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Man gets €840 a week on welfare

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    #362
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    Smidge wrote: »
    What are people not getting about this?
    €188 + €124.80 +€29.80 x 5
    Plus the universal CB payment. :confused:

    =€466



    Eight children = 1,080/month
    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/social_welfare_payments_to_families_and_children/child_benefit.html


    Does not compute to €840, where is he getting the other €124?
    Try again


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    #363
    EazyD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭EazyD


    Smidge wrote: »
    What are people not getting about this?
    €188 + €124.80 +€29.80 x 5
    Plus the universal CB payment. :confused:

    What are you not getting? It is not normal in a civilised society to have that many kids. Sure if you want to and have the financial means to do so fire away.

    Except these people don't and do so in the knowledge that the state (us) will pay for each and every one of them.


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    #364
    evo2000
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭evo2000


    Smidge wrote: »
    What are people not getting about this?
    €188 + €124.80 +€29.80 x 5
    Plus the universal CB payment. :confused:

    What are you not getting about this, he most likely is going to St Vincent the paul they then supply coal,food,toys, clothes, repairs loads of things to anyone that asks them they are a great organisation albeit abit vulnerable...

    But of course in you re fairy tale world no one would scam them, especially not travellers...

    Meanwhile in reality, a good amount of travellers take advantage of the social welfare system, while availing of the many good charitys around the places good will,

    Honestly you must have lived a very sheltered life or something to not think this sort of stuff is going on seriously dude...


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    #365
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Smidge wrote: »
    What are people not getting about this?
    €188 + €124.80 +€29.80 x 5
    Plus the universal CB payment. :confused:

    And all the extras like medical cards, back to school and he might be entitled to them but morally having eight children while on welfare is completely irresponsible.


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    #366
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    bjork wrote: »
    =€466



    Eight children = 1,080/month
    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/social_welfare_payments_to_families_and_children/child_benefit.html


    Does not compute to €840
    Try again

    No idea why you're quoting me, I didnt through out that figure to begin with


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    #367
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    Smidge wrote: »
    No idea why you're quoting me, I didnt through out that figure to begin with

    I thought you "got" the figures as you expressed disbelief that no one else "got" it. As you re quoted them, I presumed you approved.


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    #368
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    eviltwin wrote: »
    And all the extras like medical cards, back to school and he might be entitled to them but morally having eight children while on welfare is completely irresponsible.

    Morals are a funny thing.
    Seems that people only find them inflamed when it suits their own purpose.


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    #369
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    bjork wrote: »
    I thought you "got" the figures as you expressed disbelief that no one else "got" it. As you re quoted them, I presumed you approved.

    Go back and re read so


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    #370
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Smidge wrote: »
    Morals are a funny thing.
    Seems that people only find them inflamed when it suits their own purpose.

    Do you think it's responsible to have so many kids when you're on welfare?


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    #371
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    fran oconnor wrote: »
    Maybe if he hadn't got it so handy he'd think twice before blowing his beans in his bird.

    he wouldn't. the "if you do x people will think twice about doing y" doesn't work

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #372
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Do you think it's responsible to have so many kids when you're on welfare?

    That's not for me to decide. Again, I'm not the morals police. To turn this into an issue of morality/responsiblity is totally taking away from the initial point of the thread tbh.


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    #373
    evo2000
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭evo2000


    Smidge wrote: »
    That's not for me to decide. Again, I'm not the morals police. To turn this into an issue of morality is totally taking away from the initial point of the thread tbh.

    Wow talk about side stepping, you know your wrong and ur just talkin ****e now, of course its not the brightest idea in the world to have 50 children if you can only afford to fed urself..


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    #374
    fran oconnor
    Registered Users Posts: 662 ✭✭✭fran oconnor


    evo2000 wrote: »
    What are you not getting about this, he most likely is going to St Vincent the paul they then supply coal,food,toys, clothes, repairs loads of things to anyone that asks them they are a great organisation albeit abit vulnerable...

    But of course in you re fairy tale world no one would scam them, especially not travellers...

    Meanwhile in reality, a good amount of travellers take advantage of the social welfare system, while availing of the many good charitys around the places good will,

    Honestly you must have lived a very sheltered life or something to not think this sort of stuff is going on seriously dude...
    \Couldn't agree more, the amount of people that speak this type of nonsense I'd love to meet and find out where they were brought up. I'm from tallaght myself, come from a hard working back round but have seen these so called "travellers" and general work dodgers first hand. They are the type of people that are able to go away on two holidays a year while people that actually work get screwed.


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    #375
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    fran oconnor wrote: »
    the PC ****

    no such thing.
    fran oconnor wrote: »
    defend the likes of this person.

    nobody is "defending" anyone. just giving the facts.
    fran oconnor wrote: »
    If he can't afford kids he shouldn't have them.

    i agree, but he has had them and they have to be looked after. its not the childrens fault they were born

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #376
    evo2000
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭evo2000


    Smidge wrote: »
    Morals are a funny thing.
    Seems that people only find them inflamed when it suits their own purpose.

    Alot of the people in question dont seem to have an issue with morals either when they scam old ladys for tarmac, or let me guess that doesnt happen either because i cant prove it...


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    #377
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    evo2000 wrote: »
    Wow talk about side stepping, you know your wrong and ur just talkin ****e now, of course its not the brightest idea in the world to have 50 children if you can only afford to fed urself..

    Evo,
    Grown ups are talking now.


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    #378
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users Posts: 7,552 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    EoghanIRL wrote: »
    When will Ireland learn that there should be no social welfare at all .

