Eastenders [News, Spoilers and Discussion - from Feb 2015]

starlit

I had to replay Max and Abi scene a few times on sky+, thinking he said it was Abi but I think he just said it so fast that he just reiterated that Lauren knows. Its a twist I say its not Abi since the live reveal isn't to expose the truth till live showing on Thursday? I thought it been abi but think its someone else now based on Jane's behaviour.

Zippie84

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Unless live comes on the screen in writing, I haven't the foggiest what is live or not tbh

Even though it didn't say #EELive (On MY tv screen) on the first scene, I could tell it was live, but can't quite figure out why.

lulu1

Zippie84 wrote: »

have you got that a bit muddled?

Dont think so why???:)

Zippie84

fr336 wrote: »

Friday is completely live.

Other days the writing will come up

IF it comes up / can be seen on screen

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Zippie84 wrote: »

Even though it didn't say #EELive (On MY tv screen) on the first scene, I could tell it was live, but can't quite figure out why.

What channel or how were you watching, out of interest? RTÉ?

JP Liz V1

They will have to know who the killer is, as future episodes have already been filmed

Zippie84

Also Starring LeVar Burton wrote: »

What channel or how were you watching, out of interest? RTÉ?

No. BBC1 in the scottish borders.

I think it's potentially due to them choosing the colour grey, which may have been hard to see the other side of room, potentially due to contrast on screen, no idea.

I say 'potentially' cos I really have no idea.

All I know is I'm getting a little wound up by people saying that it genuinely wasn't visible on their screen, and people telling them it was on theirs, and talking to them like they were thick (what does that achieve, still doesn't change the fact that the original person couldn't see it), and loads of people on facebook and twitter complaining to eastenders that they couldn't see it in the same scenes either.

starlit

Zippie84 wrote: »

Well, even the actors on set aren't quite sure what Jake Wood said

https://twitter.com/matt_diangelo/status/567778664495198208

I think he actually said 'who killed lucy' rather than 'you killed lucy' to abi.

Zippie84

From the Mirror:

EastEnders live: Did Max Branning mess up his lines for Lucy Beale murder bombshell?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/eastenders-live-max-branning-mess-5181129

Zippie84

doovdela wrote: »

I think he actually said 'who killed lucy' rather than 'you killed lucy' to abi.

how come the subtitles say 'you killed Lucy'?

fr336

Zippie84 wrote: »

No. BBC1 in the scottish borders.

I think it's potentially due to them choosing the colour grey, which may have been hard to see the other side of room, potentially due to contrast on screen, no idea.

Yep definitely the BBC's fault :P

Knowing a bit about these technical set ups I would have thought that the 'EE Live' message would have come straight from the main programme output i.e. Elstree studios and EE production rather than seperate feeds for BBC England, Scotland, RTE etc. Could be wrong but it would be odd if this wasn't the case.

emanresu esrever

just watched it, i think max may be alluding to the fact that both him and abi arent sure WHETHER abi killed lucy but they suspect Lauren knows WHETHER abi did or didnt kill her. very smart.

i think this eliminates abi definitely

Zippie84

fr336 wrote: »

Yep definitely the BBC's fault :P

Knowing a bit about these technical set ups I would have thought that the 'EE Live' message would have come straight from the main programme output i.e. Elstree studios and EE production rather than seperate feeds for BBC England, Scotland, RTE etc. Could be wrong but it would be odd if this wasn't the case.

yes it would be odd, and I highly doubt it is the case. I'm not even bothered about the reason. As I said I just find it annoying the way people are treating people, and it's not like people on here are the only ones who didn't see it.

I've suggested red writing to them for tomorrow night rather than grey.

starlit

Zippie84 wrote: »

how come the subtitles say 'you killed Lucy'?

Oh right did it, I thought initially it was 'you' but listened again a few times seems like 'who'. He said it so fast its hard to know which word he meant to say or else its what he said and subtitles are correct that he said 'you'. Its probably a twist as the reveal isn't till Thursday.

He said 'whether' as well I think so maybe it just a word thrown in so its still questionable.

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Zippie84 wrote: »

No. BBC1 in the scottish borders.

I think it's potentially due to them choosing the colour grey, which may have been hard to see the other side of room, potentially due to contrast on screen, no idea.

I say 'potentially' cos I really have no idea.

All I know is I'm getting a little wound up by people saying that it genuinely wasn't visible on their screen, and people telling them it was on theirs, and talking to them like they were thick (what does that achieve, still doesn't change the fact that the original person couldn't see it), and loads of people on facebook and twitter complaining to eastenders that they couldn't see it in the same scenes either.

