Isis burn pilot alive..

BlaasForRafa

liam24 wrote: »

Indonesia is paradise compared to most of the Middle East. And it's a Muslim country. How did that happen? Because it's been able to control its own affairs for the last few decades.

Well the best part of Indonesia is Bali, which coincidentally is the non-muslim bit.

volchitsa

liam24 wrote: »

Indonesia is paradise compared to most of the Middle East. And it's a Muslim country. How did that happen? Because it's been able to control its own affairs for the last few decades.

They were able to control other people's affairs too, and that wasn't exactly a paradise for those people.

Try googling East Timor, if you want to know what a paradise Indonesia has been for its non Muslim minorities.

liam24

volchitsa wrote: »

They were able to control other people's affairs too, and that wasn't exactly a paradise for those people.

Try googling East Timor, if you want to know what a paradise Indonesia has been for its non Muslim minorities.

Thank you for your irrelevant contribution.

volchitsa

It may be irrelevant, but since you seemed to be saying that Islam can be a perfectly peaceful religion, and you gave Indonesia as an example, it seems relevant to point out that Indonesia is only moderate in comparison with places like Saudi Arabia, and that in fact non Muslims there are not tolerated in the way we in the west understand the word.

And since I think you will find it hard to name any Muslim country where there is genuine freedom of religion, your theory that it is all the fault of the US and not related to Islam at all seems a little shaky.

liam24

volchitsa wrote: »

It may be irrelevant, but since you seemed to be saying that Islam can be a perfectly peaceful religion, and you gave Indonesia as an example, it seems relevant to point out that Indonesia is only moderate in comparison with places like Saudi Arabia, and that in fact non Muslims there are not tolerated in the way we in the west understand the word.

And since I think you will find it hard to name any Muslim country where there is genuine freedom of religion, your theory that it is all the fault of the US and not related to Islam at all seems a little shaky.

I think French, British and US imperialism have made it worse. But you'll find a reason to contradict that as well I'm sure.

volchitsa

No actually I agree. The US, in particular, made things a lot worse in the 60s and 70s when the CIA went around overthrowing "communist" (for which read "democratic but left-wing") regimes in favour of right-wing dictators.

The reaction to 9/11 was also a disaster, possibly starting with invading Afghanistan, but certainly at the point where Bush dragged his daddy's unfinished war into things. But it was a continuation of a disastrous strategy, not the start of it.

Which doesn't change the fact that there is a problem with Islam, because of its insistence on absolute belief, a ban on criticizing the prophet and his representants on earth etc. Christianity had to get over that decades ago, Islam hasn't, and possibly can't, unless there is a reformation. Something that looks unlikely to happen.

Foxhound38

I'm normally very anti-war but I'm not seeing any sort of option for dealing with scum like ISIS that doesn't involve putting plenty of boots and hardware on the ground and wiping them the fcuk out.

Precious flower

God, what they did was so barbaric! It's disgusting. However, I am in two minds about Jordan's reaction the old phrase "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" comes to mind. I think executing them was the wrong idea too extreme a reaction to another extreme act. I think any country cannot lose their heads against these people, basically not stoop to Isis' pathetic level. Saying that those Isis prisoners had a lot swifter and cleaner death than that poor pilot. You wonder how anyone group can be so deprived. It's like the Nazis, you can see one person doing it but an entire group of people and even some from stabler countries if you will in England and places coming over and doing that. You have to have a seriously sick personality to be able to carry out an act like that.

Tony EH

:rolleyes:

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This has gone full retard now...

Precious flower

Tony EH wrote: »

:rolleyes:

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This has gone full retard now...

Do you have an issue with what I posted? Maybe instead of insulting the thread and using nasty language you could contribute and debate your opinion like an educated and civil person?

evo2000

Tony EH wrote: »

:rolleyes:

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This has gone full retard now...

PRAISE THE LAWWWD!!

Tugboats

Tony EH wrote: »

:rolleyes:

*Unfollow Thread*

This has gone full retard now...

Are you really announcing to a bunch of strangers on a message board that you're leaving a thread? Jesus.....

evo2000

Tugboats wrote: »

Are you really announcing to a bunch of strangers on a message board that you're leaving a thread? Jesus.....

haha :D

BlaasForRafa

Tugboats wrote: »

Are you really announcing to a bunch of strangers on a message board that you're leaving a thread? Jesus.....

While putting on his cloak, top hat and flouncing out the door.

shedweller

volchitsa wrote: »

It may be irrelevant, but since you seemed to be saying that Islam can be a perfectly peaceful religion, and you gave Indonesia as an example, it seems relevant to point out that Indonesia is only moderate in comparison with places like Saudi Arabia, and that in fact non Muslims there are not tolerated in the way we in the west understand the word.

The lack of oil in indonesia might have a bearing on the matter. Western hands have been and will always meddle in the middle east for this.
Money hungry bastids.

