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The Tiger Woods Thread

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    #1712
    AGC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭AGC


    First Up wrote: »

    Using the rules to your advantage is fair enough. Using the help of spectators to improve your situation is not.

    Where does it say that?


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    #1713
    First Up
    Registered Users Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    AGC wrote: »
    First Up wrote: »

    Using the rules to your advantage is fair enough. Using the help of spectators to improve your situation is not.

    Where does it say that?
    Depends on where you look but thanks for demonstrating my point.


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    #1714
    ForeRight
    Registered Users Posts: 3,695 ✭✭✭ForeRight


    This is interesting considering the current topic of conversation in this thread. .....


    https://www.google.ie/amp/golfweek.com/2018/03/19/patrick-reed-during-dispute-over-drop-i-guess-my-name-needs-to-be-jordan-spieth/amp/


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    #1715
    AGC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭AGC


    First Up wrote: »
    Depends on where you look but thanks for demonstrating my point.

    The rule of golf clearly says spectators can assist. It says nowhere that any rule is being broken. There is no questions about that.


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    #1716
    First Up
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    AGC wrote: »
    First Up wrote: »
    Depends on where you look but thanks for demonstrating my point.

    The rule of golf clearly says spectators can assist. It says nowhere that any rule is being broken. There is no questions about that.

    As long as the ruling official agrees that a boulder that needs a dozen or more people to move it meets the definition of "loose".

    That's the point where the rule book is open to interpretation - and the marsall is vulnerable to the pressure of a superstar's lobbying, an enthusiastic pro-Tiger gallery and a global TV audience.


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    #1717
    AGC
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    First Up wrote: »
    As long as the ruling official agrees that a boulder that needs a dozen or more people to move it meets the definition of "loose".

    That's the point where the rule book is open to interpretation - and the marsall is vulnerable to the pressure of a superstar's lobbying, an enthusiastic pro-Tiger gallery and a global TV audience.

    Think you have summed it up there. Regardless of who the player is once a rules official is called and gives the ruling its carry on.

    You see some players call in a rules official for drops as simple as a water hazard just for the re-assurance and also with the amount of scrutiny.

    Big difference between Marshall and official.

    Darren Clarke, in carton benefited from one of the biggest piece of gallery support I’ve ever seen but his sportsmanship came through on what he did.


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    #1718
    fullstop
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    bren2001 wrote: »
    Tiger getting the boulder moved is no different than:


    Jordan Spieth getting his drop last year at the British Open.

    He took a penalty drop, so not exactly the same as the others.


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    #1719
    spacecoyote
    Registered Users Posts: 8,575 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    ForeRight wrote: »
    This is interesting considering the current topic of conversation in this thread. .....


    https://www.google.ie/amp/golfweek.com/2018/03/19/patrick-reed-during-dispute-over-drop-i-guess-my-name-needs-to-be-jordan-spieth/amp/

    What's even more interesting is they've been drawn in the same group in the matchplay!


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    #1720
    First Up
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    fullstop wrote: »
    bren2001 wrote: »
    Tiger getting the boulder moved is no different than:


    Jordan Spieth getting his drop last year at the British Open.

    He took a penalty drop, so not exactly the same as the others.
    And he didn't recruit the gallery to move the driving range.


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    #1721
    bren2001
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    fullstop wrote: »
    He took a penalty drop, so not exactly the same as the others.

    He took a penalty drop, drop it behind the trucks to then get a free drop on the driving range in a far better position. He used the rules to his advantage the same way Phil, Dustin, Tiger and every player have.


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    #1722
    kiers47
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭kiers47


    This thread is hilarious. People who have issues with something that happened almost 20 years ago and using that as a stick to beat him with.
    I don't think there is anything wrong with this particular issue as has already been discussed he checked with a rules official and used the rules and gallery to his advantage. I would think that if you are trying to slate Tiger for breaking rules then his drop in the masters in 2013(i think) would be your first port of call.
    But in all honesty lads. 20 YEARS AGO? REALLY?
    The hatred runs deep if you still have a problem with this.