Such is the nature of the internet... no matter what you say, someone will say the opposite or jump down your throat. Things also have a tendency to be taken the wrong way in text, due to lack of tone, which can also lead to people locking horns.

For the record, I was genuinely just interested in what network you were watching on, because I had heard RTÉ actually messed up the first scene, hence asking if that was the channel.

Zippie84

doovdela wrote: »

Oh right did it, I thought initially it was 'you' but listened again a few times seems like 'who'. He said it so fast its hard to know which word he meant to say or else its what he said and subtitles are correct that he said 'you'. Its probably a twist as the reveal isn't till Thursday.

He said 'whether' as well I think so maybe it just a word thrown in so its still questionable.

yep, there's a few pages here debating what he said, and the screenshot of the subtitles.

also, some who think that he said 'well, that you killed Lucy' which it sounds very like.

Zippie84

Also Starring LeVar Burton wrote: »

Such is the nature of the internet... no matter what you say, someone will say the opposite or jump down your throat. Things also have a tendency to be taken the wrong way in text, due to lack of tone, which can also lead to people locking horns.

For the record, I was genuinely just interested in what network you were watching on, because I had heard RTÉ actually messed up the first scene, hence asking if that was the channel.

Thanks for the reassurance

I agree, people will jump down your throat online no matter what, and I'm like 'I'm the one who was looking at my tv, not you' :P And if I was the only one, rather than hundreds or more on the internet, then I'd definitely say it's just me being silly.

Doing that thing where you know you're getting wound up over something trivial, but still hard to pull back lol. :P Will get a life sometime soon.

mylittlepony

UPDATE
Subtitles eastenders bbc 3 @ 10:30pm
'Whether you kill lucy'
That sorted.

Zippie84

lulu1 wrote: »

Dont think so why???:)

Because Ian didn't say 'It's not your fault Sharon'

and Sharon didn't say 'Oh yes it is' ?

Zippie84

mylittlepony wrote: »

UPDATE
Subtitles eastenders bbc 3 @ 10:30pm
'Whether you kill lucy'
That sorted.

oooh that's interesting. they've changed the subtitles from those they have on iplayer. how strange.

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doovdela wrote: »

He said 'whether' as well I think so maybe it just a word thrown in so its still questionable.

A lot of people heard 'well that, you killed lucy' rather than 'whether you killed lucy', but just in Max's EastEnd accent 'well that' sounds a bit like 'whether'.

I've listened to it a few times and I can only hear, "Well that, you killed Lucy", which is what I heard the first time, before seeing other people had heard different variations...

Interesting that the words can be heard in different ways. 'Well that' or 'whether' was probably an adlib, so only Jake Wood himself can say exactly what he said...

ShazGV

Zippie84 wrote: »

All I know is I'm getting a little wound up by people saying that it genuinely wasn't visible on their screen, and people telling them it was on theirs, and talking to them like they were thick (what does that achieve, still doesn't change the fact that the original person couldn't see it), and loads of people on facebook and twitter complaining to eastenders that they couldn't see it in the same scenes either.

That seems to be happening quite a bit lately with such minor little things (not just the hashtag, but things relating to the murder and such).

Fair enough some of us catch little details or pick up on clues because we watch every episode, but it's annoying to see others scoff at casual viewers for not knowing something or even asking a question. It happens a lot on other forums, which I don't frequent for that very reason.

emanresu esrever

Zippie84 wrote: »

oooh that's interesting. they've changed the subtitles from those they have on iplayer. how strange.

not that strange. you have to remember bbc dont know who killed lucy. their subtitles are done on the live segments as per their speedy typing (voice recognition typing) .

ever watch any live programme with subtitles, the amount of errors are huge (and understandable)

he 100 % said and i sure meant to say whether.

fr336

emanresu esrever wrote: »

not that strange. you have to remember bbc dont know who killed lucy. their subtitles are done on the live segments as per their speedy typing (voice recognition typing) .

ever watch any live programme with subtitles, the amount of errors are huge (and understandable)

he 100 % said and i sure meant to say whether.

So who does then :eek::eek::eek:

emanresu esrever

ps can we talk about the show and not the technical things on the screen!! i understand its annoying but if you spent the episode looking out for a little hashtag trying to cop which scene is live or not you will miss a lot. And its also clogging up what is going to be a mentally crazy thread over next 4 days!

