How much to get an electric shower fitted?

Plumbthedepths

Christ I'm in the wrong game. My shower gave up the ghost 6 months ago , a Mira sport. Bought a Triton Enrich off Screwfix direct for 80 euro, some plumbing parts to change around the water inlet for 12 euro. 10 mins on YouTube. Did the job myself sum total 92 euro, 6 months later shower still working no electric shocks either. ;-)

Sleepy

Is it not invalidating your home insurance to not get an electric shower installed by an REC?

looksee

Just as an aside, be aware (my experience with a dodgy builder some years ago) that if you are supplying water to a shower from the main you need a shower for that purpose, most showers operate from the house tank, but some houses still have main supply randomly to various points and if you do, you need the right kind of shower.

I told the plumber (well no, he was the builder, he said a plumber would be doing it but then did it himself) the supply to the bathroom was from the main. I told him I wanted a supply brought from the tank. But he ignored the large sign on the shower box that said 'do not connect to mains water' and installed it anyway. Fountains of water resulted - over a weekend of course.

Yes, I know main supply should only go to the kitchen tap, but there are still houses out there that were plumbed to have mains water going to bathroom taps.

Shefwedfan

Sleeper12 wrote: »

The hardest part is getting hot feed to the power shower. At a push you could run it surface down the wall & into the shower. Wouldn't be the prettiest thing but some people opt for this till they are ready to tile the bathroom. If you don't want to run it surface then you will need to chase out the wall. This will require tiling afterwards.



Triton have a new Silent power shower launched last week called the Triton Novel SR. It has the exact same motor as the Triton T90SR & this motor is bulletproof. I I were to put a pump in a box type power shower in my own home this is the one I'd go for. Better quality than the Aqualisa Aquastream that retails at double the price & isn't as quiet.

I have a T90sr, a T90xr(or something) and then a AS200XT installed in the house.



The AS200XT is brill and my preference would be to swap out the two T90's for it.


Problem is as you mentioned the wall is chased but only for a single pipe which is running from the Tank. Taking the tiles off is not an option as they are horrendously expensive and I don't think I would be able to get the same ones again so it would be retiling two large bathrooms. €€€€€€€€€


I guess in this situation I have no option to replace the T90's?



The reason I want the T90's out if because of the amount of electricty they use, we have immersion on 24 x 7 anyway

Plumbthedepths

Sleepy wrote: »

Is it not invalidating your home insurance to not get an electric shower installed by an REC?

No idea might have a look at my policy later.Still have no intention of giving some lad 400 plus to change a shower.

stratowide

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

No idea might have a look at my policy later.Still have no intention of giving some lad 400 plus to change a shower.

Dead right there chief.

€400 to change a shower..Not a chance.

Sleepy

TBH, it's not the job itself I'd be placing a value on: it's the legality. I'm comfortable doing most DIY but I'm not comfortable with the risk of a dodgy unit burning the house down and my insurance company being able to wash their hands of it because I installed the unit myself.

Sleeper12

Sleepy wrote: »

Curious as to the (seemingly) high costs mentioned in this thread. I can see Triton showers on screwfix for under €100.

https://www.ie.screwfix.com/triton-enrich-electric-shower-white-10-5kw.html

Maybe I'm falling for marketing or missing something but IIRC Triton was always regarded as a decent brand?

Would be looking to get something like this in to replace an existing Mira Elite 2 in a year or so. Would I really be looking at the guts of €400 to get the new unit installed?! A "like for like" replacement of an electric shower looks fairly straight-forward to me and TBH, if it weren't for the legal requirement to have it carried out by a professional I'd have little fear about tackling the job myself.

Not having a dig Sleeper12, I understand that a business has overheads, insurance etc. to cover but it seems expensive for a relatively straight-forward job? Are you noticing a rise in people choosing to ignore the legislation and opt for the DIY route?

