overtraining, how to correct it?

Kaisr Sose

Amprodude wrote: »

I would rather go up on merit then going up at my own accord. If I can't get out of A4 then I have no business up in A3. That's my theory.

That's obvious. Is ther anything else going on in your life? Work?

The broken sleep is a killer and can lead to all manner of problems even for those not putting in any efforts.

At this stage you need to act like you have a chest infection and take the time to recover. One week minimum. Then, depending on how you feel, you resume moderate exercise. Moderate meaning pace, distance, terrain and frequency.

Do you take resting HR in the morning? Is it normal or elvated? You need to get to know what your body is saying and not let your mind over rule that. Also, learn the terms. Aerobic is at the opposite end to Max effort. One is pleasant the other is painful. Road cycling is an aerobic sport with anaerobic demands.

Remember, its a long season, and many that are not flying when the weather is bad are when its good.

I rode the Ras one year after being off the bike for most of April. I was sick. I made the decision to ride it only a week before and the opening stage was the 1st race I had done in weeks. During that time I recovered from illness, resumed training and built up to the event. So relax, its nowhere near too late to build a base and then build on that.

The old motto when you are straining you are not training is still relevant.

Amprodude

JK.BMC wrote: »

I've been following this thread and I'm on the verge of wondering what the OP will learn from even more 'advice' being tendered at this stage.

Holy bejeezus OP, I just hope you don't get a puncture in the Lacey Cup. And that you know where the finish line is. And pin on your number correctly. And sign-on in good time. That's about as much as I would say.

In fairness i did admit what I was doing training wise wasn't right. I never said I was going to walk the racing season. I'm just having a big problem with my training. OK I have got it wrong but I want just to talk what I'm doing amongs many knowledgeable cyclists on here and I try to take a few pointers on board and make few changes. I won't say I will win the Lacey Cup I won't but I will make a good effort myself and I want to be happy with that effort. No crime in that I would hope?

JK.BMC

Amprodude wrote: »

In fairness i did admit what I was doing training wise wasn't right. I never said I was going to walk the racing season. I'm just having a big problem with my training. OK I have got it wrong but I want just to talk what I'm doing amongs many knowledgeable cyclists on here and I try to take a few pointers on board and make few changes. I won't say I will win the Lacey Cup I won't but I will make a good effort myself and I want to be happy with that effort. No crime in that I would hope?

No crime at all. Just a dose of paralysis by analysis. Winning races in A4 probably involves more than training like you do. Talk to a coach (x100) and good luck.

Amprodude

JK.BMC wrote: »

No crime at all. Just a dose of paralysis by analysis. Winning races in A4 probably involves more than training like you do. Talk to a coach (x100) and good luck.

It does alright. I never won a A4 race but wasn't too far off in 2-3 races last year so a coach should guide me alot better for starters as suggested by many here.

wexandproud

Amprodude wrote: »

When you mean aerobic base is that not being able to sustain Max heart rate effort over a long period?

with all due respect , if this is the limit of your knowledge of training you need to talk to someone . i would not charge out and get a coach just yet. have a word with an experienced guy in you club , explain you problem.. Make a decision on what to do and run with it for 6 or 8 weeks and see if it works for you or not then you can change it a bit as necessary ..There is a lot of info out there about training some good an awful lot bad. Dont take a load of info from different guys and play mix and match , make a plan and give it time you will do ok. Most of all ENJOY dont get to downhearted after all its only a passtime with most of us

Lusk_Doyle

Amprodude wrote: »

They would still kick my a$$ if I was to compete against them.

So?

Amprodude

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

So?

Only saying.

Lusk_Doyle

Amprodude wrote: »

Only saying.

Why though? It strikes me from reading that comment, this thread and your other recent one re people bad mouthing you behind your back as though you have an issue with an appearance of your own inferiority to other riders. Am I off the mark here?

Unknown Soldier

Enjoy cycling again? Its a nice sport, with benefits.

