all the shows and never once heard mention) alluded to the fact that someone might be half a pound or a pound outside their goal weight with the reason possibly due to having their period. I just think it's weird...

No issue there. Maybe they should mention it and also explain the possible reasons, such as water retention. My point still stands that it's not a concrete reason or excuse for not hitting reasonable targets. It's a weak excuse.

Alf Veedersane

walshb wrote: »

Has this happened?

Simple: I don't see the cycle being a valid enough excuse/reason for not hitting relatively handy targets as regards wight loss. Part of life, dig deep or shut up. I wouldn't slate someone for not hitting their target, but I wouldn't be excusing it and making out that it was down to the time of the month either.

If a woman feels that at every cycle she seems to not lose weight (that she really really wants to lose) and seems to think that water retention is a factor, then change her strategy.

Same sort excuse is used when someone gives up cigs. Oh, I'll put on weight. No, not if you don't want to and do something about it.

They're castigated for not meeting targets.

I have no idea if anyone hasn't met a target because of water retention alone so I don't know the answer to that.

If they eat healthily and maintain an exercise regime, there shouldn't be a need to stop drinking water because for a few days it will bump up the number on the scales.

Ososlo

walshb wrote: »

No issue there. Maybe they should mention it and also explain the possible reasons, such as water retention. My point still stands that it's not a concrete reason or excuse for not hitting reasonable targets. It's a weak excuse.

Sad fact is that the subject is still seen as taboo which is so childish and ridiculous in this day and age.

walshb

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

They're castigated for not meeting targets.

I have no idea if anyone hasn't met a target because of water retention alone so I don't know the answer to that.

If they eat healthily and maintain an exercise regime, there shouldn't be a need to stop drinking water because for a few days it will bump up the number on the scales.

Who said stop drinking water? If the person feels that water retention may effect them at a certain time of the month, then make changes to combat this.

There could be many reasons for them not losing weight, but to lose 1 lb in a week no matter what the week had is pretty poor for someone who has the weight to lose. There is no excuse other than they didn't try hard enough for that week.

Alf Veedersane

walshb wrote: »

Who said stop drinking water? If the person feels that water retention may effect them at a certain time of the month, then make changes to combat this.

There could be many reasons for them not losing weight, but to lose 1 lb in a week no matter what the week had is pretty poor for someone who has the weight to lose. There is no excuse other than they didn't try hard enough for that week.

I didn't mean go dry. Just stop drinking as much.

I'm not talking about any particular candidate on the show. It's a general point linked to the 'experts' tendency to give out rather than try to find out why they didn't lose more. The 'you didn't work hard enough/your diet wasn't perfect' is a default answer too often.

You lost 5 pounds and not 6? Eat better/work harder.

That's all.

Ososlo

walshb wrote: »

Who said stop drinking water? If the person feels that water retention may effect them at a certain time of the month, then make changes to combat this.

There could be many reasons for them not losing weight, but to lose 1 lb in a week no matter what the week had is pretty poor for someone who has the weight to lose. There is no excuse other than they didn't try hard enough for that week.

I do think that if you chose to go on the programme and put yourself out there like that on display that you should do everything in your power to achieve your goal. If that means eating less during your period then yes you should do that to save face as the dietician/doc/trainer etc obviously accept no excuses. They know all this before they enter into the show. The laziness of some of the leaders is astounding.

walshb

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I didn't mean go dry. Just stop drinking as much.

I'm not talking about any particular candidate on the show. It's a general point linked to the 'experts' tendency to give out rather than try to find out why they didn't lose more. The 'you didn't work hard enough/your diet wasn't perfect' is a default answer too often.

You lost 5 pounds and not 6? Eat better/work harder.

That's all.

I would agree that quibbling over 1 lb out of 5 or 6 is bad. But if your target is say 3/4 lbs over 7 days and you have it to lose then not hitting 3 lbs is weak.

Finding out why they didn't lose the weight should be simple: No need to delve too far. You didn't try hard enough is probably the answer. But yes, maybe a little more prodding to find out.

I'd like to hear them speak about night snacking and getting to bed early and sleeping off their cravings and hunger. How many of us have went to bed an felt an real urge to eat, and spent the night tossing and turning and dreaming about the big feast we'll have in the morning only to wake up and feel fine, with no real hunger on us

Alf Veedersane

walshb wrote: »

I would agree that quibbling over 1 lb out of 5 or 6 is bad. But if your target is say 3/4 lbs over 7 days and you have it to lose then not hitting 3 lbs is weak.

