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Rotherham victim says abusers are 'untouchable'

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    #362
    GalwayGuitar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 194 ✭✭GalwayGuitar


    end of the road wrote: »
    no pc from me. as i've said before it doesn't exist. nothing to do with islamophobia. i'm none of that nonsense, bigoted racist or anything
    no pc from me. as i've said before it doesn't exist. nothing to do with islamophobia. islamophobic, bigoted, or racist is something i'm not so i've nothing to worry about

    So how do you argue that political correctness doesn't exist?


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    #363
    little_scamp
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 19 ✭little_scamp


    Henry9 wrote: »
    Jack Straw highlighted it and was accused of Islamaphobia. Julie Bindell wrote about it and was put on an Islamaphobia watch list. There was a documentary produced on Bradford about 2004 which was criticised for being 'insensitive'.
    That's before you get the report into the matter where staff members were told to omit that the men were predominantly Asian, or the person who was sent on 'sensitivity' training for pointing out the racial element to the crimes.
    Or how about this thread were we all have 'an agenda' and are 'anti Muslim' and 'abusing the girls again' for our own nefarious ends.
    Or the accusations of racism and calls for censorship and closing the thread?

    Go back to post #2 in this thread (after deletions)
    .....and cases will continue to be swept under the carpet. Because there are too many interest groups preventing discussion. Anything to deflect. Even in this thread the first page is swipes at everything other than discussion of the abusers and the lack of action by the police.

    if julie bindel finds herself on islamaphobia watch , you know things have gone slightly nutty


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    #364
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    GalwayGuitar wrote: »
    So how do you argue that political correctness doesn't exist?

    He just keeps repeating himself.


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    #365
    Boring username
    Closed Accounts Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Boring username


    You would have to seriously question as this stage if certain posters here are being paid here to maintain a public relations front. They only appear in the same threads constantly, harking the same old tune. Like those cold callers reading the prepared script


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    #366
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    little_scamp wrote: »
    if julie bindel finds herself on islamaphobia watch , you know things have gone slightly nutty

    Or that other feminists aren't doing their job.


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    #367
    Zack Morris
    Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭Zack Morris


    Boring username wrote: »
    You would have to seriously question as this stage if certain posters here are being paid here to maintain a public relations front. They only appear in the same threads constantly, harking the same old tune. Like those cold callers reading the prepared script

    I'm more inclined to question their mental health.


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    #368
    Henry9
    Registered Users Posts: 418 ✭✭Henry9


    Boring username wrote: »
    You would have to seriously question as this stage if certain posters here are being paid here to maintain a public relations front. They only appear in the same threads constantly, harking the same old tune. Like those cold callers reading the prepared script
    Just painted themselves into a corner, leaving themselves nowhere to go.
    Probably no worse than those who show up at the start of the threads full of outrage, throwing around accusations, moving goalposts, then just drift away quietly.


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    #369
    reprise
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    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    Or that other feminists aren't doing their job.

    They're too busy trying to shut down debate here.


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    #370
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    A cutting but apposite comment from the Guido Fawkes blog:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9pwKsGIUAE9dhC.jpg:large

    http://order-order.com/2015/02/12/mrs-danczuk-harman-categorically-did-say-those-words/


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    #371
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Boring username wrote: »
    You would have to seriously question as this stage if certain posters here are being paid here to maintain a public relations front. They only appear in the same threads constantly, harking the same old tune. Like those cold callers reading the prepared script

    I'm pretty sure no poster has denied that there is, or was, a problem in Rotherham and some surrounding areas.

    End of the Road, Nodin, myself and a few others have tried to suggest that the issue might be a little more complicated than a case of "political correctness gone mad!!" For this, we get labelled apologists for child rape at worst or at best people in the payroll of the fearsome all powerful liberal PC axis of Power.


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    #372
    nokia69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭nokia69


    porsche959 wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure no poster has denied that there is, or was, a problem in Rotherham and some surrounding areas.

    its a problem all across the UK, Rotherham is just the tip of the iceberg

    most countries in Europe are seeing similar problems

    the same will happen here soon enough


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    #373
    DeadHand
    Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    porsche959 wrote: »
    End of the Road, Nodin, myself and a few others have tried to suggest that the issue might be a little more complicated than a case of "political correctness gone mad!!" For this, we get labelled apologists for child rape at worst or at best people in the payroll of the fearsome all powerful liberal PC axis of Power.

