Limerick school apologises for Charlie Hebdo

Timmyctc

BeerWolf wrote: »

Was in Lidl in Ashbourne a few days ago and some Muslim woman in a hijab was complaining about pork being displayed in the meat section...

WILL THESE ****ERS JUST PISS OFF ALREADY !?!?!?!

This definitely happened

niamhstokes

educate together schools are weird. All schools are Catholic. That's the way it is and always will be. Why make us pay for a minority of people who want boring secular schools? we'll end up like the UK if we're not careful.

Paz-CCFC

anncoates wrote: »

Kinda conflicted by the story too, in the same way I'm conflicted by CH handling of the affair generally.

No problem with ET or their education on free speech (I'm an atheist, would love to see secular education being the norm in Ireland, despise religious fundamentalists and support CH right to free speech) but I just have this slightly uncomfortable feeling about sending your kid into a school discussion about free speech (which again, the discussion is great) with something that essentially uses free speech to troll people's faith. There's something of the fart-smelling, circle jerk of boards about it, to be honest.

Not that I give a fcuk about the rights of fundamentalists not to be trolled, but there's every chance the offended kid's parents didn't fall into that bracket.

Again, I think there's a way to lampoon and oppose religion without striving to be across the board offensive to people who have faith, no matter how ridiculous we think that faith is.

Nail on the head there and that's essentially how I feel about it, too. It's like the South Park episodes with Muhammed in it. I fully support Stone's and Parker's right to create cartoons like that and completely condemn those who threatened violence on them. But I wouldn't really be in favour of showing South Park to a class of 11 year olds in primary school.

Precious flower

I don't like the magazine. I just feel like their drawings are crude and deliberately inflammatory, something a 16 year old boy would draw because he thought it was just hilarious. Saying that, I don't believe the school should have had to apologise either. But I really don't think that magazine should be held up as any symbol of free speech.The drawing was crude and severed no purpose but to be a shock and awe tactic to draw in like minded 16 year old men who find this stuff funny.

The Backwards Man

niamhstokes wrote: »

educate together schools are weird. All schools are Catholic. That's the way it is and always will be. Why make us pay for a minority of people who want boring secular schools? we'll end up like the UK if we're not careful.

With the romping of sturdy children, the contest of athletic youths and the laughter of happy (comely) maidens, whose firesides would be forums for the wisdom of a serene old age.

Kev_2012

If people just didn't take offence to every little thing, there wouldn't be nowhere near as much trouble. Things happen everyday that I could take offence to but I don't, you know why? Because doing so is just stupid. Get over it.

If I said something that offended someone, and I didn't know it would, I wouldn't keep going on about it to antagonise them, but at the same token I wouldn't be apologising either. It's not my fault you can't take a joke.

One eyed Jack

Kev_2012 wrote: »

Be careful there that you don't fall off your high horse!

I left the horse outside, horse.

I grew up in Limerick, I know the place inside out and the manner in which we joke about is something that I found very unique to the place. You can slag about anything and it's taken as a joke. I don't want that to change to the point where everybody is offended about everything. Those people can f*ck off.

What makes you think Limerick is any different from anywhere else in Ireland? I didn't grow up in Limerick, but I know the place inside out, they don't joke any different to anywhere else in Ireland, you might think you can slag about anything, but that's just among you and your friends. The fact is that you and your friends don't have the place to yourselves any more, and you certainly don't by your own standards get to dictate what goes on in a school environment be it in Limerick, Dublin, Galway or anywhere else. This seems to offend you greatly, which by your own standards means you will have to be packing your suitcases.

Ok, I've an example :

I was threatened to be kicked out of school because I didn't want to attend religion class as it's full of crap that I didn't believe in. Where is my apology? I got over it. Christ above like.

Nowadays you wouldn't be kicked out of school, and your absence of belief would be respected. Times change maaaan.

It's offensive to his religion? Well then tough sh1t! F*ck off somewhere else! You integrate into our culture, not the other way around.

You understand that the parents sent their child to a multi-denominational school because they were under the impression that their religion would be respected, that all religions and none are respected? That's why they didn't send their child to a Catholic ethos school.

