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    #722
    Nodin
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    Tugboats wrote: »
    People who are anti war would be concerned by the language used by Jordan and the video they released .

    At which point you'll criticise them for arguing against military action against IS.

    Did one of them run over a pet of yours? You seem to have a grudge going.


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    #723
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    No sane person would argue against military action against ISIS.

    Only insane people and those with a pathological hatred of America would. The faster ISIS are removed from existance the better for all concerned. There's no ifs, buts or maybes about it.


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    #724
    tomwaterford
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    Nodin wrote: »
    You can't see the difference between Bush and Cheneys unjustified aggression and a country reacting to one its people being burnt alive?

    Being honest....while not a second agreeing with what Isis did....would manyof the people this chap bombed hhave suffered the same fate of being burnt alive!!

    Though the Japanese have a serious right to be offended...if anything it will involve takin Russia in from the cold to defeat them

    Though a question...is Isis a proper army with a central line of command or a mish mash of organizations working off a similar plan of action


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    #725
    Nodin
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    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    No sane person would argue against military action against ISIS.

    Only insane people and those with a pathological hatred of America would. The faster ISIS are removed from existance the better for all concerned. There's no ifs, buts or maybes about it.


    Or pacifists.


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    #726
    Nodin
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    tomwaterford wrote: »
    Being honest....while not a second agreeing with what Isis did....would manyof the people this chap bombed hhave suffered the same fate of being burnt alive!!

    Though the Japanese have a serious right to be offended...if anything it will involve takin Russia in from the cold to defeat them

    Though a question...is Isis a proper army with a central line of command or a mish mash of organizations working off a similar plan of action


    If they were in IS, it was hardly undeserved.

    As regards IS they are centrally organised afaik.


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    #727
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    Nodin wrote: »
    Or pacifists.

    How do you make that out? ISIS are murdering their way across the region. How will they be stopped? By putting a few daisies in the barrels of their AK 47s?

    By the way a number of those western hostages who were beheaded were pacifists. Fat lot of good it did for them.


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    #728
    Tugboats
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    Nodin wrote: »
    At which point you'll criticise them for arguing against military action against IS.

    Did one of them run over a pet of yours? You seem to have a grudge going.

    Hey? I have no grudge against them. I sent them a nice email and will see what comes back if anything does.


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    #729
    Nodin
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    Tugboats wrote: »
    Hey? I have no grudge against them. I sent them a nice email and will see what comes back if anything does.


    You sent a smarmy illogical missive which may be put on a wall for the "lolz".


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    #730
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    How do you make that out? ISIS are murdering their way across the region. How will they be stopped? By putting a few daisies in the barrels of their AK 47s?

    By the way a number of those western hostages who were beheaded were pacifists. Fat lot of good it did for them.


    You seem to be reading a text that isn't there. You stated only the insane are against action against IS. I added "or pacifists".


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    #731
    Tugboats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭Tugboats


    Nodin wrote: »
    You sent a smarmy illogical missive which may be put on a wall for the "lolz".

    I don't agree with that but thanks for your feedback


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    #732
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    I think ISIS and pacifists should hold a march for peace somewhere, walk hand in hand down some main street, and call for an end to all the bombings of ISIS. No mention of the warcrimes of ISIS of course. Generally pacifists are people who oppose American intervention. Anything else is fine with them.


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    #733
    Sociopath2
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    Nodin wrote: »
    At which point you'll criticise them for arguing against military action against IS.

    Did one of them run over a pet of yours? You seem to have a grudge going.

    He does have a point though. There is much more emphasis on the US/Nato among anti war protesters and I rarely hear anything from them on other states/blocs. The group I am most familiar with is GAAW.

    I don't expect anyone to be perfectly rational or balanced but the bias I see displayed is far outside what I consider normal.

    You were right to point out that Jordan are responding to a citizen being burnt alive. However that is exactly what the US did in Afghanistan. We are unlikely to see any protests should Jordan carry out its threats, where we have seen the opposition to the US invasion of Afghanistan.

    Before anyone says it, I understand the US had a long and chequered history with Afghanistan but there was no justification for 9/11. The US was justified in invading.

    Iraq, on the other hand was absolutely wrong and should not have happened.


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    #734
    Shurimgreat
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    Nodin wrote: »
    You seem to be reading a text that isn't there. You stated only the insane are against action against IS. I added "or pacifists".