    God love us if he manages to win people will be heart broken. Tiger has far more flaws than a few instances where he manipulated the rules to his advantage mentioned above. But he is certainly good for golf and if you believe otherwise you certainly need to find another hobby.


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    #1723
    First Up
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    kiers47 wrote: »
    This thread is hilarious. People who have issues with something that happened almost 20 years ago and using that as a stick to beat him with.
    I don't think there is anything wrong with this particular issue as has already been discussed he checked with a rules official and used the rules and gallery to his advantage. I would think that if you are trying to slate Tiger for breaking rules then his drop in the masters in 2013(i think) would be your first port of call.
    But in all honesty lads. 20 YEARS AGO? REALLY?
    The hatred runs deep if you still have a problem with this.

    God love us if he manages to win people will be heart broken. Tiger has far more flaws than a few instances where he manipulated the rules to his advantage mentioned above. But he is certainly good for golf and if you believe otherwise you certainly need to find another hobby.

    I was accused of hating him (I don't) but I listed a number of things I dislike. I included the media hype, and ultra favourable rulings - the boulder incident being one.

    I also mentioned the bad behaviour of the galleries he attracts and as an example
    I mentioned the abuse showered on Rory M and Justin Thomas among others last weekend - something that only seems to happen when Tiger is in the field.

    Was that one recent enough for you?


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    #1724
    Eric the Eagle
    Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭Eric the Eagle


    First Up wrote: »
    I was accused of hating him (I don't) but I listed a number of things I dislike. I included the media hype, and ultra favourable rulings - the boulder incident being one.

    I also mentioned the bad behaviour of the galleries he attracts and as an example
    I mentioned the abuse showered on Rory M and Justin Thomas among others last weekend - something that only seems to happen when Tiger is in the field.

    Was that one recent enough for you?

    Justin Thomas has not played the last two weekends. What abuse are you referring to?

    Have Justin or Rory complained about playing with Tiger?

    I think you need to let a few things go. I think it is great to have him back competing again. Did not think I would see the day.


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    #1725
    First Up
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    Eric the Eagle wrote: »
    Justin Thomas has not played the last two weekends. What abuse are you referring to?

    Have Justin or Rory complained about playing with Tiger?

    I think you need to let a few things go. I think it is great to have him back competing again. Did not think I would see the day.

    http://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/22811719/rory-mcilroy-says-limiting-alcohol-sales-necessary-calm-abusive-fans

    ORLANDO, Fla. -- Rory McIlroy wondered Saturday whether limiting alcohol sales might help curb some of the loud and abusive behavior he believes is getting worse at PGA Tour tournaments.

    A month ago, McIlroy suggested that the commotion that surrounds a group following Tiger Woods cost the 14-time major champion half a shot per round.

    "It's tiring," McIlroy said. "I've got a headache after all that."

    During Saturday's third round of the Arnold Palmer Invitational at Bay Hill, McIlroy again felt there were instances of poor behavior that crossed the line.

    Three weeks ago, Justin Thomas had a spectator removed during the final round of the Honda Classic because he believed the fan had gone too far, yelling at his ball to get in the rough or in the water or taunting him as he walked from a green to a tee.


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    #1726
    eoghan104
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    "During Saturday's third round of the Arnold Palmer Invitational at Bay Hill, McIlroy again felt there were instances of poor behavior that crossed the line.

    Three weeks ago, Justin Thomas had a spectator removed during the final round of the Honda Classic because he believed the fan had gone too far, yelling at his ball to get in the rough or in the water or taunting him as he walked from a green to a tee."

    What have either of these things got to do with Tiger?


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    #1727
    First Up
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    eoghan104 wrote: »
    "During Saturday's third round of the Arnold Palmer Invitational at Bay Hill, McIlroy again felt there were instances of poor behavior that crossed the line.