You think I went around Canada when I moved there telling everyone they have to go on the lash every weekend all weekend and slagging everyone? No! I learned my limits there and made an effort to integrate. If I wanted to get citizenship there, I have swear allegiance to the queen, I need to do English tests, crap that I think is stupid, but that's their country, not mine.

The Canadian First Indians have never sworn allegiance to the Queen of England, and I'll bet you won't find too many English speakers in the French Quarter either! You'll find the Irish "diaspora" and British ex-pats in every country though, and they make no attempt to integrate into the countries in which they're located. In fact, the British have quite a reputation for their attempts to invade other countries and turn them into Little Britain. It's one of the reasons why Canada is still a British Commonwealth country.

(someone wasn't paying attention in history class either!)

Unless you are socially retarded, you should know the limits and learn to bite your tongue even if something annoys you.

Seems you've yet to master that social skill, but I assume you're not intellectually disabled, just ignorant.

Last time I checked, Ireland wasn't a Muslim state. If you come here to live, then live as we do and don't be expecting special treatment.

Ohh the irony. If we were still expected to "live as we do", you'd have been taken out in the hallway and given a few belts of a hurley to keep you in line for your refusal to participate in religion classes. Thankfully we don't do that any more either.

Remember the film American History X? He was told to write about a struggle for civil rights and he did it about Mein Kampf? It will offend people but under instruction, these are the topics that may be legitimately discussed!

I was more of a Monty Python man myself, y'know, clever satire as opposed to just flinging horse shìt in people's eyes while languishing under the arrogant veil of ignorance that there would be no retaliation.

Pah, Freedom of speech my hole. Next thing you know you'll be bleeped out for every single non PC thing that is said

I have no time for political correctness. I also have no time for people who think they have a right to behave like ignorant douchebags. This isn't about political correctness or freedom of speech or any of the rest of that nonsense, it's about a teacher in a multi-denominational school, lacking even the slightest bit of cop-on to realise that the cartoons were going to be offensive to some of the children, in a multi-denominational school which claims to respect all faiths and none.

Just to add, if you moved to an Islamic country, would you try to change all their things? No, you would learn to integrate. You would know not to do certain things like draw pictures of Mohammed and show the soles of your feet etc. Get a grip.

You could apply that same logic to Ireland when you were in school and we were a majority Roman Catholic society, you didn't try to integrate then, did you? Aren't you lucky you don't live in a country where apostasy is punishable by death? If anyone needs to get a grip here, I'd suggest you hold tight on that forelock and hang on for dear life, because Limerick isn't just your city any more.

OldNotWIse

Great. Let's pass the ridiculous PC tripe onto another generation.

shruikan2553

niamhstokes wrote: »

educate together schools are weird. All schools are Catholic. That's the way it is and always will be. Why make us pay for a minority of people who want boring secular schools? we'll end up like the UK if we're not careful.

You're right. We need to encourage segregation so that we can continue to complain they arent doing enough to integrate. They just need to integrate themselves over there, away from us.

OldNotWIse

percy212 wrote: »

Free speech is a current topic that is rightly of interest to educators. I see nothing wrong with examining that magazine during class. It should spark debate and critical thinking in students, skills we need in our population. Muslim students can debate too.

Apparently, they can only get offended.

yipeeeee

shruikan2553 wrote: »

You're right. We need to encourage segregation so that we can continue to complain they arent doing enough to integrate. They just need to integrate themselves over there, away from us.

They don't really put much effort into segregating as it is.

Skylinehead

kneemos wrote: »

Worst "what if"ever.

Is it? A lot of Charlie Hebdos content is bordering on pornographic. Stupid thing to bring into school, disregarding the Muslim offending side of things.

_Brian

Cabaal wrote: »

The magazine went after every major religion, Muslim, Catholics, Jewish etc. They are all fair game.

A religious belief is only an idea and no idea deserves special protection or rights,

assigning special protection and exemptions to religious ideas is what causes the likes of Catholic ethos schools in Ireland to basically have the right to sack teachers for being gay or lesbian people as they (the schools) are exempt from certain parts of legislation .... Cause it goes against their Catholic ethos

Equally though the defense that "we insult everybody equally" is a bit thin. They're still insulting people, just because their insulting lots of people changes nothing.

anncoates

Skylinehead wrote: »

Is it? A lot of Charlie Hebdos content is bordering on pornographic. Stupid thing to bring into school, disregarding the Muslim offending side of things.

