Staffie dog hogtied and cooked alive over a fire at The Curragh

Venus In Furs

puppieperson wrote: »

cant & wont release them as some twisted half bred would try to inflict inane cruelty on them they are safe and loved with me..

Strange. You said you don't deserve them.

I think you should revise the auld "we" misuse there. "We" are not all responsible for a bunch of degenerates.
The responsibility of the rest of us is to do what we can to prevent animal abuse, and to take care of animals that are entrusted to us/whom we can rescue.
If we don't manage to prevent a bunch of lowlives abusing animals despite doing our best, it is not "our" collective fault - it is the scum's fault. Shifting blame from its correct place does these animals no good, and dilutes the responsibility of the scum who have actually carried out the acts.

DeadHand

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'd happily put my dog above all of you. You're strangers to me, my dog isn't.

Rough order of my priorities come crunch time would be wife-family-friends-dog-everyone else

Moronic statements.

puppieperson

sorry didn't intend to offend just blood boiling about this latest cruelty isn't yours?

Ave Sodalis

saywhatyousee wrote: »

You said in the post above humans are not superior

They aren't, to me.

BBJBIG

The whole place is out of control - thanks to the loikes of the Politicians, Bankers, Builders, Developers, Clergy.
To name but a few. And not one of those Kunts in Jail.

As a result - "the Divil finds work for Idle Hands".

I say bring back the Rope. And bring on the Birch.
The scum that did that to a little Dog need to be flogged in Public with the Birch.

And as for the Traitors who brought this cuntry to its knees - a very Tall tree and a very Short Rope ...

Littlekittylou

Roquentin wrote: »

i really think we should have designated animal welfare officers that would deal with the welfare of animals. the garda are too busy dealing with us to deal with animals.

Well there are.


But what you see on the TV is very different to what you will experience here in Ireland The laws are petty compared to USA law, they make it look easy. The law is basically non-existint, prosecution depends on the Gardai and the judge on the day etc pp.

Regarding SPCA inspectors. Most are with FAS and most havent got a clue. Sorry but it's what i have seen.Field officers and all the staff are just people on the dole with a CE scheme.


I started volunteering a few years ago and two of the people I started with became officers. Volunteering is the only way to get your foot in the door as regards animal welfare officer but its not garunteed and only after years. Fas people or those on the dole have a better chance. There is no real way if you want to change career or go from school.

Also it has to be said it is a VERY tough job. They encounter very dangerous violent people and have very little protection. I know it can be very emotional work. They see horrible things.

Forget what you see on TV they are American shows the laws here are quite frankly crap.

zoe 3619

Each day the internet comes up with something new to sicken me more.it wasn't just an animal dying,it was slow premeditated torture.that dog died pretty much the worst death imaginable,and some cnut saw it as entertainment.

Littlekittylou

puppieperson wrote: »

" garda dont give a **** about animals i reported a dog tied up to the gardai they said he was fine and not to interfere the people were dodgy that dog he died tied up 4 years later he had a rusty barrel for a kennel and was always matted and dirty they said he was fine.......what would they know too busy selling drugs and passing info to other criminals.....

It's not that it's that the laws here in comparison to places like the US are very weak.

BBJBIG

Littlekittylou wrote: »

It's not that it's that the laws here in comparison to places like the US are very weak.

Like I said :-

Rope n Birch :mad:

Rubberchikken

I see headlines like this and my faith in humanity depletes even further.

Horrible horrible people to hurt a dog.

Sunnyisland

zoe 3619 wrote: »

Each day the internet comes up with something new to sicken me more.it wasn't just an animal dying,it was slow premeditated torture.that dog died pretty much the worst death imaginable,and some cnut saw it as entertainment.

From rte news website,

A volunteer with Kildare and West Wicklow Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals has said reports regarding the discovery of a dog in Kildare are not accurate and had been misinterpreted.

Earlier reports said the dog died after being apparently cooked alive over a fire at the Curragh.