    Three weeks ago, Justin Thomas had a spectator removed during the final round of the Honda Classic because he believed the fan had gone too far, yelling at his ball to get in the rough or in the water or taunting him as he walked from a green to a tee."

    What have either of these things got to do with Tiger?

    Did you read the preceding paragraph?

    You may be unwilling to accept it, but there is an element that follows Tiger (and nobody else) that causes trouble everywhere he plays (except Augusta). US golf galleries can get loud at the best of times but you only see hostility towards other players from the Tiger-twits. Of course he doesn't personally cause it, but when he isn't there, it doesn't happen.

    It doesn't happen at Augusta because (a) they don't usually get tickets and (b) one word out of their obnoxious mouths and they are ejected.

    I've marshalled at US Tour events. I know what I'm talking about.


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    #1728
    The Premier Man
    Registered Users Posts: 357 ✭✭The Premier Man


    First Up wrote:
    You may be unwilling to accept it, but there is an element that follows Tiger (and nobody else) that causes trouble everywhere he plays (except Augusta). US golf galleries can get loud at the best of times but you only see hostility towards other players from the Tiger-twits. Of course he doesn't personally cause it, but when he isn't there, it doesn't happen.

    First Up wrote:
    It doesn't happen at Augusta because (a) they don't usually get tickets and (b) one word out of their obnoxious mouths and they are ejected.

    First Up wrote:
    I've marshalled at US Tour events. I know what I'm talking about.

    First Up wrote:
    Did you read the preceding paragraph?

    From reading your posts you do have a strong dislike towards tiger, you have your reasons but the gallery should not come into it... Its like saying you don't like the English football team because their fans always cause trouble but to be fair it was never Gerrard, lampard etc. Who were telling them to go fighting and wrecking pubs like tiger isn't telling fans to shout at Rory or thomas


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    #1729
    First Up
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    The Premier Man wrote: »
    First Up wrote:
    You may be unwilling to accept it, but there is an element that follows Tiger (and nobody else) that causes trouble everywhere he plays (except Augusta). US golf galleries can get loud at the best of times but you only see hostility towards other players from the Tiger-twits. Of course he doesn't personally cause it, but when he isn't there, it doesn't happen.

    First Up wrote:
    It doesn't happen at Augusta because (a) they don't usually get tickets and (b) one word out of their obnoxious mouths and they are ejected.

    First Up wrote:
    I've marshalled at US Tour events. I know what I'm talking about.

    First Up wrote:
    Did you read the preceding paragraph?

    From reading your posts you do have a strong dislike towards tiger, you have your reasons but the gallery should not come into it... Its like saying you don't like the English football team because their fans always cause trouble but to be fair it was never Gerrard, lampard etc. Who were telling them to go fighting and wrecking pubs like tiger isn't telling fans to shout at Rory or thomas

    I agree the gallery shouldn't come into it - but they do. Tournaments without Tiger may not be as "exciting" for some but they are a lot more pleasant for everyone else.


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    #1730
    ThunderCat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭ThunderCat


    Great to see the GOAT put in a good performance again. Solid play for the most part and he personally must be delighted with his progress. I bet he is relishing the start of the masters. Hopefully this years tournament lives up to the potential hype.


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    #1731
    ForeRight
    Registered Users Posts: 3,695 ✭✭✭ForeRight


    My guess is that First Up put his back out when moving the boulder and had his claim rejected by Tiger... hence the dislike.


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    #1732
    First Up
    Registered Users Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    ForeRight wrote: »
    My guess is that First Up put his back out when moving the boulder and had his claim rejected by Tiger... hence the dislike.

    No, no its my nose that is out of joint!