What you see on Screwfix for 80 pounds is a UK mains fed shower. Because it is a UK model there is no Irish warranty. That aside it isn't a direct replacement for your Mira Elite 2. Your Mira Elite 2 is a pumped electric shower & is tank fed. The shower linked is a mains fed shower with no pump. The mains fed shower chances temperature all on it's own when someone runs kitchen tap. In many parts of Dublin the water pressure isn't good enough to activate the pressure switch on a mains fed shower for more than half of the day. Irish waters reply is that mains fed showers are against the building regs & it shouldn't be installed, so not their problem.



You can get a Dublin shower company to supply & fit a Mira Elite QT or Triton T90SR for between 325 & 350. This is more or less like for like with your old Mira & you can expect the same type of performance. The mains fed shower won't give you the same performance

Sleeper12

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I have a T90sr, a T90xr(or something) and then a AS200XT installed in the house.



The AS200XT is brill and my preference would be to swap out the two T90's for it.


Problem is as you mentioned the wall is chased but only for a single pipe which is running from the Tank. Taking the tiles off is not an option as they are horrendously expensive and I don't think I would be able to get the same ones again so it would be retiling two large bathrooms. €€€€€€€€€


I guess in this situation I have no option to replace the T90's?



The reason I want the T90's out if because of the amount of electricty they use, we have immersion on 24 x 7 anyway

The power shower is a far better showering experience but don't kid yourself on the running costs. Electric shower is A rates & is the cheapest form of showering with the exception os solar & possibly a combi boiler if the boiler is installed very close to the shower itself. Heating the hot water cylinder either by gas or electric is more expensive that an electric shower. I'm not suggesting electric is a nicer shower to have. I use a power shower myself but the electric is cheaper to run

Sleeper12

stratowide wrote: »

Dead right there chief.

€400 to change a shower..Not a chance.

You aren't paying someone 400 to change a shower? You are getting one supplied for 325/350. The shower unit itself costs 225/250. Your qualified & insured tradesman is getting around 88.11 plus 11.89 VAT= 100 euro for this job. I traveled from D5 to Bray, to Lucan & on to Balbriggan so far today. Most of my time is driving.I honestly don't think it's a lot to pay someone who has trained in the field.



I won't post links but if you google triton t90 450 supplied & fitted you'll find companies charging 450 plus VAT to supply & fit a replacement shower. That's 510 euro!!!

Sleepy

Sleeper12 wrote: »

What you see on Screwfix for 80 pounds is a UK mains fed shower. Because it is a UK model there is no Irish warranty. That aside it isn't a direct replacement for your Mira Elite 2. Your Mira Elite 2 is a pumped electric shower & is tank fed. The shower linked is a mains fed shower with no pump. The mains fed shower chances temperature all on it's own when someone runs kitchen tap. In many parts of Dublin the water pressure isn't good enough to activate the pressure switch on a mains fed shower for more than half of the day. Irish waters reply is that mains fed showers are against the building regs & it shouldn't be installed, so not their problem.



You can get a Dublin shower company to supply & fit a Mira Elite QT or Triton T90SR for between 325 & 350. This is more or less like for like with your old Mira & you can expect the same type of performance. The mains fed shower won't give you the same performance

Thanks for the detailed reply! Those prices aren't actually that bad when it's a supply and fit deal.

In terms of replacing a Mira Elite 2, are the models you mentioned what you'd recommend? Or are there better models that you'd recommend ahead of them for a direct swap like this? It'll be a couple of years before I'm doing the job and it'll be a complete gut of the shower room (back to brick and studs but hoping not to have to move any of the plumbing) but curious as to what I should be looking to replace the shower with and if there are better options than a direct replacement for not too much more money...

Sleeper12

Sleepy wrote: »

Thanks for the detailed reply! Those prices aren't actually that bad when it's a supply and fit deal.

In terms of replacing a Mira Elite 2, are the models you mentioned what you'd recommend? Or are there better models that you'd recommend ahead of them for a direct swap like this? It'll be a couple of years before I'm doing the job and it'll be a complete gut of the shower room (back to brick and studs but hoping not to have to move any of the plumbing) but curious as to what I should be looking to replace the shower with and if there are better options than a direct replacement for not too much more money...

