No vaping in public: New Bill

Penny Tration

andy1249 wrote: »

The report quotes two voltages, 3.3v and 4.8v , checked my VIP unit, its 4.8v fixed, so its in the bin and Ive quit, got some nicorette to get me through.

In all fairness, this was always too good to be true, all i did was swap a known health risk for an unknown container of chemicals.

Now it turns out to be 15 times worse, should have guessed it really!

Hiya mate.

You can take 'em out of the bin.

I work for VIP. The batteries operate on 3.3v.

wallywhittle

I still expect some research to come out at some stage to prove that e-cigs are dangerous but this isn't it and until someone finds it i am going to keep on vaping .[/QUOTE]

You're a sitting duck do yourself a favour and read Allen Carr easy way to give up smoking.

jonski

miezekatze wrote: »

I'm in favour of restrictions. I didn't used to mind them, but one of the senior managers where I work uses these at his desk all the time with no consideration for others, and it's the same in the company where my oh works. Using these things in the office is really out of order imo.

Agreed , anyone who blows clouds across an office is an a-hole , have a bit of respect for others around you and don't be a dick , but then that goes for all things in life I suppose .

I think we would all like to see the industry regulated but it should be evidence based regulation .

jonski

wallywhittle wrote: »

You're a sitting duck do yourself a favour and read Allen Carr easy way to give up smoking.

Speaking of something for weak willed people , my mind was changed by reading a book ? really ? , well maybe you should have educated yourself before now .

wallywhittle

jonski wrote: »

Speaking of something for weak willed people , my mind was changed by reading a book ? really ? , well maybe you should have educated yourself before now .

Your not making much sense, you must be craving nicotine go and get your fix.

J Mysterio

wallywhittle wrote: »

Nicotine is a drug and you my friend are a drug addict. The only reason you consume nicotine is because you are addicted to it not because you enjoy it.

That's a very arrogant assumption you've made there.

wallywhittle

J Mysterio wrote: »

That's a very arrogant assumption you've made there.

It's not an assumption it's fact.

J Mysterio

wallywhittle wrote: »

It's not an assumption it's fact.

Nicotine is a drug + man consumes nicotine = man is a drug addict. Fallacy 1.

People only consume drugs as they are addicting, not because they enjoy them. Fallacy 2.

Take a walk pal.

wallywhittle

J Mysterio wrote: »

Nicotine is a drug + man consumes nicotine = man is a drug addict. Fallacy 1.

People only consume drugs as they are addicting, not because they enjoy them. Fallacy 2.

Take a walk pal.

Your first point makes no sense, nicotine is a drug which he is addicted to, how is he not a drug addict. Big tobacco really got inside your head.

jonski

wallywhittle wrote: »

Your first point makes no sense, nicotine is a drug which he is addicted to, how is he not a drug addict. Big tobacco really got inside your head.

Why did you sign up today ?

wallywhittle

jonski wrote: »

Why did you sign up today ?

Mind your business please.

Gez69

jonski wrote: »

Why did you sign up today ?

Seems like he needs something to do with his hands since he gave up the cigs. He ought to try vaping.

wallywhittle

Gez69 wrote: »

Seems like he needs something to do with his hands since he gave up the cigs. He ought to try vaping.

Are you angry because you know you have to inhale chemicals into your body, because you can't deal with some little withdrawal symptoms.

Gez69

wallywhittle wrote: »

Are you angry because you know you have to inhale chemicals into your body, because you can't deal with some little withdrawal symptoms.

No. Are you angry that you have to troll the internet because you can't deal with life?

wallywhittle

Gez69 wrote: »

No. Are you angry that you have to troll the internet because you can't deal with life?

Smoking increases stress did you ever consider quitting, I found the allen carr book very helpful.

jonski

My own fault here , I'm on boards long enough to know where the ignore button is .

Uno my Uno.

I haven't smoked a cigarette in 9 months thanks to vaping, I suppose big tobacco has me right where they want me?