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    #1733
    agusta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭agusta


    First Up wrote: »
    I agree the gallery shouldn't come into it - but they do. Tournaments without Tiger may not be as "exciting" for some but they are a lot more pleasant for everyone else.
    When tiger players it more exciting for the majority, including the players.This has been said often enough at this stage since he came back.At the Valspar the crowds were up 10,000 per day.Who gained...,the local charities of Tampa bay.With more crowds there is more noise. The majority of the people are following the Woods or Mickelson groups.The tiger effect,long may at last.Its good for everyone.Golf is blessed to have him back


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    #1734
    First Up
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    agusta wrote: »
    First Up wrote: »
    I agree the gallery shouldn't come into it - but they do. Tournaments without Tiger may not be as "exciting" for some but they are a lot more pleasant for everyone else.
    When tiger players it more exciting for the majority, including the players.This has been said often enough at this stage since he came back.At the Valspar the crowds were up 10,000 per day.Who gained...,the local charities of Tampa bay.With more crowds there is more noise. The majority of the people are following the Woods or Mickelson groups.The tiger effect,long may at last.Its good for everyone.Golf is blessed to have him back

    Ah, if only it was all that simple.


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    #1735
    spacecoyote
    Registered Users Posts: 8,575 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    Slightly off topic here, but the title of the article references Tiger, so I'll leave it here:

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/everyones-talking-about-tiger-but-phil-mickelson-is-playing-the-best-golf-of-his-career/

    In line with most people, I was probably as focussed on Tiger's comeback so Phil's numbers (apart from the win) pretty much passed me by.


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    #1736
    take everything
    Registered Users Posts: 9,806 ✭✭✭take everything


    First Up wrote: »
    I was accused of hating him (I don't) but I listed a number of things I dislike. I included the media hype, and ultra favourable rulings - the boulder incident being one.

    I also mentioned the bad behaviour of the galleries he attracts and as an example
    I mentioned the abuse showered on Rory M and Justin Thomas among others last weekend - something that only seems to happen when Tiger is in the field.

    Was that one recent enough for you?

    So basically pretty much everything you dislike is not anything he has done but stuff that is done to him or around him.


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    #1737
    agusta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭agusta


    First Up wrote: »
    Ah, if only it was all that simple.
    Its is that simple.I dont see any negatives.Every player on the pga tour is delighted he is back


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    #1738
    First Up
    Registered Users Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    take everything wrote: »
    First Up wrote: »
    I was accused of hating him (I don't) but I listed a number of things I dislike. I included the media hype, and ultra favourable rulings - the boulder incident being one.

    I also mentioned the bad behaviour of the galleries he attracts and as an example
    I mentioned the abuse showered on Rory M and Justin Thomas among others last weekend - something that only seems to happen when Tiger is in the field.

    Was that one recent enough for you?

    So basically pretty much everything you dislike is not anything he has done but stuff that is done to him or around him.
    take everything wrote: »
    First Up wrote: »
    I was accused of hating him (I don't) but I listed a number of things I dislike. I included the media hype, and ultra favourable rulings - the boulder incident being one.

    I also mentioned the bad behaviour of the galleries he attracts and as an example
    I mentioned the abuse showered on Rory M and Justin Thomas among others last weekend - something that only seems to happen when Tiger is in the field.

    Was that one recent enough for you?

    So basically pretty much everything you dislike is not anything he has done but stuff that is done to him or around him.

    See post 1,764.


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    #1739
    First Up
    Registered Users Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    agusta wrote: »
    First Up wrote: »
    Ah, if only it was all that simple.
    Its is that simple.I dont see any negatives.Every player on the pga tour is delighted he is back

    Having him back is fine.

    Having all the sh*t that goes with it is not.


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    #1740
    AGC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭AGC


    Sergio just had some idiot thrown out.....they are everywhere even when Tiger not around


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    #1741
    agusta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭agusta


    What about all the abuse Colin Montgomerie got when he played in America.Some say he brought it on himself. Justin Thomas certainly had fans ganging up on him in the tournament for not calling fore.
    https://www.independent.ie/sport/golf/watch-justin-thomas-criticised-for-not-shouting-fore-as-his-drive-hits-spectator-on-the-head-36639027.html


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