The volunteer, who was called out to the animal last Monday morning, said there was nothing to suggest the dog was set on fire.



She said he was not hog-tied and it was not true to say he was roasted on a spit.

The dog was found in a bad condition and badly injured on an area of charred rubbish, she asid.

He had scorch marks on his ankles. He may have died of malnutrition, she said, but they did not know the cause of death.

The volunteer said his fur was not burnt off, but some of it had been singed.

There were no third degree burns on his body, she said.

She said that the vet involved did not say he was "cooked" but that he may have had possible heat injuries.

There were indents on his two front legs from scorching and it seemed there was evidence that his two front paws had been tied, but she said the dog's paws were not tied when they found him.

The volunteer confirmed that the dog was alive when found, but she says the reports about the dog were misinterpreted.

puppieperson

thanks or the info it doesn't make me feel any better another poor defenceless animal left to starve. maybe he got singed trying to retrieve some food from the burning rubbish

Deluded Oreo

You really know the art of trolling is down the drain when you have overweight neckbeards having a go at "animal lovers".

It's statistically proven those who torture dogs are likely future serial killers that's the worrying issue.

aido76

RTE news saying some reports of dog being cooked alive not accurate

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0129/676495-dog-fire-kildare/

candy-gal1

FFS!!!
Its stories like this that really makes me weep for mankind, or want to kill the ones that do these things or find it funny, must have feck all else in there lives!!

conorh91

I knew there was something dodgy about this story as I said on the first page of this thread.

More shoddy "journalism" from the Journal. You can't trust anything you read on there.

Littlekittylou

BBJBIG wrote: »

Like I said :-

Rope n Birch :mad:

That is hardly going to make us a more civilized society.

I understand the emotions etc.

But really I would like to see lifetime bans on own any animal on a first offense.

I would like the guards to be able to really affect the lives of those who do this. For instance if they could take away the license of someone who did this as well as a lifetime ban on owning any animals plus a fine. And I mean a reasonable fine.

In 2013 poacher illegally killed 8 deer and got a measly 400 euro fine each. They were already licensed deer stalkers and would have known the rules better than a non licensed deer stalker. They were shot under the hrs of darkness and under the hours of darkness deer are completely protected by law even wild deer. Partially because shooting in the dark is bloody stupid anyway.

They had valid firearms certs but decided it was a good idea to go out in the dark and shoot moving things. Yeah that is the type of people you are dealing with. They should have lost there rifles and the car they were driving. And also should never be allowed to hunt or own a gun in future. There could have easily been an accident involving a person in the dark. Or a different species of animal.

They should have had those guns taken and a ban on owning others in the future at least.

Littlekittylou

conorh91 wrote: »

I knew there was something dodgy about this story as I said on the first page of this thread.

More shoddy "journalism" from the Journal. You can't trust anything you read on there.

It should have been more accurate absolutely.

But the dog has since died. Nothing can be more sad. They did not need to sensationalize anything. The poor dog is dead now.

conorh91

Littlekittylou wrote: »

They did not need to sensationalize anything.

Of course they didn't need to. But they did sensationalize it.

Headline: This Staffie dog was hogtied and cooked alive over a fire...

There was no evidence. Pure sensationalism

Sofiztikated

BBJBIG wrote: »

The whole place is out of control - thanks to the loikes of the Politicians, Bankers, Builders, Developers, Clergy.
To name but a few. And not one of those Kunts in Jail.

As a result - "the Divil finds work for Idle Hands".

I say bring back the Rope. And bring on the Birch.
The scum that did that to a little Dog need to be flogged in Public with the Birch.

And as for the Traitors who brought this cuntry to its knees - a very Tall tree and a very Short Rope ...

What, please explain for me, does this have to do with the topic at hand?

Littlekittylou

conorh91 wrote: »

Of course they didn't need to. But they did sensationalize it.

Headline: This Staffie dog was hogtied and cooked alive over a fire...

There was no evidence. Pure sensationalism

I notice that nobody even put their name to the article. I wouldn't either, if I'd written that nonsense.