    Cool, yeah, what are the genuine people who are down on their luck and lost their jobs going to do? You know, the majority? You're planning on cutting social welfare completely, just because a few people take the piss?


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    #379
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Smidge wrote: »
    That's not for me to decide. Again, I'm not the morals police. To turn this into an issue of morality/responsiblity is totally taking away from the initial point of the thread tbh.

    Then think about your responsibility as a parent. Part of that is only bringing children into the world that you can afford, that you can raise to be decent members of society. Having additional children while on welfare is unfair on them. They have no choice.


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    #380
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    evo2000 wrote: »
    Wow talk about side stepping

    yeah, because he's not giving you the answer you want to hear.
    evo2000 wrote: »
    you know your wrong

    he knows for a fact he's not wrong as he's not wrong.
    evo2000 wrote: »
    ur just talkin ****e now

    i'd re-read your posts TBH

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #381
    fran oconnor
    Registered Users Posts: 662 ✭✭✭fran oconnor


    end of the road wrote: »
    no such thing.



    nobody is "defending" anyone. just giving the facts.



    i agree, but he has had them and they have to be looked after. its not the childrens fault they were born
    If he can't afford them then he should be made to work, If that's in some community type job for work experience then so be it. have him landscaping cleaning the streets or doing something to repay.


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    #382
    evo2000
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭evo2000


    end of the road wrote: »
    yeah, because he's not giving you the answer you want to hear.



    he knows for a fact he's not wrong as he's not wrong.



    i'd re-read your posts TBH

    His not giving any answers and his not being realistic, he honestly has no idea... his views are very gullible...


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    #383
    fran oconnor
    Registered Users Posts: 662 ✭✭✭fran oconnor


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Then think about your responsibility as a parent. Part of that is only bringing children into the world that you can afford, that you can raise to be decent members of society. Having additional children while on welfare is unfair on them. They have no choice.
    I no for a fact that I made the decision no to have a kid because I couldn't afford to, I now have a little girl but at this moment in time we couldn't have another and I won't unless something changes.


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    #384
    evo2000
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭evo2000


    end of the road wrote: »
    no such thing.



    nobody is "defending" anyone. just giving the facts.



    i agree, but he has had them and they have to be looked after. its not the childrens fault they were born

    You seem to think that some of em dont go out of there way to have children lol you realise some of em are aware if they have children they can make a nice living from doing very little, it might sound outlandish to you but it is happening,


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    #385
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Then think about your responsibility as a parent. Part of that is only bringing children into the world that you can afford, that you can raise to be decent members of society. Having additional children while on welfare is unfair on them. They have no choice.

    In principle, I agree(i have 2 children, an average Irish family :))

    My point in this whole thread is this.....

    Stupid inflammatory article in a newspaper is used as yet more fodder for the almost daily dole bashing thread.
    It is enhanced by the fact that the article is about a traveller.
    Kerching. More AH fap fodder.

    Then you only have to read the likes of the drivel posted by Evo etc about the majority of travellers having 2015 cars, Rathfarnham addresses(heaven forfend!)and the majority of them being crooks and criminals and gangster etc.
    I'm not here to defend the travelling community on these charges. There is NO doubt in my mind that there are a lot of their members involved in these activities. But does this have any relevence to his SW payment as per DSP?
    No. It doesn't. But don't let this get in the way of the baying crowd in relation to SW.


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    #386
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    EazyD wrote: »
    What are you not getting? It is not normal in a civilised society to have that many kids. Sure if you want to and have the financial means to do so fire away.

    Except these people don't and do so in the knowledge that the state (us) will pay for each and every one of them.

    So your proposal is to scrap CB uniformly?


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    #387
    evo2000
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭evo2000


    Smidge wrote: »
    In principle, I agree(i have 2 children, an average Irish family :))

    My point in this whole thread is this.....

    Stupid inflammatory article in a newspaper is used as yet more fodder for the almost daily dole bashing thread.
    It is enhanced by the fact that the article is about a traveller.
    Kerching. More AH fap fodder.

    Then you only have to read the likes of the drivel posted by Evo etc about the majority of travellers having 2015 cars, Rathfarnham addresses(heaven forfend!)and the majority of them being crooks and criminals and gangster etc.
    I'm not here to defend the travelling community on these charges. There is NO doubt in my mind that there are a lot of their members involved in these activities. But does this have any relevence to his SW payment as per DSP?
    No. It doesn't. But don't let this get in the way of the baying crowd in relation to SW.

    I dont know how to explain this any clearer to you, alot of them pocket that SW payment and buy things like 2015 vans, meanwhile using St vincent the paul to look after alot of the rest,

    As i said man you must have lived a very sheltered life...


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    #388
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    evo2000 wrote: »
    I dont know how to explain this any clearer to you, alot of them pocket that SW payment and buy things like 2015 vans, meanwhile using St vincent the paul to look after alot of the rest,

    As i said man you must have lived a very sheltered life...

    And again, shush :D
    Isn't it your beddiebys time yet?


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    #389
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    evo2000 wrote: »
    his views are very gullible...
    Are you Google translating from some other language? WTF does that even mean?


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    #390
    evo2000
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭evo2000


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Are you Google translating from some other language? WTF does that even mean?

    Thats what im doing you got me! :eek:


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    #391
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    fran oconnor wrote: »
    I no for a fact that I made the decision no to have a kid because I couldn't afford to, I now have a little girl but at this moment in time we couldn't have another and I won't unless something changes.
    How does this fit with us being told you cream it in with each extra kid you have? Surely you should have a few more and retire in luxury?


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