private shooting range

Zxthinger

Cass wrote: »

Erm nope. That's a target, hence target shooting.


No grey area. Zeroing is classed as target shooting. It was made part of target shooting "in error" as the minister later admitted but he never repealed that little nugget to make it legal to zero your rifle outside of a range.

SI 622/2011 covers everything from a building and regulation perspective. So whether it's just you or 1,000 people they all must meet set criteria. Coupled with fees, etc. and it's not a cheap or easy endeavour.

What does the act mean when it says "random firing" in part 3(2)?

Grizzly 45

It would be also a great help if we knew which way our freakin gun laws are going! I have a 150k minimum project sitting on hold for the last four years in my back yard to open a semi indoor range here in Limerick that initially was going to be private,but has become a possibility of becoming a club because of intrest expressed by lots of pistoleros in the Munster region. I've done nowt with it because of the stupid carry on of our Cheif in refusing all and sundry and likewise the Super over the last six years.Trying to get three govt bodies to sing on the same hyme sheet which you need to get permissions off before the first shovel of cement is laid,while trying to keep people who want to invest money in the project is like trying to herd a pack of cats while shovelling mercury with a pitchfork at the same time.

Sparks

Zxthinger wrote: »

What does the act mean when it says "random firing" in part 3(2)?

I always understood it to mean things like accidental discharge, firing cleaning pellets through air rifles, that kind of thing.
It can't override the zeroing problem though, because an SI can't overrule an Act of the Oireachtas (which is why Brophy and McCarron both saw the Minister being ruled to have acted unlawfully).

Mind you, the first case taken to court on the zeroing issue is probably going to be lost by the AGS anyway; without a definition of target shooting in the Act, charging someone with doing it outside of a range is going to be tricky; there's precedent on this as well, someone was once charged with blasphemy in the High Court and the court threw it out because there wasn't a legal definition of blasphemy in the statutes at the time.

I still wouldn't want to be the poor sod who wound up being the test case though...

patsat

Sparks wrote: »

I always understood it to mean things like accidental discharge, firing cleaning pellets through air rifles, that kind of thing.
It can't override the zeroing problem though, because an SI can't overrule an Act of the Oireachtas (which is why Brophy and McCarron both saw the Minister being ruled to have acted unlawfully).

Mind you, the first case taken to court on the zeroing issue is probably going to be lost by the AGS anyway; without a definition of target shooting in the Act, charging someone with doing it outside of a range is going to be tricky; there's precedent on this as well, someone was once charged with blasphemy in the High Court and the court threw it out because there wasn't a legal definition of blasphemy in the statutes at the time.

I still wouldn't want to be the poor sod who wound up being the test case though...

So in other words, we have one free pass..... I must a lovely spot for some 100-800 yards steel shooting if anyone wants a go! :P

Sparks

patsat wrote: »

So in other words, we have one free pass..... I must a lovely spot for some 100-800 yards steel shooting if anyone wants a go! :P

No, we definitely don't. And target shooting outside of an authorised range has already seen people hauled up and warned about it. And if you're shooting at steel targets with what's obviously a target shooting setup, that'd compromise an otherwise straightforward test case.

You'd want to have someone who's plainly, obviously, hunting game or rabbits or whatever; who takes one shot for zeroing; and who's hauled in over that one shot.

Someone goes plinking at steel 800 yards out with a bull-barrelled F-class rifle and that's not going to be a straightforward test case at all.

(Plus, you could be done for other violations of the act if you were acting the eejit like that).

patsat

Sparks wrote: »

No, we definitely don't. And target shooting outside of an authorised range has already seen people hauled up and warned about it. And if you're shooting at steel targets with what's obviously a target shooting setup, that'd compromise an otherwise straightforward test case.

You'd want to have someone who's plainly, obviously, hunting game or rabbits or whatever; who takes one shot for zeroing; and who's hauled in over that one shot.

Someone goes plinking at steel 800 yards out with a bull-barrelled F-class rifle and that's not going to be a straightforward test case at all.

(Plus, you could be done for other violations of the act if you were acting the eejit like that).

The sarcasm was clearly lost on you Sheldon!

Sparks

patsat wrote: »

The sarcasm was clearly lost on you Sheldon!

Probably; but when you see lads posting videos of themselves on youtube doing exactly this with faces and licence plate numbers all clearly visible and then hear them complaining about how they got post they'd rather not have gotten from the powers that be, you get a bit worried that someone else isn't going to get the sarcasm; and you'd want your name nowhere within an ass's roar of that possibility either! :P

Zxthinger

Does anyone have a full list of the legislation that specifically relates to target shooting.
Some of it is in the CJA2006 and some is in SI 622/???? but is there more

Sparks

It's a wee bit too complex to ever know if you have the full list...

hexosan

Is there any hope of us ever been allowed target shoot on private land

Sparks

hexosan wrote: »

Is there any hope of us ever been allowed target shoot on private land

No, not in the way you're thinking of.