Gez69

wallywhittle wrote: »

Smoking increases stress did you ever consider quitting, I found the allen carr book very helpful.

Yes I did, so I did. I'm finding the vaping very helpful.

wallywhittle

Uno my Uno. wrote: »

I haven't smoked a cigarette in 9 months thanks to vaping, I suppose big tobacco has me right where they want me?

Actually they do, with the amount of money these companies have it won't be long until Phillip Morris and co have a monopoly over the e cigarette trade.

wallywhittle

Gez69 wrote: »

Yes I did, so I did. I'm finding the vaping very helpful.

You find pumping your body with unknown chemicals helpful? Every man to his own I suppose.

Montallie

I understand that, yes, it's because there is still nicotine in the vapour that there are concerns about ecigarettes. But for me it's more than that: I just don't want to have to sit in a café or other public place with warm vapour from someone else's lungs floating around me. Research has already shown that the warm air from hand driers in public toilets collects all the germs going around the room, making them far less healthy to use for drying than paper tissue, and warm vapour seems similar to me. How would people like it if I blew my cold germs all over them because I felt I needed to do it? I wouldn't imagine I would be very welcome anywhere.

Gez69

wallywhittle wrote: »

Every man to his own I suppose.

Correct.

R P McMurphy

jonski wrote: »

And you haven't a clue what you are talking about and are coming across as one of those holier than thou people who quit themselves and now think everyone should follow suit , away back to your nanny state with ya .

There's none so pure as a reformed hoor

andy1249

Weve all been down this road before, to this day there are still people defending tobacco and refuse to believe the ugly truth.

Like many on here I have on numerous occasions , jealously and irrationally defended my addiction, but not this time!

Just like tobacco, i strongly suspect that this report is just the first of many that will prove that sucking these chemicals into you will kill you, and I,m tired of lying to myself.

As much as we dont want it to be, you just know that this is true, and to hell with it, Im stopping now!

Going Forward

Montallie wrote: »

I understand that, yes, it's because there is still nicotine in the vapour that there are concerns about ecigarettes. But for me it's more than that: I just don't want to have to sit in a café or other public place with warm vapour from someone else's lungs floating around me. Research has already shown that the warm air from hand driers in public toilets collects all the germs going around the room, making them far less healthy to use for drying than paper tissue, and warm vapour seems similar to me. How would people like it if I blew my cold germs all over them because I felt I needed to do it? I wouldn't imagine I would be very welcome anywhere.

Yes, but if we could see people's breath whilst they're normally exhaling we'd all want to wear gas masks.

Its the seeing of the vapour that's the problem really.

The second hand nicotine vapour won't harm you, there's not even any evidence that first hand vapour does!

But you mightnt like the actual look of it.

jonski

andy1249 wrote: »

Just like tobacco, i strongly suspect that this report is just the first of many that will prove that sucking these chemicals into you will kill you, and I,m tired of lying to myself.

I strongly suspect that this report doesn't and the educated opinions of others released around the same time would tend to agree .

andy1249 wrote: »

Im stopping now

Good for you .

mewso

wallywhittle is on a two week holiday for not reading the charter. Folks in here, while perfectly willing to discuss vaping and it's positives, negatives do not have to deal with recommendations for alternative means to stop smoking since vaping is a choice not an alternative to cold turkey and so on. Try the parent forum for that. Also again while most of us here would like more and even more research into the effects of vaping I think we would mostly agree that we have made a conscious choice to swap the very real and proven risk of smoking vs this alternative. Perma ban if this continues on your return. Folks don't engage with trolls.

Penny Tration

andy1249 wrote: »

Weve all been down this road before, to this day there are still people defending tobacco and refuse to believe the ugly truth.

Like many on here I have on numerous occasions , jealously and irrationally defended my addiction, but not this time!

Just like tobacco, i strongly suspect that this report is just the first of many that will prove that sucking these chemicals into you will kill you, and I,m tired of lying to myself.