Yeah but what's the use of having kids if you can't use them to get into a ideological fart-smelling competition with other right-on parents?

Gatling

Skylinehead wrote: »

Is it? A lot of Charlie Hebdos content is bordering on pornographic. Stupid thing to bring into school, disregarding the Muslim offending side of things.

Artistic merit hardly porn

Skylinehead

Gatling wrote: »

Artistic merit hardly porn

They're kids, and it's sexually explicit imagery. I'd love to see you try that with some of my teachers from back in the day, you wouldn't last long.

Persiancowboy

We seem to have to spend an increasing amount of time these days tip-toeing around "minority groups" in case anything we say or do causes them "offence". I for one am sick and tired of having to tolerate their intolerence....

OldNotWIse

Persiancowboy wrote: »

We seem to have to spend an increasing amount of time these days tip-toeing around "minority groups" in case anything we say or do causes them "offence". I for one am sick and tired of having to tolerate their intolerence....

I'm offended by their intolerance of offensiveness

RWCNT

_Brian wrote: »

Equally though the defense that "we insult everybody equally" is a bit thin. They're still insulting people, just because their insulting lots of people changes nothing.

It's complete bull**** is what it is but I believe that some people are short-sighted enough to truly believe it. Insulting everybody equally doesn't make a bit of difference until everybody is equal, which we are not. Making a joke at a vulnerable party's expense is not the same as making fun of those in a position of power or privilege.

Grayson

Skylinehead wrote: »

They're kids, and it's sexually explicit imagery. I'd love to see you try that with some of my teachers from back in the day, you wouldn't last long.

Or with a parent. Or with a girlfriend.

It's not port it's art

Gatling

Skylinehead wrote: »

They're kids, and it's sexually explicit imagery. I'd love to see you try that with some of my teachers from back in the day, you wouldn't last long.

I did back in 93 with a copy of playboy for art class .

Haveing purchased Charlie over the years ive personally never seen anything that was remotely pornographic .
Wasn't this about a muslin getting upset not porn

PopePalpatine

shruikan2553 wrote: »

niamhstokes wrote: »

educate together schools are weird. All schools are Catholic. That's the way it is and always will be. Why make us pay for a minority of people who want boring secular schools? we'll end up like the UK if we're not careful.

You're right. We need to encourage segregation so that we can continue to complain they arent doing enough to integrate. They just need to integrate themselves over there, away from us.

And dem evul seculrists can fuck off to the back of the bus! /s

Ireland is changing, it's no longer your and Dev's dream of a holy, Gaelic, Catholic nation.

Kev_2012

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I left the horse outside, horse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oOvW6RXgjI

One eyed Jack wrote: »

What makes you think Limerick is any different from anywhere else in Ireland? I didn't grow up in Limerick, but I know the place inside out, they don't joke any different to anywhere else in Ireland, you might think you can slag about anything, but that's just among you and your friends. The fact is that you and your friends don't have the place to yourselves any more, and you certainly don't by your own standards get to dictate what goes on in a school environment be it in Limerick, Dublin, Galway or anywhere else. This seems to offend you greatly, which by your own standards means you will have to be packing your suitcases.

Well considering the fact that having lived in Limerick for 24 years in total, I think I know quite well what the limits are. Not just amongst me and my friends, but also strangers who I'd get a laugh with and any of my friends that came here from other countries, regardless of race/religion or any other minority defining property always welcome the slagging and are well able to be up for the craic and know that we aren't trying to insult anyone, just having a laugh.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Nowadays you wouldn't be kicked out of school, and your absence of belief would be respected. Times change maaaan.

Well I wasn't kicked out, I was threatened. I don't think the religious connection to schools has disappeared in the last 10 years maaaaan..

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You understand that the parents sent their child to a multi-denominational school because they were under the impression that their religion would be respected, that all religions and none are respected? That's why they didn't send their child to a Catholic ethos school.