The new Mira Elite QT is a lemon. I believe it should be removed from the market. If at all possible I'd put in the Triton T90SR silent shower. If this doesn't fit there is a Triton T900PI that is the same footprint as the Mira but it's not silent

listermint

Sleeper12 wrote: »

The new Mira Elite QT is a lemon. I believe it should be removed from the market. If at all possible I'd put in the Triton T90SR silent shower. If this doesn't fit there is a Triton T900PI that is the same footprint as the Mira but it's not silent

Thanks for the heads up on the new Triton model. Was looking at the SR, but the newer one looks like the job.

Happy4all

Rather than start a new thread, anyone know why it is nearly impossible to find a plumber to replace a shower feeding off tank with an electric shower? Are we in Celtic tiger mode with plumbers?

stratowide

Sleeper12 wrote: »

You aren't paying someone 400 to change a shower? You are getting one supplied for 325/350. The shower unit itself costs 225/250. Your qualified & insured tradesman is getting around 88.11 plus 11.89 VAT= 100 euro for this job. I traveled from D5 to Bray, to Lucan & on to Balbriggan so far today. Most of my time is driving.I honestly don't think it's a lot to pay someone who has trained in the field.



I won't post links but if you google triton t90 450 supplied & fitted you'll find companies charging 450 plus VAT to supply & fit a replacement shower. That's 510 euro!!!

So a like for like shower change will cost me €100 labour.
Would an hour be a reasonable time frame for fitting barring any problems..?

The price people charge is irrelevant.Its what I'm willing to pay is what counts.

So it's still a no from me.

listermint

stratowide wrote: »

So a like for like shower change will cost me €100 labour.
Would an hour be a reasonable time frame for fitting barring any problems..?

The price people charge is irrelevant.Its what I'm willing to pay is what counts.

So it's still a no from me.

Ok thats great......


Anyway moving on.

Sleeper12

stratowide wrote: »

So a like for like shower change will cost me €100 labour.
Would an hour be a reasonable time frame for fitting barring any problems..?

The price people charge is irrelevant.Its what I'm willing to pay is what counts.

So it's still a no from me.

It took me an hour to get to Bray this morning. I get paid from the moment I leave my house, going to suppliers & to & from jobs. Don't ever make the mistake of "oh it only took him an hour". This isn't how the world works

stratowide

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It took me an hour to get to Bray this morning. I get paid from the moment I leave my house, going to suppliers & to & from jobs. Don't ever make the mistake of "oh it only took him an hour". This isn't how the world works

I know how it works.Im in the maintenance trade a long time.

I'm saying I wont pay €100 to someone to fit a shower.
Other people might and that's fine.

I wont though..:)

Sleeper12

listermint wrote:

Anyway moving on.

In fairness to him, it's the DIY forum. It's a reasonable comment from a DIY person. Id find it offensive on the plumbing forum though

Plumbthedepths

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It took me an hour to get to Bray this morning. I get paid from the moment I leave my house, going to suppliers & to & from jobs. Don't ever make the mistake of "oh it only took him an hour". This isn't how the world works

It took me 30 mins to get into work today, I get paid when I arrive in my employer's premises. This attitude of I get paid once I leave my house is one of the reasons why I'm such an avid DIY'er.

Sleeper12

If your employ sent you to buy something the office ran out of would you clock out & back in or would you expect to be doing this travelling on company time?


You only travel to work once a day. I travel to work 8 times a day. I can loose 30 minutes at trade counters alone. I get literally dozens of calls, emails and text from all over Ireland and the UK. I am happy to give out free advice all day long. I help a couple dozen people per week solve their problems over the phone. I give free advice here. I'm happy to do all of that but I charge for my time if I visit your home. I donate to charity but I am not a charity. 