    Well most pacifists are deluded and naive. They think you can solve problems through free love and flower power. If I wanted a pacifist or a predator drone to defend ethnic minorities from ISIS, I know which I would choose and it wouldn't be the pacifist.


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    #735
    tomwaterford
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    Nodin wrote: »
    If they were in IS, it was hardly undeserved.

    As regards IS they are centrally organised afaik.

    Then the job is to infiltrate them and attack the strongest leadership....they are too battle hardened now for any army to walk into the desert and wipe the floor with them.....

    Chances are if there leadership is wreaked there would be internal power struggles'???


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    #736
    Nodin
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    Sociopath2 wrote: »
    He does have a point though. There is much more emphasis on the US/Nato among anti war protesters and I rarely hear anything from them on other states/blocs. The group I am most familiar with is GAAW.
    ...........

    As far as I recall, the irish anti-war movement aren't anti-war per se, but are more of an anti-imperialist movement that were set up in the sixties. Bit of a dodgy choice of title considering.


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    #737
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    No sane person would argue against military action against ISIS.

    Only insane people and those with a pathological hatred of America would. The faster ISIS are removed from existance the better for all concerned. There's no ifs, buts or maybes about it.

    Did you book your flight yet?


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    #738
    Karl Stein
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    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    ISIS mass muderers its way around the middle east - relative silence.

    Unlike for the US/NATO war machine, which has given us hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis and the gift of ISIS, nobody is trying to defend the actions of ISIS. There is consensus across the board that they are barbaric scum. This is not the same when 'we' engage in acts of barbarism.

    On the contrary, we have a coterie of Call of Duty fanboys practically masturbating themselves at the thought of more of the above.
    Their hatred for America...

    Did you graduate from the Bill O'Reilly school of journalism where they teach fanatics that opposition to US foreign policy is hating America?


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    #739
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    tomwaterford wrote: »
    Then the job is to infiltrate them and attack the strongest leadership....they are too battle hardened now for any army to walk into the desert and wipe the floor with them.....

    Chances are if there leadership is wreaked there would be internal power struggles'???

    Cool


    Who are their leaders?

    Where do.we find them?

    Do you think.maybe they might.....just MIGHT have replacements

    Ya know


    Just in case?


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    #740
    BlaasForRafa
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Did you book your flight yet?

    How do you manage to type your posts while sitting on your hands? I guess you must be getting a headache from bashing your head off the keyboard.


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    #741
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    Unlike for the US/NATO war machine, which has given us hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis and the gift of ISIS, nobody is trying to defend the actions of ISIS. There is consensus across the board that they are barbaric scum. This is not the same when 'we' engage in acts of barbarism.

    On the contrary, we have a coterie of Call of Duty fanboys practically masturbating themselves at the thought of more of the above.



    Did you graduate from the Bill O'Reilly school of journalism where they teach fanatics that opposition to US foreign policy is hating America?

    Can you post me a link to an Irish Anti-War movement rally against ISIS please??? Otherwise you lose what little credibility you already have.


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    #742
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    As I said, on each occassion the US has intervened or intervention has been mooted such as with Assad chemical weapons a while ago, the Irish anti-war movement take to the streets to rally against it.

    And on NO OTHER OCCASSION.

    No rally against Russia. No rally against ISIS. No rally against anyone except the US.

    It's got nothing to do with anti war. It's got nothing to do with pacifism.

    Its got everything to do with anti americanism bordering on a pathological hatred/racism pure and simple.


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    #743
    Sociopath2
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    Nodin wrote: »
    As far as I recall, the irish anti-war movement aren't anti-war per se, but are more of an anti-imperialist movement that were set up in the sixties. Bit of a dodgy choice of title considering.

    That's fair enough but the way it is marketed to those of us not involved in it is as anti war, anti military campaign. Understandable and noble goals but when it becomes quite clear that it is very anti US, anti Israel, anti Nato, rather than anti war it does itself no favours.

    Anti imperialism is perfectly valid view to hold and campaign for but don't dress it up as concern for innocents thousands of miles away.


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    #744
    tomwaterford
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Cool


    Who are their leaders?

    Where do.we find them?

    Do you think.maybe they might.....just MIGHT have replacements

    Ya know


    Just in case?