I agree it is sad that they use the real tragedy of a dog dying from abuse to concoct a fictional story for the shock value.

It's sad they thought dog dies was not bad enough. They had to spoof and that in the end has detracted from the real story. It is journalism in reverse.

And now the real story and who did this is overshadowed.

conorh91

I was searching for the dog burned alive article when I found this bizarrely similar article by The Journal. You'd have to wonder if this is another concoction. Maybe the horse was dead when it was burned? How can anybody tell by looking at a burned horse whether it died naturally and was semi-cremated, or burned alive?

http://www.thejournal.ie/horse-set-on-fire-1196968-Nov2013/

A HORSE HAS died from extensive injuries after it was doused with petrol and set alight in Dublin last night...

The DSPCA inspectors at the scene said that it was evident that the horse had been alive when it was set alight...

The charity say that this is one of the most horrific incidents their inspectors have ever witnessed.

EDIT:

Yep, the above story was also a fake
http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1129/490023-horse-death/

So in the past 14 months, The Journal has seemingly concocted two separate articles about animals being burned alive.

Click-bait.

Sick click-bait.

Foxhound38

Reoil wrote: »

Why people would have such ugly, ugly dogs is beyond me.

Doesn't seem all that ugly to me, not that it matters in a case of extreme cruelty like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVry6-ZRKPU

DamagedTrax

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Doesn't seem all that ugly to me, not that it matters in a case of extreme cruelty like this

here's my little one. proper ugly baby killer isnt she! :eek:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/rhythmtech/IMG159-01.jpg

ChunkyLover54

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

So have you evidence the story or parts of it are not true?

Now I'm going to take a wild guess that you don't.

Also it has been reported elsewhere as well and the facts are as stated on the Journal and Gardai are also investigating.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0129/676495-dog-fire-kildare/

ChunkyLover54

puppieperson wrote: »

I love animals and especially my own, I dont believe we deserve them anymore the level of twisted cruelty visible every day in this small country and worldwide is so upsetting to read about. The way we treat our animals is indicative of the kind of society we are.

I am sad to say we are a degenerative and vicious vile people breeding half bred horrible humans who think this is a fun thing to do on a wintery weekend roasting an unwanted dog more than likely someones companion or pet. Another hate crime will go unpunished in Ireland. I am sad to say it but the species who become extinct every other day are free of us and are the lucky ones we do not deserve animals.

A load of misanthropic bull plop.

Dan_Solo

893bet wrote: »

Sounds like bull**** story. He would have been put down immediately.

From journal to boards, the well worn path of verifiable factual reporting.

Dan_Solo

Deluded Oreo wrote: »

You really know the art of trolling is down the drain when you have overweight neckbeards having a go at "animal lovers".

It's statistically proven those who torture dogs are likely future serial killers that's the worrying issue.

Show us this proof please.
I think you're trying and failing to say "more likely"?

DamagedTrax

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Show us this proof please.
I think you're trying and failing to say "more likely"?

im not trying to provide proof here. i know that cant be proven. but here's some interesting numbers to look at.

Prof. Frank Ascione at the University of Denver and Prof. Arnold Arluke at Northeastern University estimate that one in four children and adolescents with conduct disorder have abused animals. Children who have been physically abused and exposed to domestic violence are at even higher risk. In an assessment of 1433 children ages 6 to 12, Ascione found that among abused children, 60% had abused animals.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/why-the-wild-things-are/201302/do-mass-killers-start-out-harming-pets

Omackeral

BBJBIG wrote: »

The whole place is out of control - thanks to the loikes of the Politicians, Bankers, Builders, Developers, Clergy.
To name but a few. And not one of those Kunts in Jail.

As a result - "the Divil finds work for Idle Hands".

I say bring back the Rope. And bring on the Birch.
The scum that did that to a little Dog need to be flogged in Public with the Birch.

And as for the Traitors who brought this cuntry to its knees - a very Tall tree and a very Short Rope ...