So what about the people who sent their children to the school where freedom of speech is supposedly respected? I'd be confident that those parents would be quite annoyed that this is setting the precedent that the other kids need to tip toe their way around certain aspects of life. Why should they be effectively told to shut up because 1 pupil took offence to a f*cking drawing. Remember, people were murdered in cold blood because of that. This is 2015, not the middle ages.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

The Canadian First Indians have never sworn allegiance to the Queen of England, and I'll bet you won't find too many English speakers in the French Quarter either! You'll find the Irish "diaspora" and British ex-pats in every country though, and they make no attempt to integrate into the countries in which they're located. In fact, the British have quite a reputation for their attempts to invade other countries and turn them into Little Britain. It's one of the reasons why Canada is still a British Commonwealth country.

(someone wasn't paying attention in history class either!)

"Oh really? I didn't know that", I would've said that if I was still 4 years old. I know. I lived there you see and I learn things about the world and the countries I visit/live. For once you are right, the brits/irish did do that, but you know what? That has nothing to do with the fact that I moved there, whilst Canada is at peace from a civil perspective and I tried my best to do as they do. So, in short, your point is pointless.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Seems you've yet to master that social skill, but I assume you're not intellectually disabled, just ignorant.

I'm ignorant because I have an opinion on the matter and because it would affect me directly? Should I just shut my mouth and say nothing if something I've been used to all the time suddenly changes because certain immigrants don't want to integrate into our society? What do you want to happen? Ethnically separated areas? That'll be worse, take a look at the UK pal. Multiculturalism is fine, but only if it means you integrate into the society that has given you the opportunity to become a part of it.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Ohh the irony. If we were still expected to "live as we do", you'd have been taken out in the hallway and given a few belts of a hurley to keep you in line for your refusal to participate in religion classes. Thankfully we don't do that any more either.

How is it ironic? I'm talking about not taking offence to a drawing and having the craic, not getting lashed because of religion. Stop going on about insane edge cases.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I was more of a Monty Python man myself, y'know, clever satire as opposed to just flinging horse shìt in people's eyes while languishing under the arrogant veil of ignorance that there would be no retaliation.

Am, you do know the Life of Brian was banned from Ireland don't you? How is that clever satire in terms of the period that was released and trying to push it on the extremely conservative Catholic majority Irish market where you couldn't even buy johnnys or have a child before marriage? I'm sure Irish people living in England shut their mouths because it was an English movie and they lived in England. Charlie Hebdo is a FRENCH publication. They didn't exactly release the f*cking thing in Tehran, Mecca, Istanbul or Islamabad.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I have no time for political correctness. I also have no time for people who think they have a right to behave like ignorant douchebags. This isn't about political correctness or freedom of speech or any of the rest of that nonsense, it's about a teacher in a multi-denominational school, lacking even the slightest bit of cop-on to realise that the cartoons were going to be offensive to some of the children, in a multi-denominational school which claims to respect all faiths and none.

Oh here comes the real irony. You clearly are after political correctness if you are saying we need to tiptoe around certain topics. What if they were in history class and they spoke of WW1 and 2 and also Ireland under British rule and there happened to be an English or German child in the class? Would they have to right to complain because they feel singled out? What if they were in a sex ed class and the child was a devout catholic? What if they were in cooking class and a jewish child attended the pork chop cooking class? There's an infinite amount of things that could offend anyone, it's impossible to get around them all without having a totally PC society. My point is, if they come to a place where their standards are not the norm, then tough ****. Get over it and integrate or don't take offence. Otherwise f*ck off.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You could apply that same logic to Ireland when you were in school and we were a majority Roman Catholic society, you didn't try to integrate then, did you? Aren't you lucky you don't live in a country where apostasy is punishable by death? If anyone needs to get a grip here, I'd suggest you hold tight on that forelock and hang on for dear life, because Limerick isn't just your city any more.

Yeah I didn't, but the thing is, apostasy isn't punishable by death here. It's a different case. If they are practicing muslims and aren't known as apostates, and don't want to be part of our culture without compromising it, then go to a country that is willing to be PC. Try Canada, they are fairly PC. I will continue to voice my opinion on the matter whenever the topic arises because if you don't like our ways, then tough sh!t.

wendell borton

The education system here really is a crossroads, up until now the standard of education was quite equal regardless social class etc. thanks to catholic/COI NS model.
But it looks like there's going to be a complete fragmentation into ED, VEC, religious ethos etc. schools, with the inevitable result we end up like the UK.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Vomit wrote: »

From 2009:




You think they were wrong to fire him and for him to face trial? All bigotry is disgusting.