BMMachine

evo2000 wrote: »

haha :D

Hi,
Can you tell me why you think the Kurds are the most effective group for 'taking it to 'em' ?

Sociopath2

shedweller wrote: »

The lack of oil in indonesia might have a bearing on the matter. Western hands have been and will always meddle in the middle east for this.
Money hungry bastids.

The sooner we develop an alternative power source the better.

The West will have energy security and can stay far far away from the middle east. The local powers can fight it out between themselves then.

Really, if the oil ran out, very few would care what's going on in the middle east. Just as is the case with large parts of Africa that have no direct influence on us.

Wurzelbert

shedweller wrote: »

The lack of oil in indonesia might have a bearing on the matter. Western hands have been and will always meddle in the middle east for this.
Money hungry bastids.

indonesia does have a substantial petroleum industry in fact...though it seems to be going down the drain now...not sure where they are with fracking and all that..

Tugboats

https://www.youtube.com/embed/zYQEU9y1z4I

Video released by Jordan

nokia69

Sociopath2 wrote: »

The sooner we develop an alternative power source the better.

The West will have energy security and can stay far far away from the middle east. The local powers can fight it out between themselves then.

oil, we don't need no stinkin' oil

BlaasForRafa

BMMachine wrote: »

Hi,
Can you tell me why you think the Kurds are the most effective group for 'taking it to 'em' ?

:rolleyes: That's been answered already, do try and keep up.

rolliepoley

Egginacup wrote: »

No....I won't. If you're going to make wild claims then expect them to be challenged.
The usual answer then is "I misspoke" or some drivel

Drivel?

Sisters' Role Off the Battlefield



1. Raising Mujahid Children



This is perhaps the most important role women can play in Jihad - raise their children to be brave and
loving, courageous and sensitive, and fearing none other than Allah. Raise them as such not only in
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1. Tell children bedtime stories of Shuhadaa and Mujahideen. You will find many such stories from the
life of the Prophet (peace be upon him), the Sahabah, and throughout Islamic history, including
contemporary times.

2. Emphasize, while disciplining young children, that they are not to hit a Muslim, but rather forgive, and
are only to get their anger out on the enemies of Allah who fight against Muslims. Teach them the
meaning of "Ashiddaa'u 'alal kuffari ruhamaa'u baynahum" (Strong against the disbelievers and merciful
among themselves). Make a makeshift enemy (could be a punching bag for instance) if you have to, and
encourage children (especially boys) to use it and build their strength as well as learn to control and
direct their anger.

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mental and physical loss that it contributes to. Compare this to the healthy aspects of engaging children
in play and sports that benefit them in terms of discipline and physical strength.



4. If you cannot eliminate the television completely, then at least use it only to show children videos that
will instill in them the love of Allah, the love of Islam, the love of the Mujahideen, and the love of Jihad fi
sabeelillah. Many Islamic videos as well as military training videos are available from various sources.

5. Only if you have acted upon items 3 and 4 above, it is a good idea to start your children young in
terms of introducing them (through safe toys) to target-shooting. Make it very clear who their target
should be and who their target should NOT be. This can be done through toy guns and toy military sets,
as well as by engaging in sports that develop good hand-eye coordination, such as darts and archery. If
you can spare the time to spend with your children and play military games with them in a fun way, and
get them interested in these (as opposed to other largely useless, but very popular games and sports),
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practice in front of them in your own home using their toys. Children learn by imitating what adults do.
Insha'Allah you will find them interested and imitating your actions and they will become disciplined
experts before you know it. Of course, if you own a real weapon, then please keep it totally out of young
children's reach and don't use it in front of them either.

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addition to being enjoyable, healthy, and fun:

Martial arts training

Swimming

Archery

Target-shooting (with different kinds of toy weapons)

Darts

Horse-back riding

Orienteering (learning to navigate your way in the woods)

Exercise (running, jogging, push-ups, etc.) to build stamina

Skiing

Driving (a range of different vehicles)



Camping / Survival Training (an excellent and enjoyable method of training!)



7. Get your young children interested in Jihad by getting military books (preferably with pictures) and
other similar books, CDs, videos, and by visiting web sites along with your children, and utilizing other
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the minimum being simple encouraging words and verses from the Qur'an that the young child will
never forget Insha-Allah.

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experience for the same reason that television is recommended against. However, if one's child has to
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violent and graphic (if any exist!) would be preferred over other largely useless but popular video
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Insha-Allah you and they will not be faced with internal battles once they start getting older and more
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which is the best case. And Allah knows best.