    If only they could be infiltrated....think of all them chaps traveling from England....mi5 would want to be sacked from there jobs if they aren't after sending agents aswell

    An organization as big as Isis will. Eventually eat itself in power struggles



    If you want to see a case study of this type of thing in action...look up pira...there is more than a hint that the British tackled harder the elements that couldn't be politically reasoned with...in an effort to promote more calming influence to senior ranks

    See virtually little to no sectarian murder by the IRA after mid80s


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    #745
    Shurimgreat
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    Sociopath2 wrote: »
    That's fair enough but the way it is marketed to those of us not involved in it is as anti war, anti military campaign. Understandable and noble goals but when it becomes quite clear that it is very anti US, anti Israel, anti Nato, rather than anti war it does itself no favours.

    Anti imperialism is perfectly valid view to hold and campaign for but don't dress it up as concern for innocents thousands of miles away.

    The fact that these groups are mostly left wing (far left wing) anti capitalist tells you everything. They will never ever rally against Russia, China and so on. They are as I said remnants of communists/hard left. You just have to look at most of their leaders. Socialist Party (former communists).


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    #746
    Karl Stein
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    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    Can you post me a link to an Irish Anti-War movement rally against ISIS please???

    Protest what? ISIS aren't using Shannon as a stop over for supplies. ISIS doesn't have any support from the Irish people, Irish media or the Irish government.
    Otherwise you lose what little credibility you already have.

    That's quite funny coming from someone who pushes the line that 'if you don't support US/NATO war you hate America'. You'd make a great 'America, **** Yeah' panellist on Fox News.


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    #747
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    Nodin wrote: »
    As far as I recall, the irish anti-war movement aren't anti-war per se, but are more of an anti-imperialist movement that were set up in the sixties. Bit of a dodgy choice of title considering.

    Again, they are not even against all imperialism, just perceived western imperialism. Imperialism by anyone else no matter how real is simply over looked. They were raised/brainwashed to believe the west is evil, the USSR is good. The fact they have an influence in the modern west is disturbing to say the least.

    I have no problem with an anti-war movement that is consistant and non biased. The Irish anti-war movement is anything but. In fact they give anti-war movements a bad name, when they let off one side but not the other. It just gives the thumbs up to the other side to do as they want, which they do.


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    #748
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    Protest what? ISIS aren't using Shannon as a stop over for supplies. ISIS doesn't have any support from the Irish people, Irish media or the Irish government.



    That's quite funny coming from someone who pushes the line that 'if you don't support US/NATO war you hate America'. You'd make a great 'America, **** Yeah' panellist on Fox News.

    I knew Shannon would come into it sooner or later which just confirms its all about America and no-one else. I wish the Irish anti war movement would mature out of their obsession with America, being such an insular obsession at that.

    As long as it doesn't affect Ireland we shouldn't care who dies - that pretty much sums up the Irish anti-war movement. Head in the sand stuff.

    For the record if America passes through Shannon on their way to bomb ISIS, we should be proud to be of assistance. Unlike you who seem ashamed to have anything to do with the fight with ISIS. I'm sure the Yazedi women will be happy with your stance.

    Irish anti war movement are a joke.

    As for Fox News, don't watch them, can't stand them, although you seem to know quite a bit about them for some reason.


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    #749
    Karl Stein
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    Sociopath2 wrote: »
    Understandable and noble goals but when it becomes quite clear that it is very anti US

    Why must people like you persist in conflating criticism of US/NATO wars (hundreds of thousands dead, failure in Afghanistan, failure in Iraq) with being anti-US? Most people in the US are against US wars. If anything that makes those who support US/NATO wars anti-US.
    anti Israel,

    anti-Israeli state brutality not anti-Israel.


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    #750
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    Why must people like you persist in conflating criticism of US/NATO wars (hundreds of thousands dead, failure in Afghanistan, failure in Iraq) with being anti-US? Most people in the US are against US wars. If anything that makes those who support US/NATO wars anti-US.



    anti-Israeli state brutality not anti-Israel.

    And you are against Russian annexation of Crimea and interventions in eastern Ukraine too?

    And what about the dozens of other wars currently going on around the world that have nothing to do with the US?

    Will you be out protesting against them too?

    Of course you won't.

    Only when big bad America gets involved. We all see you for what you really are. Anti American.


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    #751
    Karl Stein
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    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    its all about America and no-one else [...] obsession with America

    You're conflating criticism of US/NATO wars, destruction and killing with 'America'. Get off your soap-box and quit with the blowhard propaganda.


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