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Man gets €840 a week on welfare

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    #422
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Tugboats wrote: »
    Sorry I don't consider it my job
    good for you. you would rather they were left to starve and die. thats disgusting, you should be ashamed. i'd rather be of the belief that it is our job to ensure they are looked after rather then be of the belief they should be left to starve and die

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #423
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users Posts: 7,552 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    evo2000 wrote: »
    What about giving them social welfare for say a year and after that you have to work for it, im all for genuine people getting help and think social welfare as whole is a great thing, my grievance is with the blatant manipulation of it by some people that are basically making a career out of it... (even tho i know alot of people on here don't believe that exists)

    Then why punish the majority for a small minority?


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    #424
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Pataman wrote: »
    What happens when all the kids grow up and follow in their fathers footsteps?? Exponential growth and cost to the state.
    Travellers have been around for yonks and there's only 20-30,000 of them. If that's exponential growth they're not doing it right.


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    #425
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    evo2000 wrote: »
    What about giving them social welfare for say a year and after that you have to work for it, im all for genuine people getting help and think social welfare as whole is a great thing, my grievance is with the blatant manipulation of it by some people that are basically making a career out of it... (even tho i know alot of people on here don't believe that exists)

    Who wants to break the news to Evo about Jobsbridge/Tus etc? :D


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    #426
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    evo2000 wrote: »
    (even tho i know alot of people on here don't believe that exists)
    Any chance you'd point to where somebody has said SW fraud doesn't exist? Be specific now. No, saying it's obvious or calling us thick isn't really evidence I'm afraid.


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    #427
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Who scams the most money in Ireland... hmm, I was going to say "bankers" or "developers" who conned us out of billions but the answer you probably want is "some McDonagh guy with 8 kids on 840 a week".
    Not to mention the car tax and insurance as well as free legal aid and fre taxi to the court and also home, then there is the cost of all the work the Gardai and other state organisations have had to do because this guy is such drain on state resources
    Smidge wrote: »
    What are people not getting about this?
    €188 + €124.80 +€29.80 x 5 8
    Plus the universal CB payment. :confused:
    bjork wrote: »
    =€466



    Eight children = 1,080/month
    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/social_welfare_payments_to_families_and_children/child_benefit.html


    Does not compute to €840, where is he getting the other €124?
    Try again
    It is a basic payment of €188 + €20 fuel + €124 dependant adult + €29.80 x 8 children. Add the child benefit and this adds to €810.4 weekly but There may be other payments given by social/community welfare because of the number of children? or if one or more are classed as disabled they will be getting payments for that.

    Add to this the medical card as well as practically free housing and other benefits.
    fran oconnor wrote: »
    If he can't afford them then he should be made to work, If that's in some community type job for work experience then so be it. have him landscaping cleaning the streets or doing something to repay.
    But the only sanction open to those not inclined to work is to stop their payments and those of their families!


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    #428
    fran oconnor
    Registered Users Posts: 662 ✭✭✭fran oconnor


    sup_dude wrote: »
    Because every parent who made a mistake or contraception failed is automatically a scronger....
    No but for it to happen 8 times you are taking the piss. Like I said earlier, I think payments should stop after 2 kids.


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    #429
    evo2000
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭evo2000


    sup_dude wrote: »
    Then why punish the majority for a small minority?

    Is pulling you re weight really, a punishment? plus giving people something to is a good thing i think, i mean i think its fair enuff to give someone a year to get back on there feet in terms of work


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    #430
    Pataman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,535 ✭✭✭Pataman


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Travellers have been around for yonks and there's only 20-30,000 of them. If that's exponential growth they're not doing it right.

    If they all have 8 sprogs, their numbers will surely grow.


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    #431
    fran oconnor
    Registered Users Posts: 662 ✭✭✭fran oconnor


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    Not to mention the car tax and insurance as well as free legal aid and fre taxi to the court and also home, then there is the cost of all the work the Gardai and other state organisations have had to do because this guy is such drain on state resources


    It is a basic payment of €188 + €20 fuel + €124 dependant adult + €29.80 x 8 children. Add the child benefit and this adds to €810.4 weekly but There may be other payments given by social/community welfare because of the number of children? or if one or more are classed as disabled they will be getting payments for that.

    Add to this the medical card as well as practically free housing and other benefits.

    But the only sanction open to those not inclined to work is to stop their payments and those of their families!
    Why would he not be inclined to work?. Stop handing out hard cash to them then, come up with a voucher type situation so the kids don't go hungry.


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    #432
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users Posts: 7,552 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    fran oconnor wrote: »
    No but for it to happen 8 times you are taking the piss. Like I said earlier, I think payments should stop after 2 kids.

    Yes, it is taking the piss. However, just because someone makes a mistake or contraception fails, doesn't mean there's just gonna go ahead and have 8 children all at once. Also, if there's a limit of two children, it should come into practice for new parents now, and not those already in existence
    evo2000 wrote: »
    Is pulling you re weight really, a punishment? plus giving people something to is a good thing i think, i mean i think its fair enuff to give someone a year to get back on there feet in terms of work

    What about people who can't work?