Beasty

Inquitus wrote: »

Beasty should he not be stripped of some points for the TT's predating the nationals?

He should certainly have been stripped of some of those TT places in the Swords League as one guy who would probably have gone faster than him in the flat ones was out injured all season....

Of course he's realised that his chances in 2015 would have diminished so he's jumped ship :pac:

cheerspal

overtraining, how to correct it?

Train less. Rest when you are tired. Easy.

Juan More Time

Yes it seems you are almost definitely burned out!

Firstly you need to establish why your body was incapable of absorbing the volume and intensity of your current training plan. <snip>
1. Go to your GP <snip>

Kaisr Sose

Out of curiosity, what will a VO2 Max test do other than determine the aerobic capacity?
I had these done and recorded 69 and another at 73. I was healthy both times, just fitter for the latter.

Its a useful bench mark but a one off VO2 test wont establish illness because there is nothijg to bench mark to. Also, fitness is not a sign of good health. There is a fine line between extreme fitness and illness. I was there all too often :-)

To the OP, being too obsessed with being fit for the first race is a bit short sighted. A better goal for you would be peaking for Easter races which means using early racing also as hard training.

Beasty

Guys

Can we avoid moving into areas that may be construed as possible medical diagnosis/advice

You may recommend a visit to a doctor, but do not start mentioning possible underlying medical issues

Thanks

CramCycle

Amprodude wrote: »

I would rather go up on merit then going up at my own accord. If I can't get out of A4 then I have no business up in A3. That's my theory.

I was joking, its quite clear you want to go up on merit, I wanted longer races, if they offered the distance at A4 I would have stayed. I don't think I will ever have higher hopes than finishing in the bunch but I did love driving off the front and trying to break it up. Done it in Kerry and strung out the bunch for a good few km. Ended up getting a puncture near the end and hopping off the bike and running to the finish so I wasn't the last man back, my team were laughing their asses off at me.

I may not be a winner but I am competitive.

pprendeville

Having a plan down on paper helps avoid overtraining or at least it will help you know when you might be overreaching and when it's time to step back maybe. As volume and intensity increase your chances of overreaching also increase. Week 14 in January might be an example where you would probably want to be watching out for signs of burnout. Hours have increased (albeit gradually), you've been doing resistance training and are in your 3rd eek of power training. So all that adds up.

You can download a Cycling Annual Training Plan here as well which is helpful for your racing year overall.

Esroh

Op

You have what I call 'I'm not a 2nd Season A4 Syndrome'. The Main cause of this is . I won points early but not enough to get out of A4 due to unforeseen circumstances. Now I need to push myself harder than I did last season to get those points I need and recovery is not part of the plan.

There is also a Sportive rider version of this. Last year he was hanging on and got dropped as the group upped the pace over the last 10km on the 80km route. This season he wants to win the 160km. He always finds a way of going out with the racers as the strongest leisure group is only averaging 26/27 kmph


You say earlier you were off the bike for 5 months prior to Sept. If my maths are correct you got your 5 points in March. You must have done something correct 2013/14 winter. You should look back at your records. If you didn't write it down but use strava or garmin connect its up there on the web.

Everyone is different. Stop looking at your clubmates as people you must beat on every spin or put in extra miles or hours on the turbo than. They have been where you are so learn from them

Quicktwo

Happened me last year, trained all winter, 250k a week and peaked when i did a 100k spin in 3hr 3min, then put the bike away. I burned out and haven't been out since last september. Its a vicious circle (for me anyway). Its supposed to be fun and enjoyable, but its only fun and enjoyable when your riding in a group at 35kph and you can't wait to take your turn up front. But to keep that level of fitness takes training, commitment and time. At this level you risk losing the fun, and when you lose that, you need to step back and see what you really want from it.
I stepped back, and haven't stepped back up yet, i don't know what I want yet,
Anyways, there will always be someone in front of you.