Dtp1979

Sleeper12 wrote: »

The hardest part is getting hot feed to the power shower. At a push you could run it surface down the wall & into the shower. Wouldn't be the prettiest thing but some people opt for this till they are ready to tile the bathroom. If you don't want to run it surface then you will need to chase out the wall. This will require tiling afterwards.



Triton have a new Silent power shower launched last week called the Triton Novel SR. It has the exact same motor as the Triton T90SR & this motor is bulletproof. I I were to put a pump in a box type power shower in my own home this is the one I'd go for. Better quality than the Aqualisa Aquastream that retails at double the price & isn't as quiet.

Did triton get the hot/cold supplies the right way around in the new models?

Sleeper12

Dtp1979 wrote:

Did triton get the hot/cold supplies the right way around in the new models?

The hot and cold inlets haven't changed. They are on the same side & in the same place. In most cases its not too difficult to swap over the hot & cold inside the wall. I had hoped to replace a mira event with the new triton yesterday but it was an old installation. Copper pipes had individual holes drilled through a Cross piece in the stud wall. There was no way that would work without major surgery. Had to go with a vigour in the end.

Dtp1979

Sleeper12 wrote: »

The hot and cold inlets haven't changed. They are on the same side & in the same place. In most cases its not too difficult to swap over the hot & cold inside the wall. I had hoped to replace a mira event with the new triton yesterday but it was an old installation. Copper pipes had individual holes drilled through a Cross piece in the stud wall. There was no way that would work without major surgery. Had to go with a vigour in the end.

Yea those pipes have put me off many a triton installation

chabsey

North Dublin, currently have a Triton T90 XR which we've had for about 10 years. Works well but two things are a problem with it. It's noisy and always has been, probably the norm for a shower of that vintage but it does sound like a small jet about to take off. Secondly there's small amounts of black sooty stuff spat out of the side of it over time, I presume this is parts of the soul of the demon harnessed inside the unit to heat the water.

Anyway, can people who know these things give me a rough idea of swapping out this shower for something quiet(er)? Ideally something that will fit the existing footprint so tiling etc. is not required.

Thanks

Sleeper12

Triton t90sr silent shower is the best replacement for the triton t90xr

Fine Cheers

Recently paid 600 for supply and fit of a replacement pumped shower. I reckon around 200 of that was labour.

Edser

Any suggestion for the most reliable and easiest (footprint-wise) replacement for a Mira Elite ST?

Sleeper12

Fine Cheers wrote:

Recently paid 600 for supply and fit of a replacement pumped shower. I reckon around 200 of that was labour.

Was that a pumped power shower or a pumped electric shower?

Edser wrote:

Any suggestion for the most reliable and easiest (footprint-wise) replacement for a Mira Elite ST?

Most reliable is triton t90sr. Any good shower repair company should be able to install this.

Easiest but lower quality is the Mira Elite SE

Fine Cheers

Pumped power shower

chabsey

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Triton t90sr silent shower is the best replacement for the triton t90xr

Any ideas of the rough price of swapping out the XR and replacing with an SR?

Sleeper12

chabsey wrote:

Any ideas of the rough price of swapping out the XR and replacing with an SR?

Dublin 330 to 350 supplied & fitted Inc vat

enfant terrible

My Triton AS2000X seems to be on way out.

With power button off it still running and burning smell coming off it when running. Have to turn it off with isolator switch.

Is the Novel SR still the best option to replace it?
https://www.heavins.ie/p/triton-novel-sr-thermostatic-electric-power-shower/5012663154339?gclid=Cj0KCQjw24qHBhCnARIsAPbdtlKeSx8ThXnSF5xmLu2aipQt5Ssxz1frBNKsDOG5Rwdnc8egdNU5I0MaAuDJEALw_wcB&gtagrefurl=https%3a%2f%2fwww.google.com%2f

Thanks

Sleeper12

Yes. It's best replacement. Also you should jump at the one linked. Great price. There is a 12 percent price increase on triton products in the last few weeks that hasn't filtered to the shops yet.