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    #433
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    Not to mention the car tax and insurance as well as free legal aid and fre taxi to the court and also home, then there is the cost of all the work the Gardai and other state organisations have had to do because this guy is such drain on state resources


    It is a basic payment of €188 + €20 fuel + €124 dependant adult + €29.80 x 8 children. Add the child benefit and this adds to €810.4 weekly but There may be other payments given by social/community welfare because of the number of children? or if one or more are classed as disabled they will be getting payments for that.

    Add to this the medical card as well as practically free housing and other benefits.

    But the only sanction open to those not inclined to work is to stop their payments and those of their families!

    Typo there by me. Meant 8, not 5 but still doesn't change my point and also, the fuel is not paid for the year(6 months)


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    #434
    Tugboats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭Tugboats


    It's not all bad news apparently the life expectancy for Mr Mcdonagh and co is 61.7 so we save on pensions


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    #435
    evo2000
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭evo2000


    sup_dude wrote: »
    Yes, it is taking the piss. However, just because someone makes a mistake or contraception fails, doesn't mean there's just gonna go ahead and have 8 children all at once. Also, if there's a limit of two children, it should come into practice for new parents now, and not those already in existence



    What about people who can't work?

    Drag them out and beat them till they can work!!

    Nah if you cant work you cant work, still give em the money


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    #436
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users Posts: 7,552 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    fran oconnor wrote: »
    Why would he not be inclined to work?. Stop handing out hard cash to them then, come up with a voucher type situation so the kids don't go hungry.

    That works so well in America... And won't at all mortify those who genuinely need SW. Again, punishing the majority for the actions of a small minority.


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    #437
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Pataman wrote: »
    If they all have 8 sprogs, their numbers will surely grow.
    Well the evidence we have says it isn't. What do I go with, data or "surely"?


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    #438
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    fran oconnor wrote: »
    No but for it to happen 8 times you are taking the piss. Like I said earlier, I think payments should stop after 2 kids.

    Do you have children?


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    #439
    worded
    Registered Users Posts: 4,574 ✭✭✭worded


    Id say if the stats for long term unrmployed and large family sizes were known it would be an eye opener.


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    #440
    evo2000
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭evo2000


    sup_dude wrote: »
    That works so well in America... And won't at all mortify those who genuinely need SW. Again, punishing the majority for the actions of a small minority.

    Isnt being made que up in a post office on a certain day for money mortifying ?


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    #441
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    sup_dude wrote: »
    That works so well in America... And won't at all mortify those who genuinely need SW. Again, punishing the majority for the actions of a small minority.

    And also, vouchers can't be sold on black market or lead to a monopoly in the suppliers for these vouchers ;)


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    #442
    evo2000
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭evo2000


    Smidge wrote: »
    And also, vouchers can't be sold on black market or lead to a monopoly in the suppliers for these vouchers ;)

    Not in you re fairy tale world anyway! lol


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    #443
    Tugboats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭Tugboats


    evo2000 wrote: »
    Isnt being made que up in a post office on a certain day for money not mortifying ?

    It must be boring and time consuming as they que up at different post offices in different counties


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    #444
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    evo2000 wrote: »
    Not in you re fairy tale world anyway! lol

    Go home Evo, you're embarrassing yourself now.


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    #445
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users Posts: 7,552 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    evo2000 wrote: »
    Isnt being made que up in a post office on a certain day for money mortifying ?

    I would imagine it is. So why would you add to it by basically marking out those on SW as seperate from others in society? Are people on SW not allowed any sort of dignity?


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    #446
    evo2000
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭evo2000


    Smidge wrote: »
    Go home Evo, you're embarrassing yourself now.

    I am at home


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    #447
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    fran oconnor wrote: »
    Why would he not be inclined to work?. Stop handing out hard cash to them then, come up with a voucher type situation so the kids don't go hungry.

    That would cost much more than it would save especially considering the attitude towards entitlement and "helping yourself" in this country those handing out the vouchers would have many fingers in the till!

    A better solution would be home raids where valuable items like 60inch tellys and €400 games consoles are confiscated and any cars taken away as someone on welfare with any kids can't afford a car!


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    #448
    evo2000
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭evo2000


    sup_dude wrote: »
    I would imagine it is. So why would you add to it by basically marking out those on SW as seperate from others in society? Are people on SW not allowed any sort of dignity?

    True i guess


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    #449
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    worded wrote: »
    Id say if the stats for long term unrmployed and large family sizes were known it would be an eye opener.

    I'd be more interested in the stats of people who the Gardai have to deal with drunk at 9.30 am and their demographic.


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    #450
    Tugboats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭Tugboats


    bjork wrote: »
    I'd be more interested in the stats of people who the Gardai have to deal with drunk at 9.30 am and their demographic.

    The polish built this country leave them out of this


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    #451
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    Tugboats wrote: »
    The polish built this country leave them out of this

    You're going to be in trouble for that one :D

    In fairness, it could be the travellers, the polish or just the damn pesky teenagers for that matter. Take your pick in the pis5head stakes.


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