    And those of us who wish to discuss this issue get labelled racists, bigots, exploiters of the children involved and as having no compassion for the victims.


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    #374
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    nokia69 wrote: »
    its a problem all across the UK

    Given that - believe it or not - there are parts of the UK that have practically no immigrants or non-Europeans at all, I am dubious.

    When were you last in the UK? Genuine question. I spent three weeks in Scotland recently and I didn't see a single headscarf or a hijab. The only Asian or dark-skinned person I encountered was a chap working behind the counter in a kebab-shop in Inverness.

    nokia69 wrote: »
    most countries in Europe are seeing similar problems

    the same will happen here soon enough

    Yeh, I know, riversss of blud and all that.


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    #375
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    DeadHand wrote: »
    And those of us who wish to discuss this issue get labelled racists, bigots, exploiters of the children involved and as having no compassion for the victims.

    What is it that you wish to discuss?

    Do you accept that if someone has a different view, it does not necessarily mean that they are trying to censor or oppress discussion?


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    #376
    nokia69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭nokia69


    porsche959 wrote: »
    What is it that you wish to discuss?

    Do you accept that if someone has a different view, it does not necessarily mean that they are trying to censor or oppress discussion?

    and yet in the post above you insinuate that I'm a racist


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    #377
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    nokia69 wrote: »
    and yet in the post above you insinuate that I'm a racist

    That is not precisely correct, unless you view Enoch Powell as a racist. He always insisted that he was not.

    If you make a claim like 'all of the UK is like this', expect to be challenged on it by people who have seen and can testify that it simply is not so.


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    #378
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    porsche959 wrote: »
    That is not precisely correct, unless you view Enoch Powell as a racist. He always insisted that he was not.

    If you make a claim like 'all of the UK is like this', expect to be challenged on it by people who have seen and can testify that it simply is not so.

    1% of Inverness are Muslim. Maybe they don't work in customer facing roles?
    How many people did you see in total?
    You do the Math!


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    #379
    nokia69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭nokia69


    porsche959 wrote: »
    That is not precisely correct, unless you view Enoch Powell as a racist. He always insisted that he was not.

    If you make a claim like 'all of the UK is like this', expect to be challenged on it by people who have seen and can testify that it simply is not so.

    you are claiming that there is no longer a problem and that it was only in Rotherham and some surrounding areas

    I'm claiming that the problem is much bigger that that and it occurs right across the UK, only one of us can be right, I don't think its you

    you want to link me to Enoch Powell to insinuate that I'm a racist


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    #380
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    nokia69 wrote: »
    its a problem all across the UK, Rotherham is just the tip of the iceberg

    most countries in Europe are seeing similar problems

    the same will happen here soon enough
    it has happened here all ready. all be it asian gangs weren't responsible, not that where the people are from or their herritage matters.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #381
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    nokia69 wrote: »
    you are claiming that there is no longer a problem and that it was only in Rotherham and some surrounding areas

    I claimed nothing of the sort, child abuse is a big problem in society but anyone who thinks it is limited to Muslim gangs is a fool.
    nokia69 wrote: »
    I'm claiming that the problem is much bigger that that and it occurs right across the UK, only one of us can be right, I don't think its you

    When were you last in the UK, maybe some personal testimony of your own experiences would be helpful?


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    reprise
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    porsche959 wrote: »
    A cutting but apposite comment from the Guido Fawkes blog:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9pwKsGIUAE9dhC.jpg:large

    http://order-order.com/2015/02/12/mrs-danczuk-harman-categorically-did-say-those-words/

    What next, youtube comments? Photos of the aurora borealis?


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    #383
    DeadHand
    Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Do you accept that if someone has a different view, it does not necessarily mean that they are trying to censor or oppress discussion?

    Anyone expressing alarm at or simply mentioning the simple fact that the overwhelming bulk of this legion of child rapists are Muslim men of Asian ethnicity have variously been implied to be a racist, a knuckledragger and/or a bigot.

    It hasn't just been differing opinions the personal attacks on this thread from the politically correct/pro-immigration crowd on anyone trying to highlight this child rape has been constant.

    You yourself accused Rob of rule breaking. A totally cheap, unfounded allegation that you swiftly dropped when you were called out on your lies.