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clear what their goal is, as well as what it is not, by taking on any given profession - that their goal is to
serve Allah in the highest way possible (through Jihad) and not to accumulate wealth and physical
comforts for their own sake. It should be emphasized here that, no matter what profession is chosen,
even if it be with the intention of Jihad, still, basic military training is a must. In fact, military training is a
right of the children upon their parents.

http://archive.org/stream/SistersRoleInJihad/78644461-Sister-s-Role-in-
Jihad_djvu.txt

LuckyLloyd

Karl Stein wrote: »

ISIS planners are not stupid. They know if they can provoke a large scale reaction, by burning people alive, it would involve a hammering from the air first and foremost. ISIS fighters would run like **** to their bunkers and caves until the initial 'softening' up abated.

Then, when the bombing subsided, these guys would be out with Hi-Def cameras filming dead children being dug out of rubble. Within hours they'd have it slickly edited and all over every Islamist website on the internet. Cue thousands of disgruntled young men all over the world signing up to fight, local populations rallying around the resistance, millions of dollars pouring in from Saudi and Qatari benefactors, perhaps reprisals from extremists in the EU and everything becomes exponentially worse.

Want to hand these guys a propaganda victory like that?

Or maybe, just maybe it would be better to let them stew in their medieval ****-holes so that the rest of the region can see just how bad their lives could get if these guys gain support/ground.

Just want to say that your posting in this thread is top notch.

BMMachine

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

:rolleyes: That's been answered already, do try and keep up.

where?

Sociopath2

Sociopath2 wrote: »

"Who inside the region is gonna take on ISIS and win without outside help? so far the only ones i see taking it too em effectively is the kurds."

If this is the post you're referring to, I'm reading it as they have been the most effective force fighting so far, not that they will be.

The Iraqi army collapsed when confronted with ISIS. No other force has engaged or defeated ISIS on the scale the Peshmerga have so far.

http://www.aawsat.net/2014/12/article55339414

BMMachine, it was answered there and you're still getting tenses mixed up.

He said they have been, not that they would be in the future.

For someone who makes such a big deal about being intelligent, you're making yourself look anything but by badgering that poster over a statement you haven't grasped properly yourself.

BMMachine

Sociopath2 wrote: »

BMMachine, it was answered there and you're still getting tenses mixed up.

He said they have been, not that they would be in the future.

For someone who makes such a big deal about being intelligent, you're making yourself look anything but by badgering that poster over a statement you haven't grasped properly yourself.

so, according to the leaders of the Kurdish forces, they are the only effective ones in fighting ISIS. Then the article goes on to describe a war between the two groups, one which is heavily aided by western equipment and is also a cry for more help from the west, which to be fair would be expectant of the group.
and thats it.
Theres no talk about how these Kurdish forces have been fighting for years and years, even generations to create their own state with their own self interests at heart.
I don't know, it seems like self aggrandisement and propaganda more than anything of real strategy or value. But heck, you guys already swallow whole all the propaganda you like from western news sources so its not like you know a difference, right? I sincerely doubt the Kurdish forces have the ability to carry the fight to ISIS but like the Northern Alliance of Afghanistan they might make a nice chariot for western interests to ride. By the articles own admission the Kurds have taken heavy losses and casualties.

So yeah, a throwaway article which provides little to no depth ain't gonna cut it I'm afraid. Its back to you guys knowing f**k all again sorry bout that

evo2000

BMMachine wrote: »

where?

3 people have answered that for you so far, sociopath has dumbed it down as much as it cant be in order for you to grasp what was said...

Give it a rest now..

wendell borton

Words cannot describe how detestable those absolute lowlifes are.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-militants-are-using-mentally-challenged-children-as-suicide-bombers-and-crucifying-others-says-un-body-10024847.html

Tugboats

wendell borton wrote: »

Words cannot describe how detestable those absolute lowlifes are.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-militants-are-using-mentally-challenged-children-as-suicide-bombers-and-crucifying-others-says-un-body-10024847.html

Someone will be along shortly to tell you that's Western propaganda

evo2000

BMMachine wrote: »

so, according to the leaders of the Kurdish forces, they are the only effective ones in fighting ISIS. Then the article goes on to describe a war between the two groups, one which is heavily aided by western equipment and is also a cry for more help from the west, which to be fair would be expectant of the group.
and thats it.
Theres no talk about how these Kurdish forces have been fighting for years and years, even generations to create their own state with their own self interests at heart.
I don't know, it seems like self aggrandisement and propaganda more than anything of real strategy or value. But heck, you guys already swallow whole all the propaganda you like from western news sources so its not like you know a difference, right? I sincerely doubt the Kurdish forces have the ability to carry the fight to ISIS but like the Northern Alliance of Afghanistan they might make a nice chariot for western interests to ride. By the articles own admission the Kurds have taken heavy losses and casualties.

So yeah, a throwaway article which provides little to no depth ain't gonna cut it I'm afraid. Its back to you guys knowing f**k all again sorry bout that

Not everything is propaganda or a conspiracy... take off the tin foil hat for yourself lad christ... you re getting a small bit annoying at this stage... you still havent grasped what was said to you yet your saying everyone elses knows **** all... facepalm