Of course they were wrong to fire him, it's a satirical publication. If there's to be true freedom of expression then there can be no sacred cows. Everybody and everything is fair game.

RWCNT

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Everybody and everything is fair game.

Fair enough but that's just a stupid excuse from people who want a licence to be as be as offensive or damaging as they want.

reprise

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Ireland is changing, it's no longer your and Dev's dream of a holy, Gaelic, Catholic nation.

I can even remember my parents saying things like this.

You're really not the free thinking revolutionary radical you think you are. If anything, you are just as shackled and given the vacuity of political correctness, no more original.

yipeeeee

If you are not Muslim you don't have to abide by their rules or their beliefs, and you have to right to have an opinion on Islam even if it's a bad one.

RWCNT

get_happy wrote: »

the old heirarchy of victimhood

one of the key tenants of political correctness

What's your point?

Timmyctc

The best thing that ever happened to public opinion of Charlie hebdo was the shooting at their offices.

Boring username

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Haha!! I thought this might have been a thread about who gave an 11year old a copy of Charlie Hebdo and what their intentions were for doing it, but, silly me, it's another big bad Muslim thread. Hilarious.

Did you read the link? They were having a discussion about the French revolution and freedom of speech.

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

I think Charlie Hebdo are scum, to be perfectly frank. They didn't produce the magazine the week after their colleagues were murdered as some sort of tribute to their colleagues, they did it to cash in. Normally they'd sell 60,000 copies, that week they ordered 3 million to be printed and ended up selling 5 million, nice little cash cow there. Then came the global aftermath of slaughter and rioting by Muslim fanatics in other parts of the world as a result.

Charlie Hebdo is a hateful, low brow rag that caters for bigots and racists, nothing more, so it'll be great when the love fest for them ends. With freedom of speech comes responsibility and people shouldn't support the sh*te that magazine spouts.

Nice bit of victim blaming there. Sure the cartoonists forced the gunmen to murder them, didn't they? :rolleyes:

Have you told the 1.5 millions marchers in Paris, as well as major world leaders, that they are bigots and racists for supporting Charlie Hedbo?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30767929

RobYourBuilder

Precious flower wrote: »

I don't like the magazine. I just feel like their drawings are crude and deliberately inflammatory, something a 16 year old boy would draw because he thought it was just hilarious. Saying that, I don't believe the school should have had to apologise either. But I really don't think that magazine should be held up as any symbol of free speech.The drawing was crude and severed no purpose but to be a shock and awe tactic to draw in like minded 16 year old men who find this stuff funny.

The magazine is not being held up as a bastion of speech. The fact that the publications employees were murdered in cold blood for exercising their right to freedom of speech and expression is.

evolving_doors

non story,
Student brings controversial magazine to school.
Teacher deals with situation as best they can.
One parent is outraged.

Has Bruce Springsteen vs. Croake Park residents started yet?

RobYourBuilder

Sittingpretty wrote: »

This. Agree completely.

I'm from Limerick and I know this school very well.

Am surprised they veered from their ethos.

You obviously don't. It's not a Catholic school. It's a secular school.

Pumpkinseeds

Boring username wrote: »

Did you read the link? They were having a discussion about the French revolution and freedom of speech.




Nice bit of victim blaming there. Sure the cartoonists forced the gunmen to murder them, didn't they? :rolleyes:

Have you told the 1.5 millions marchers in Paris, as well as major world leaders, that they are bigots and racists for supporting Charlie Hedbo?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30767929

And with this bullsh*t I won't even bother to read the rest of your post. Presumably you do actually know what went on during the French Revolution right? I mean you do know that it was a mass blood-letting and that some people made personal fortunes out of it right?

Boring username

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

And with this bullsh*t I won't even bother to read the rest of your post. Presumably you do actually know what went on during the French Revolution right? I mean you do know that it was a mass blood-letting and that some people made personal fortunes out of it right?

Lol. You're tying yourself in knots, pet. Bigots and racists, that's what you said. Too late to backtrack now. No matter what way you try to spin it.

Sittingpretty

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

You obviously don't. It's not a Catholic school. It's a secular school.

I obviously don't what?

Agree?

Live in Limerick?