Finding out why they didn't lose the weight should be simple: No need to delve too far. You didn't try hard enough is probably the answer. But yes, maybe a little more prodding to find out.

I'd like to hear them speak about night snacking and getting to bed early and sleeping off their cravings and hunger. How many of us have went to bed an felt a real urge to eat, and spent the night tossing and turning and dreaming about the big feast we'll have in the morning only to wake up and feel fine, with no real hunger on us

It's too black and white and the giving out regardless isn't always helpful.

Can't say I've ever tossed and turned because I've not had a snack late at night though.

walshb

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

It's too black and white and the giving out regardless isn't always helpful.

Can't say I've ever tossed and turned because I've not had a snack late at night though.

Never lay in bed and had the munchies and the need to get up and snack? I have. Then I'd either get up and eat food that I didn't really need, or sleep it off to be grand the next morning and the so called hunger gone, or back to normal. It's a very important part of weight loss, when to stop ingesting. Pick a time and try to stick to it. Say 1900 hrs is your last meal/drink, and in bed before 10. So many people add the lbs during times when they should be preparing to wind down and go to bed. Boredom plays a part bin this.

Alf Veedersane

walshb wrote: »

Never lay in bed and had the munchies and the need to get up and snack?

No. I'd have to go downstairs.

I'm in bed because I'm tired and I'm staying because I'm lazy.*



*Not right now

kunst nugget

walshb wrote: »

Never lay in bed and had the munchies and the need to get up and snack? I have. Then I'd either get up and eat food that I didn't really need, or sleep it off to be grand the next morning and the so called hunger gone, or back to normal. It's a very important part of weight loss, when to stop ingesting. Pick a time and try to stick to it. Say 1900 hrs is your last meal/drink, and in bed before 10. So many people add the lbs during times when they should be preparing to wind down and go to bed. Boredom plays a part bin this.

Can't say I've ever gotten out of bed to have food. Is it a common thing with people?

Ososlo

kunst nugget wrote: »

Can't say I've ever gotten out of bed to have food. Is it a common thing with people?

My mum was bulimic and did that for years. I wouldn't have thought one would do that unless one had an eating disorder.

walshb

kunst nugget wrote: »

Can't say I've ever gotten out of bed to have food. Is it a common thing with people?

I would have thought that it was very common (as in many people have experienced it), and probably a lot more common with people who struggle with food and their weight.

Not saying it would happen with me every few nights. Once in a while I would maybe get the urge. Sometimes I'd act, most times I'd sleep off the craving.

Alf Veedersane

Ososlo wrote: »

My mum was bulimic and did that for years. I wouldn't have thought one would do that unless one had an eating disorder.

And even then...

LuckyLloyd

Gits_bone wrote: »

I wonder if you the contestants were asked after the series did they feel bad? If so did it help them lose more or make them lose interest?

Did you see the article about the fat chef who got messages from a friend every day for 6 weeks calling him a "fat f**k"? Drove him to lose all the weight.

What I saw the other night when I watched it (the weigh in episode) was two contestants (the nice older man making good progress and the girl with the medical condition from Ballyfermot) under a huge amount of stress and strain. The former has admitted that he's been down this road many times before and lost a ton of weight only to put it all back on again. At the same time he said he was finding it all a monumental effort, and struggling to balance the effort of diet and exercise with his job and family.

Where are those cases going?

Short term this works for many people, no doubt. But this is not about a weekly weigh in or a 10 week tv show. It is about the rest of these people's lives. Making people feel bad and putting them in the fish tank to illicit a short term reaction will work...short term.

JJayoo

walshb wrote: »

Never lay in bed and had the munchies and the need to get up and snack? I have. Then I'd either get up and eat food that I didn't really need, or sleep it off to be grand the next morning and the so called hunger gone, or back to normal. It's a very important part of weight loss, when to stop ingesting. Pick a time and try to stick to it. Say 1900 hrs is your last meal/drink, and in bed before 10. So many people add the lbs during times when they should be preparing to wind down and go to bed. Boredom plays a part bin this.

What happens if you don't have the junk food in your house? how many times have you had these cravings and satisfied them by getting out of bed and going to the shop to buy the food?

walshb

JJayoo wrote: »

What happens if you don't have the junk food in your house? how many times have you had these cravings and satisfied them by getting out of bed and going to the shop to buy the food?

Who mentioned "junk" food?