Thread has jumped the shark. Some rant all the same.

kupus

but but but, think of the feelings of the guys that done this.
they need hugs and kisses and not more jail time, blah blah blah. :rolly eyes)

Foxhound38

DamagedTrax wrote: »

here's my little one. proper ugly baby killer isnt she! :eek:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/rhythmtech/IMG159-01.jpg

Looks like a goreous aul mite!

currently a 3000 reward for information leading to an arrest. I am sure thats going to grow.

DamagedTrax

Deleted User wrote: »

currently a 3000 reward for information leading to an arrest. I am sure thats going to grow.

hopefully their little scummy mates will rat them out. nothing like a wedge of cash to get little durtbag tongues wagging.

Littlekittylou

DamagedTrax wrote: »

here's my little one. proper ugly baby killer isnt she! :eek:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/rhythmtech/IMG159-01.jpg

OMG she is gorgeous!:P

DamagedTrax

Littlekittylou wrote: »

OMG she is gorgeous!:P

not according to some

Reoil wrote: »

Why people would have such ugly, ugly dogs is beyond me.

why people have such ugly, ugly thoughts is a much more pertenent question.

conorh91

Deleted User wrote: »

currently a 3000 reward for information leading to an arrest. I am sure thats going to grow.

DamagedTrax wrote: »

hopefully their little scummy mates will rat them out. nothing like a wedge of cash to get little durtbag tongues wagging.

The 'burned-alive dog' story is a fake, read the previous page or so.

DamagedTrax

conorh91 wrote: »

The 'burned-alive dog' story is a fake, read the previous page or so.

its not a fake. the journal may have used artistic license on the actual details but the incident happened.

http://www.kfmradio.com/news/29012015-1707/reward-offered-info-dog-burned-alive-curragh

also the kwwspca, the crowd that took him in have the full story on their facebook.

also, one of the girls involved is also involved with a staffy/pit bull group that im involved with and had the same story (or it was relayed thru a friend of hers. ill have to double check my facts on this one).

the vet never claimed he was 'burned alive' but that with the heat, the organs would have slowly heated to the point of failure.

somtimes the source is the best place to find the truth.

hatrickpatrick

Roquentin wrote: »

the sad thing is the garda wont do anything

The sad thing is they might, but any time and effort they put into catching the little f*ckers would immediately be wasted as soon as a judge gave them a poxy suspended sentence.

If things like this aren't properly investigated by the Gardai, I would argue that it's almost solely likely to be the result of them having to see so much hard work go down the toilet when a judge decides that punishing criminals isn't what courts in Ireland are for. :mad:

Strazdas

Anyone who can do something disgusting like this is disturbed and evil. They're probably dying to do it to a fellow human being and it's only the law of the land that is preventing them.

BertMark

DamagedTrax wrote: »

its not a fake. the journal may have used artistic license on the actual details but the incident happened.

also the kwwspca, the crowd that took him in have the full story on their facebook.

also, one of the girls involved is also involved with a staffy/pit bull group that im involved with and had the same story (or it was relayed thru a friend of hers. ill have to double check my facts on this one).

the vet never claimed he was 'burned alive' but that with the heat, the organs would have slowly heated to the point of failure.

somtimes the source is the best place to find the truth.

It's not a fake but it is almost certainly an exaggeration. RTE have spoken with a volunteer at the kwwspca who said it was not as bad as made out and the dog wasn't cooked or heated, or whatever way you want to put it. The dog was horrifically mistreated but wasn't tied up and cooked over a fire. A Facebook page isn't really the most reliable source.

DamagedTrax

BertMark wrote: »

It's not a fake but it is almost certainly an exaggeration. RTE have spoken with a volunteer at the kwwspca who said it was not as bad as made out and the dog wasn't cooked or heated, or whatever way you want to put it. The dog was horrifically mistreated but wasn't tied up and cooked over a fire. A Facebook page isn't really the most reliable source.

thats what KWWSPCA claim on their own page. quoting the vet.