Zippie84

emanresu esrever wrote: »

not that strange. you have to remember bbc dont know who killed lucy. their subtitles are done on the live segments as per their speedy typing (voice recognition typing) .

ever watch any live programme with subtitles, the amount of errors are huge (and understandable)

he 100 % said and i sure meant to say whether.

As I mentioned earlier, yes I've watched live programmes with subtitles, but I would see this as different, as it is live but scripted so those doing subtitles aren't just all about speedy typing and voice recognition, they already know what should be said, and would, I expect, have subtitles prepared, and I still stand by my claim that for me it's strange and interesting as it suggested that Jake Wood deviated from the script.

emanresu esrever

fr336 wrote: »

So who does then :eek::eek::eek:

the eastenders producer and a few writers. the bbc technical staff definitely dont! come on think about it!

lulu1

Zippie84 wrote: »

Because Ian didn't say 'It's not your fault Sharon'

and Sharon didn't say 'Oh yes it is' ?

Was it the other way about for the benefit of the not so sharp one here

Ps I still think I an is guilty:)

emanresu esrever

Zippie84 wrote: »

As I mentioned earlier, yes I've watched live programmes with subtitles, but I would see this as different, as it is live but scripted so those doing subtitles aren't just all about speedy typing and voice recognition, they already know what should be said, and would, I expect, have subtitles prepared, and I still stand by my claim that for me it's strange and interesting as it suggested that Jake Wood deviated from the script.

no no, no! the scenes that are live which will be linked to the killer WILL NOT BE KNOWN TO THE BBC SUBTITLES TEAM. not a chance.

JP Liz V1

Why is Phil looking for Ian, wonder what has he to tell him?

Zippie84

emanresu esrever wrote: »

ps can we talk about the show and not the technical things on the screen!!

If I am watching eastenders and discuss what I see on my tv screen, that is me discussing the show that I'm watching. Thanks anyhow.

Zippie84

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Why is Phil looking for Ian, wonder what has he to tell him?

yep I wonder. Not seen anything at any point that gives any idea what this is, from what I remember.

Zippie84

lulu1 wrote: »

Was it the other way about for the benefit of the not so sharp one here

Ps I still think I an is guilty:)

yep it was in the picture you were replying to.

I've no idea at this point tbh, other than those who it looks we can rule out

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Zippie84 wrote: »

Thanks for the reassurance

I agree, people will jump down your throat online no matter what, and I'm like 'I'm the one who was looking at my tv, not you' :P And if I was the only one, rather than hundreds or more on the internet, then I'd definitely say it's just me being silly.

Doing that thing where you know you're getting wound up over something trivial, but still hard to pull back lol. :P Will get a life sometime soon.

I'm pretty much the same, I get wound up over the most trivial things, both online and IRL, but you can hardly say anything online without someone having a go or contradicting when they probably wouldn't if you were having a discussion with them in a bar...

The worst is always when for example you say something like "I really enjoyed that episode of Eastenders" only for someone to reply to you saying, "No you're wrong, it's clearly shít because none of them can act and the writer don't know how to write" and you just want to reach in through the computer and slap that person across the face, but instead you just have to take a breath, roll your eyes and realise they're an idiot because they can't grasp the concept of differening opinions...

/End Rant

Zippie84

Also, I know so much of the focus obviously on the Lucy story and the wedding, but another very stupid thing - after spending a month and a half by Ronnie's bedside and talking to her, we're expected to believe that Roxy and Charlie forgot that she may be able to hear them, and started talking in front of her about them having been together??

Especially also given that they know now that she's breathing.

Hmmmnn Eastenders

emanresu esrever

Zippie84 wrote: »

If I am watching eastenders and discuss what I see on my tv screen, that is me discussing the show that I'm watching. Thanks anyhow.

oh come on, no need to be smart. im just saying for the benefit of the thread. and i wasnt saying it to anyone. im not telling you what to do but i think the thread will be more enjoyable if we concentrate more on show plot. sorry for suggestion.

LiamNeeson

I am confused by the ending as I hear that Jake Wood was meant to say "Who killed Lucy", but why would that be the ending as we all knew that Lauren knew who killed Lucy last week.

By the way how do RTE work the live scenes? do they not take their usual ad break or what?

ShazGV

Zippie84 wrote: »

Also, I know so much of the focus obviously on the Lucy story and the wedding, but another very stupid thing - after spending a month and a half by Ronnie's bedside and talking to her, we're expected to believe that Roxy and Charlie forgot that she may be able to hear them, and started talking in front of her about them having been together??

Especially also given that they know now that she's breathing.