Mellor

walshb wrote: »

Yes, so it's still in the control of the person. There are so many people out there ingesting far too much liquids based off the general advice that we need two litres of water a day. They ingest two litres as well as there 5-6 cups of tea and their water from food. They are ingesting when not remotely thirsty or in need. This is all controllable.

Retaining water isn't caused by ingesting too much water. If you body wants to retain water, it can just take it from a regular intake, it doesn't need an "extra" litre to be drank.
Water retention is caused by salt, hormones, or similar.
Drinking extra water just makes you pee more.

Or actually, drinking a lot of excess water flushes out your system and made you release water. I dropped 5kg (of water weight) in 6 days by drinking water constantly.

Blacktie.

Mellor wrote: »

Or actually, drinking a lot of excess water flushes out your system and made you release water. I dropped 5kg (of water weight) in 6 days by drinking water constantly.

But wasn't this after specifically modifying water and salt levels so that you would just pi$$ it all out.

Mellor

Blacktie. wrote: »

But wasn't this after specifically modifying water and salt levels so that you would just pi$$ it all out.

I hadn't manipulated them before that, that was how I flushed out salts. Started at 6 litres a day, tapered down. Constant bathroom breaks.
When it came time to put it back, I drank 4 litres of fluid over a few hours and didnt go once. Sponge.

My point is that water retention/reduction isn't caused by drinking too much. It's caused by glycogen levels, salts, creatine, swelling, long haul flights, and as mentioned above, hormones.

FWIW, I agree with walshb in some regards, it means nothing for people trying to lose weight who aren't in a tv show. It doesn't affect actual fat loss. And if it does mask the number one week, it'll repay it the following week when the water goes.

Transform

1. the overall problem is that the leaders are picked without the involvement of ANY of the 'experts'. They're picked because they represent a certain demographic and a chance that they could be 'good for tv'

ive done shows like this before and promised myself i would NEVER do it again (would if i was given total control) because they're were too many people involved throwing in their 2 cents and i always felt the lack of appreciation by the participant for what they got simply because it was all for free (i was paid bugger all for my work with the participant).

2. No one and i mean no one ever got fat on drinking too much water or tea.

3. people will largely gravitate towards the level they are shown or are surrounded with i.e. if you were to go to a weight watchers class (this is essentially a live WW show with a weekly weight in) vs training in a gym/facility that offered properly structured training (emphasis on mobility and strength as foundation and running/jogging takes a massive back seat), solid nutrition advice and among plenty of people that are already in good shape and are supportive of the beginner, then i guarantee the participant would up their game big time. Its the job of the trainer to make them comfortable in that situation. This is documented in this book surrounding yourself with overweight people that struggle to drop the fat and make their excuses week on week might not be the best approach to fat loss.

People watch that show and often think "i'm bad but at least im not that bad" and continue their doward slide towards ill health and obesity.

4. readers and viewers expectation of adherence is funny. Progress and lasting success is not for everyone and unfortunately you cant save everyone. Ive learned a long time ago that you give your pint of blood and its up to the client to give theirs.

5. whats the outcome of it all?
Did they learn how to perform basic mobility work to prevent and spot possible injuries early?
Learn how to cook?
Learn the importance of strength over fitness?
Can they now squat, hip hinge, pressup etc safely so they can do these movements in day to day activities?

The show has a massive opportunity to drill some basic points for people to work on yet for me it massively misses the mark unfortunately.

there is more agreement in this thread than disagreement on the basic points

nice_guy80

If most people learned how to shop properly - put the bottle of coke down and, do you need all that bread?

And then how to prepare/cook healthy meals they would probably lose weight on a more sustainable basis than going out plodding the paths of Ireland jogging

Transform

nice_guy80 wrote: »

If most people learned how to shop properly - put the bottle of coke down and, do you need all that bread?

And then how to prepare/cook healthy meals they would probably lose weight on a more sustainable basis than going out plodding the paths of Ireland jogging

Fact!

JJayoo

walshb wrote: »

Who mentioned "junk" food?

I assumed you were taking about quick convenient junk food since you mentioned snack and munchies in the post I originally quoted. What exactly are you eating when you get up in the night?

JJayoo

Have the participants from previous years managed to keep the weight off and increase their weight?

Spookyspook

They walk in large packs and get in my way

sh1tstirrer

JJayoo wrote: »

Have the participants from previous years managed to keep the weight off and increase their weight?

Very few, if they did rte would be parading them at the start of every new series. They had a few on this year and anyone that didn't keep up the weight loss were only shown from the neck up.