Fils

What electrical tests would normally need to be done after doing a straight swap shower replacement?

Lavinia

Any chance for anyone to give a ball park of how much it would cost these days to supply and fit an electric shower to the bathroom that never had one previously thank you

btw pipes and electric supply can run on surface I do not mind

Sleeper12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117609790#Comment_117609790

Impedance test at the fuse box using specialist equipment

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120913129#Comment_120913129

At the moment in Dublin an electric shower will cost you between €1000 & €1500 supplied & fitted Inc vat. Prices have jumped in recent years. Massive shortage of electricians, massive increase in the quality & price of the cable required & a ban on selling heavily discounted Triton showers have all pushed up the price

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/94090954#Comment_94090954

That’s a replacement?

Im guessing a new install is closer to €900

Sleeper12

They were 2015 prices. Vigour Thermostatic power shower sells for €280 & supplied and fitted for around €450 Inc vat in the Dublin area. Average price for comple new installation for Mira Vigour or Triton Novel SR from scratch would be €850 to €1200 Depending on the layout of the house

Hippodrome Song Owl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120913129#Comment_120913129

It cost me €1200 plus VAT in Dublin a few months ago to get a Triton T90SR supplied and fitted in ensuite, including new wiring as no previous electric shower in the house. This was part of a full renovation of two bathrooms, but that's what was on the breakdown on the invoice. The wiring went up from fuse box, through box bedroom covered in some sort of tubing fixed to wall, into attic and then across the house in attic to the ensuite.

rob316

Hi guys, I have a mixer shower, tank fed, pressure is awful. What is the best electric shower I could buy to replace it?

Sleeper12

Triton t90sr silent shower

DC999

It's maybe worth seeing why the pressure is so low. You might not need to replace with an electric shower. Supply and fit will be expensive. And electricity prices are expensive so you can't run the electric shower from the hot water tank that was potentially heated with cheap night time rate electricity. Maybe that's not an issue for you.

Was it always like that on every prior pumped shower? Or is this one new and problem wasn't there before? Could be a blockage in the shower restricting water.

When you run the shower using cold water is the pressure ok, but then drops when you turn up the temperature?

You could contact the manufacture and explain the issue and ask if they can suggest a solution. Might be a part that needs to get replaced or a change to the shower in some way.

I'd suggest a Google search looking at troubleshooting tips for a pumped shower with low pressure. I won't pretend to know how to troubleshoot it.

rob316

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121166217#Comment_121166217

Thanks but I think you misunderstood, I have just a mixer tap and shower head off that. Pressure is low cold or hot, no pump.

embracingLife

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121168111#Comment_121168111

So you want a shower to be stronger water pressure when water comes out?

One solution is to install a booster pump, usually put in the hot press and plumbed into the hot and cold pipes to the bathroom. It's straight forward to wire in a booster pump here than for installing an electric shower in bathroom. Plumber can easily fit these pumps by adjusting/adding the pipes etc. Another advantage is that all the water to the bathroom will be higher pressure not just shower head which runs from the mixer tap in your case, but also the wash basin taps and also the toilet will fill up quicker aswell as the hot water to the kitchen sink. (btw is the mixer tap which the shower runs off is it in a bath or in a shower?)

Eg Grundfos Scala2 pump is very quieter than the generic booster pumps that are common in apartments. But to fit the pump is dependent on having extra floor space in the hot press but it can be fitted elsewhere in the house. By installing a separate booster pump outside the bathroom the need to do any work in the bathroom is eliminated.

Other solution is install an electric shower in the bathroom but you need an electrician to run a cable from the fuse board to the bathroom as well as plumber to run a new pipe from the cold water tank in attic to the electric shower (as its recommended to provide the cold water supply to electric showers by this method although there's other shortcuts done but not recommended).

The difficult part is to be able to run the new pipe and electric cable through the wall/behind the wall tiles to the new shower.