The vets said his organs had slowly cooked and over time failed.

if the kwwspca misquoted the vet or lied, im sure it will come out in the wash.

smash

aido76 wrote: »

RTE news saying some reports of dog being cooked alive not accurate

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0129/676495-dog-fire-kildare/

I knew it. As someone else said, it was just clickbait.

Decuc500

smash wrote: »

I knew it. As someone else said, it was just clickbait.

The original story may have been exaggerated but the dog was still horrifically mistreated.
No need to feel so vindicated.:rolleyes:

smash

Decuc500 wrote: »

The original story may have been exaggerated but the dog was still horrifically mistreated.
No need to feel so vindicated.:rolleyes:

Like I said before, I hate animal cruelty but there is zero evidence regarding the treatment or mistreatment of the dog. It's all just a connect the dots story and most of the details given previously were completely wrong.

DamagedTrax

smash wrote: »

Like I said before, I hate animal cruelty but there is zero evidence regarding the treatment or mistreatment of the dog. It's all just a connect the dots story and most of the details given previously were completely wrong.

all it takes is a look at the kwwspca page to get the right story, its been up there since before the journal one.

smash

DamagedTrax wrote: »

all it takes is a look at the kwwspca page to get the right story, its been up there since before the journal one.

And it's not true either.

The kwwspca page said:

Tony, the vet who little Tony was named for, told us that they had cleaned his body in a special fluid and what was originally though to be dirt on him was in fact soot from a fire. The marks on his paws which also looked like dirt were actually the charred remains of whatever was used to hog tie him and hang him over a low burning fire. Laura and Aisling who picked him up remembered there had been the scorch marks of a fire near where he was found.

The RTE article said:

The volunteer, who was called out to the animal last Monday morning, said there was nothing to suggest the dog was set on fire.

She said he was not hog-tied and it was not true to say he was roasted on a spit.

The volunteer said his fur was not burnt off, but some of it had been singed.

There were no third degree burns on his body, she said.

She said that the vet involved did not say he was "cooked" but that he may have had possible heat injuries.

DamagedTrax

smash wrote: »

And it's not true either.

The RTE article said:

this is what the kwwspca said

Tony, the vet who little Tony was named for, told us that they had cleaned his body in a special fluid and what was originally though to be dirt on him was in fact soot from a fire. The marks on his paws which also looked like dirt were actually the charred remains of whatever was used to hog tie him and hang him over a low burning fire

as i said earlier, maybe the vet lied to them, or maybe they lied themselves. an rte report by an unnamed volunteer isnt proof against, it just means that somebody, the rescue, the vet or the volunteer is lying.

personally i'd be inclined to go with what they posted on their page. that the info they used came from the vet. im sure they'll have a statement to make anyway as people are asking for the facts on their page already this morning.

Tony EH

lazza14 wrote: »

That had me welling up - absolute savagery ... what kind of mind does this ?

One that's emotionally and empathically detached from the pain it wishes to cause.

In many studies of killers, who calculated their action(s), it's been found that a great number of them first practiced their "art" on animals. But, not just any animals, they were animals that could vocalise their terror and pain, such as dogs.

Such vocalisations are part of the thrill that the killer achieves with their gruesome activity and a substantial amount of animal torturers and killers go on to "bigger things" like humans. It's the ability to elicit fear and pain that's part of the "control" desire that these people crave.

That's not to say that every person who harms a dog is going to be a serial killer, or a killer of any sort. But, someone who plans and then actively carries out the task of binding a dog and then burning it slowly over a fire, while the said animal is obviously in great and terrible agony is in serious need of a psychiatric evaluation and close monitoring of their future activities for the foreseeable future, if not for life.

Dan_Solo

DamagedTrax wrote: »

im not trying to provide proof here. i know that cant be proven. but here's some interesting numbers to look at.



https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/why-the-wild-things-are/201302/do-mass-killers-start-out-harming-pets

Asked for reference showing mass murder rates, receive reference to "conduct disorders". Mmmmk.