As much as we dont want it to be, you just know that this is true, and to hell with it, Im stopping now!

Well, we'll all die eventually.

You keep talking about the chemicals in e-liquid, but at least we KNOW what's in them - propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin.

Nobody is claiming it's 100% safe and healthy.

It sure as hell is a LOT better than smoking, though, and that's why people switch to vaping.

Since I quit smoking in favour of vaping, I have no constant cough, my lung capacity has improved (it was awful for a 25 year old previously), my skin is clearing up and I don't get a burning in my chest/throat when I exercise.

So, while vaping may not be 100% safe (what is, though?), for me, it's a hell of a lot better than smoking, and my gp and couple of specialists agree.

wingnut32

http://www.ecita.org.uk/ecita-blog/california-%E2%80%93-font-world-class-propaganda

Good article here for those who want to educate themselves.

wingnut32

andy1249 wrote: »

Seen this today

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc1413069

It includes references and a list of researchers , apparently the constituents combine to make formaldehyde , a grade 1 carcinogenic , and 15 times more likely to give you terminal cancer than cigarettes !!

http://www.ecigarette-research.com/web/index.php/2013-04-07-09-50-07/2015/191-form-nejm

wingnut32

For all those who have concerns with the proposed bill or those who simply want to tell their story, Senator Powers facebook page is here. She is active on the page.

https://www.facebook.com/SenatorAverilPower/posts/10153018974264323

J Mysterio

"Will u give us a break they are the best thing since the slice pan go way with yourself"

That was my favourite comment.

macker33

Assholes, once again the government showing an inbuilt talent for making the wrong decision

burnaby

macker33 wrote: »

Assholes, once again the government showing an inbuilt talent for making the wrong decision

The government hasn't made any decision. The Bill is not a government bill, and it hasn't been discussed in the Seanad or Dáil yet, never mind been voted upon.

Vaping is stupid - almost as stupid as smoking. E-cigarettes may not poison users with as many toxic substances as cigarettes, but they still provide nicotine, and should be banned for that reason alone

I hope the bill sponsored by Averil Power and John Crown is debated and enacted as soon as possible.

burnaby

macker33 wrote: »

Assholes, once again the government showing an inbuilt talent for making the wrong decision

The government hasn't made any decision. The Bill is not a government bill, and it hasn't been discussed in the Seanad or Dáil yet, never mind been voted upon.

Vaping is stupid - almost as stupid as smoking. E-cigarettes may not poison users with as many toxic substances as cigarettes, but they still provide nicotine, and should be banned for that reason alone

I hope the bill sponsored by Averil Power and John Crown is debated and enacted as soon as possible.

macker33

wallywhittle wrote: »

nicotine is a drug which he is addicted to,

I'm addicted to nicotine, so what? afraid my nicotine addiction might be contagious?
I like vaping, its a pleasure in life, why not ban caffine while you are at it? or deodorant?

The problem with do-gooders like you is you have spent all your time kicking smokers around and now you think its ok to kick people who vape around.

macker33

@burnaby You know they are going to mess things up for vapers.

jonski

burnaby wrote: »

but they still provide nicotine, and should be banned for that reason alone

You might try explaining that one for me please .

tommy2bad

jonski wrote: »

You might try explaining that one for me please .

I doubt he will, the number of low post count trolls showing up on this thread is concerning. A suspicious person might start to think Averill has a cyber army!
Nah! Not enough brains in the entire Senate to come up with that, let alone in Averills I'll informed head.
Prof. Crown on the other hand.......

Glebee

I recon at this stage im addicted to caffiene, go with out my coffe
fix and im like a bear with a sore head.should we ban that.

People are addicted to alchohol. lets ban that as well.

The proposed bill is just a decision by two Senators to get some publicity and guess what its worked.