Hmmmnn Eastenders

Thought the exact same thing myself earlier! They say that people in comas can hear you & that's why you're supposed to talk to them, and yet they choose right by Ronnie's beside to discuss their tryst. :rolleyes:

JP Liz V1

Zippie84 wrote: »

yep I wonder. Not seen anything at any point that gives any idea what this is, from what I remember.

As long as it isn't Ben killed Lucy


Richard Blackwood's character was looking for Ronnie and Phil knew him, another Mitchell perhaps, but he isn't bald or blonde or could he the son of Pete or Kathy as in a half brother for Ian and/or Ben

Zippie84

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

As long as it isn't Ben killed Lucy


Richard Blackwood's character was looking for Ronnie and Phil knew him, another Mitchell perhaps, but he isn't bald or blonde or could he the son of Pete or Kathy as in a half brother for Ian and/or Ben

Yep agree with as long as it isn't Ben killed Lucy, but see no way that Phil would just go and tell Ian if that was the case.

Hadn't thought of that re RB's character. Might make sense if that was a connection.

turffooter

emanresu esrever wrote: »

no no, no! the scenes that are live which will be linked to the killer WILL NOT BE KNOWN TO THE BBC SUBTITLES TEAM. not a chance.

exactly. such a secretive plot script would not be risked by releasing it to anyone other than a few insiders (writers and producers) and the actors at this stage.

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LiamNeeson wrote: »

I am confused by the ending as I hear that Jake Wood was meant to say "Who killed Lucy", but why would that be the ending as we all knew that Lauren knew who killed Lucy last week.

Lauren thinks she knows, but that doesn't mean she really knows. Emma may not have even known, although had a better chance of knowing since she confronted someone who was linked to the murder.

Where did you hear that Jake Wood meant to say "Who Killed Lucy"? Unless Dominic Treadwell Collins comes out and says that Wood f**ked up the line, I wouldn't be quick to believe any other sources...

JP Liz V1

Zippie84 wrote: »

Yep agree with as long as it isn't Ben killed Lucy, but see no way that Phil would just go and tell Ian if that was the case.

Hadn't thought of that re RB's character. Might make sense if that was a connection.

Or could be Ronnie's "husband"

Zippie84

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Or could be Ronnie's "husband"

This is relevant, although it doesn't really reveal much: http://metro.co.uk/2015/02/17/who-is-richard-blackwoods-character-and-how-does-he-know-ronnie-5-questions-surrounding-his-mysterious-eastenders-arrival-5067641/

Zippie84

ShazGV wrote: »

Thought the exact same thing myself earlier! They say that people in comas can hear you & that's why you're supposed to talk to them, and yet they choose right by Ronnie's beside to discuss their tryst. :rolleyes:

Yep. Taking the audience for fools for the sake of drama. Huh

JP Liz V1

I would love a shock surprise unleaked so not spoilered return this week *coughs* Grant Mitchell back for Jane, Kathy Beale Mitchell alive, Michelle Fowler and her son Mark from Grant Mitchell

emanresu esrever

turffooter wrote: »

exactly. such a secretive plot script would not be risked by releasing it to anyone other than a few insiders (writers and producers) and the actors at this stage.

"She Knows"



Knows what??




"Wellard and Blue Killed Lucy"

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JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I would love a shock surprise unleaked so not spoilered return this week *coughs* Grant Mitchell back for Jane, Kathy Beale Mitchell alive, Michelle Fowler and her son Mark from Grant Mitchell

Paul Trueman back would be great... We never saw him die, so it could be possible...

Maybe he went into witness protection under a different name, where more recently he met Kim (because they never met previously) married her and is the father of her child... He comes back when he finds out the baby is born and reveals all to Patrick... One can only hope...

Zippie84

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I would love a shock surprise unleaked so not spoilered return this week *coughs* Grant Mitchell back for Jane, Kathy Beale Mitchell alive, Michelle Fowler and her son Mark from Grant Mitchell

Definitely! I could actually see some shock of an unleaked shocker happening, and would be happy with most things as a good surprise except a person back from the dead lol. There's already so much unrealism and suspending belief in that one episode alone :P

Zippie84

Also Starring LeVar Burton wrote: »

Paul Trueman back would be great... We never saw him die, so it could be possible...

Maybe he went into witness protection under a different name, where more recently he met Kim (because they never met previously) married her and is the father of her child... He comes back when he finds out the baby is born and reveals all to Patrick... One can only hope...

Aww and it would be Patrick's grandchild. that's a really sweet idea.