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    #384
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    DeadHand wrote: »
    Anyone expressing alarm at or simply mentioning the simple fact that the overwhelming bulk of this legion of child rapists are Muslim men of Asian ethnicity have variously been implied to be a racist, a knuckledragger and/or a bigot.

    It hasn't just been differing opinions the personal attacks on this thread from the politically correct/pro-immigration crowd on anyone trying to highlight this child rape has been constant.

    You yourself accused Rob of rule breaking. A totally cheap, unfounded allegation that you swiftly dropped when you were called out on your lies.

    Your post bears no relation to what I was saying.

    What are you talking about?


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    #385
    DeadHand
    Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Given that - believe it or not - there are parts of the UK that have practically no immigrants or non-Europeans at all, I am dubious.

    When were you last in the UK? Genuine question. I spent three weeks in Scotland recently and I didn't see a single headscarf or a hijab. The only Asian or dark-skinned person I encountered was a chap working behind the counter in a kebab-shop in Inverness.

    You claim it's not a widespread problem yet hark at this...
    RobYourBuilder wrote: »
    That's just in one town. By date of conviction, we have evidence of such exploitation taking place in Keighley (2005 and 2013), Blackpool (2006), Oldham (2007 and 2008), Blackburn (2007, 2008 and 2009), Sheffield (2008), Manchester (2008 and 2013) Skipton (2009), Rochdale (two cases in 2010, one in 2012 and another in 2013), Nelson (2010), Preston (2010) Rotherham (2010) Derby (2010), Telford (2012), Bradford (2012), Ipswich (2013), Birmingham (2013), Oxford (2013), Barking (2013) and Peterborough (2013).

    And, unfortunately, that's probably just the tip of the iceberg.


    Seems like quite a spread to me.

    But never mind! Clearly your weekend in Inverness gives you a greater insight into the issue than the local media in these towns and cities could ever hope to attain.


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    #386
    DeadHand
    Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    Wriggle, wriggle...
    porsche959 wrote: »
    Your post bears no relation to what I was saying.

    What are you talking about?

    Oh, here it is!
    porsche959 wrote: »
    Odd comment from you, wouldn't be surprised if you yourself were behind the odd rash of newly registered accounts that are obsessed with race issues and bang on endlessly about political correctness.

    Do you withdraw that accusation?


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    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    DeadHand wrote: »
    Anyone expressing alarm at or simply mentioning the simple fact that the overwhelming bulk of this legion of child rapists are Muslim men of Asian ethnicity have variously been implied to be a racist, a knuckledragger and/or a bigot.

    It hasn't just been differing opinions the personal attacks on this thread from the politically correct/pro-immigration crowd on anyone trying to highlight this child rape has been constant.

    You yourself accused Rob of rule breaking. A totally cheap, unfounded allegation that you swiftly dropped when you were called out on your lies.
    because the fact they are asian or muslim has nothing of relevance. why does it matter. child raping vermin are child raping vermin. there is no politicaly correct pro immigration crowd as political correctness doesn't exist. there is a pro immigration crowd, but they haven't been trying to silence discussion here. nobody has

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #388
    jimboblep
    Registered Users Posts: 546 ✭✭✭jimboblep


    end of the road wrote: »
    because the fact they are asian or muslim has nothing of relevance. why does it matter. child raping vermin are child raping vermin. there is no politicaly correct pro immigration crowd as political correctness doesn't exist. there is a pro immigration crowd, but they haven't been trying to silence discussion here. nobody has

    It does become an issue if a pattern of behaviour has been established
    as another poster pointed out its not just rotherham
    the question needs to be asked, without people shouting racist is there something in this culture that makes them more likely to rape young girls.
    also the racism angle of it being predominantly white girls should not be ignored
    To me the really chilling aspect is the fact in all these cases its not a single person but a group doing this which brings you back to whether this is socially acceptable among certain groups


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    #389
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Institutionalised political correctness was a big factor in them escaping justice for so long.

    Sadly true.


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    #390
    reprise
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    end of the road wrote: »
    there is no politicaly correct pro immigration crowd as political correctness doesn't exist.

    Is this a chant you do to steady the ship?


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    Henry9
    Registered Users Posts: 418 ✭✭Henry9


    porsche959 wrote: »
    I spent three weeks in Scotland recently and I didn't see a single headscarf or a hijab.
    That's the fcuking post of the year right there.


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