Im recently new to vaping(since november 2014). Been off the smoke foe 4 years but found myself being drawn back to having a crafty fag decided to get a e cig set up. Since than have not even looked or had any interest in having a cigerette. Sometime I do wonder what are the effects of vaping, is it really as harmless as people say. Am i vaping more that I was smoking???, all thoughts that go through my head. I for one would welcome an independent study that would put the question beyond doubt. But when you look at it, it seem everything we consume is deemed bad for you, so your screwed any way.

As for vaping in a public place, I have never pulled out the e cig inside in the pub and puffed away and I never would either.

My two cents.

parttime

wallywhittle wrote: »

E cigarettes are for the weak willed and delusional. Do yourselves a favour and read Allen Carr easy way to give up smoking, you won't regret. It's such a relief to free yourself from the devil nicotine. Does anybody actually know what shiite actually goes into these evil contraptions.

Are you a troll? Because if you are ,you are not a very good one. Also rude and argumentative. If you needed a book to help you give up does that not make you weak willed.

the dark phantom

Theres an obsession with banning things in this country.

parttime

burnaby wrote: »

The government hasn't made any decision. The Bill is not a government bill, and it hasn't been discussed in the Seanad or Dáil yet, never mind been voted upon.

Vaping is stupid - almost as stupid as smoking. E-cigarettes may not poison users with as many toxic substances as cigarettes, but they still provide nicotine, and should be banned for that reason alone

I hope the bill sponsored by Averil Power and John Crown is debated and enacted as soon as possible.

Nicorette patches also provide you with nicotine,should these also be banned along with cigarettes,inhalers and other forms of nicotine replacement therapy.

parttime

Thing is Nicotine is addictive, but not particularly harmful. I have seen it compared to caffiene in its effects on the body.

Jogathon

Not a smoker here. I hope this ban goes through. I don't like people using them near me. Use them outside please. I intend to mention it to the bar staff if there are people using them in a pub or restaurant when I am there so that they can see that some people find them objectionable. I think most non smokers don't like being near them.

macker33

Jogathon wrote: »

I hope this ban goes through. I don't like people using them near me. .

And i dont like farts and too strong perfume, lets ban those as well

Gez69

Jogathon wrote: »

Not a smoker here. I hope this ban goes through. I don't like people using them near me. Use them outside please. I intend to mention it to the bar staff if there are people using them in a pub or restaurant when I am there so that they can see that some people find them objectionable. I think most non smokers don't like being near them.

You sound like a right laugh.

Tasden

Jogathon wrote: »

Not a smoker here. I hope this ban goes through. I don't like people using them near me. Use them outside please. I intend to mention it to the bar staff if there are people using them in a pub or restaurant when I am there so that they can see that some people find them objectionable. I think most non smokers don't like being near them.

Yeah I'm a non smoker and hate being around them. Wouldn't mind either way if they are banned or not though.

I don't like them because, like another poster said, the warm vapour wafting in my face just seems kind of gross. And even when it's not being directly blown in your direction, as someone who doesn't use them, they smell kind of weird, much the same as cigarette smoke does to a lot of non smokers.

But complaining about them for that reason seems like complaining about someone smelling bad, or being particularly noisy. Yeah it might be annoying to me but they're free to do as they please really.

Penny Tration

Tbh, I wouldn't be massively put out by having to vape outside, except in work (I work for a vape company, so vape on the job). I go to the smoking area in pubs and clubs anyway, and wouldn't think of vaping in a restaurant.

The people I feel sorry for most are new vapers. I'm only off smokes 2 and a half months, and if, in the first month, I had to go outside work to a smoking area to vape, I'd have found it incredibly difficult not to have a smoke.

macker33

Tasden wrote: »

the warm vapour wafting in my face just seems kind of gross.

What you talking about? vape smells nice, who doesnt like the smell of carmel, or tutti frutti, or mint, or bubble gum?
I dont like the noise pollution from dogooders whinging and i'm pretty sure thats bad for my mental health, lets ban that.