Know the school well?

seachto7

While I don't see the point of being provocative just because it's a freedom of speech thing, the school should not have apologised.

Saudi is wealthier than Ireland, and if they don't like it here, they could move there, where there'll be no Charlie Hebdo or stepping out of line...

Smiles35

The funny thing is, at the time in Ireland, and across the world. Discussing the French revolution was the bold thing.

COYVB

Charlie Hebdo is hardly a publication for 11 year olds...

Pumpkinseeds

Boring username wrote: »

Lol. You're tying yourself in knots, pet. Bigots and racists, that's what you said. Too late to backtrack now. No matter what way you try to spin it.

You must be reading someone elses post. I stand by everything that I said sweetheart.

Gatling

COYVB wrote: »

Charlie Hebdo is hardly a publication for 11 year olds...

They grow up quick these days

One eyed Jack

Kev_2012 wrote: »

Well considering the fact that having lived in Limerick for 24 years in total, I think I know quite well what the limits are. Not just amongst me and my friends, but also strangers who I'd get a laugh with and any of my friends that came here from other countries, regardless of race/religion or any other minority defining property always welcome the slagging and are well able to be up for the craic and know that we aren't trying to insult anyone, just having a laugh.

Good stuff, no different than anywhere else then, and certainly a long way from your hysterics about Muslims taking over your city.

Well I wasn't kicked out, I was threatened. I don't think the religious connection to schools has disappeared in the last 10 years maaaaan..

Something else we agree on, and if anything religious connections in schools are only perpetuated by the existence of ET schools which aim to respect all faiths and none (dropped the ball on this occasion, but nobody died, so there's no need for hysterics).

So what about the people who sent their children to the school where freedom of speech is supposedly respected? I'd be confident that those parents would be quite annoyed that this is setting the precedent that the other kids need to tip toe their way around certain aspects of life. Why should they be effectively told to shut up because 1 pupil took offence to a f*cking drawing. Remember, people were murdered in cold blood because of that. This is 2015, not the middle ages.

You're still missing the point of an ET school. The ethos of the school is NOT free speech, and any parents that sent their child to the school with the idea of free speech in mind were unfortunately either misled, or simply misguided. Nobody's told them to shut up though, it was an 11 year old child who asked that the teacher put the magazine away as it was offensive. The showing of the magazine simply flew in the face of the school's ethos. The whole idea of the school is to respect all faiths and none, in 2015.

"Oh really? I didn't know that", I would've said that if I was still 4 years old. I know. I lived there you see and I learn things about the world and the countries I visit/live. For once you are right, the brits/irish did do that, but you know what? That has nothing to do with the fact that I moved there, whilst Canada is at peace from a civil perspective and I tried my best to do as they do. So, in short, your point is pointless.

I didn't bring up Canada, you did, which was neither here nor there but I said I'd let you run with it to see if you had a point. It turns out Muslims aren't taking over Canada either, not on your watch at least.

I'm ignorant because I have an opinion on the matter and because it would affect me directly? Should I just shut my mouth and say nothing if something I've been used to all the time suddenly changes because certain immigrants don't want to integrate into our society? What do you want to happen? Ethnically separated areas? That'll be worse, take a look at the UK pal. Multiculturalism is fine, but only if it means you integrate into the society that has given you the opportunity to become a part of it.

Muslims ARE intergrating into our society, and our society is changing because of their intergration. You're aiming your ire at the wrong target here. There were multi-denominational ET schools in Ireland for the last 20 years, before this child was ever even born, before his father ever came to Ireland. Therefore the family were simply intergrating into Irish society by sending their son to an ET school.

How is it ironic? I'm talking about not taking offence to a drawing and having the craic, not getting lashed because of religion. Stop going on about insane edge cases.

You claimed that immigrants should "live as we do", and I said if we ourselves were still to "live as we did", your indifference to religion would not be tolerated. That's not talking about edge cases, it's only going back 20 years in Irish society. You wouldn't take offence to the drawing, grand, but you do realise that Irish society is made up of many more people who do not share your opinion?

Your idea of having the craic isn't necessarily someone else's idea of having the craic, and in a lesson about the French Revolution, I can't imagine the craic was mighty. Quite the opposite in fact when it was a peasant revolution that brought about a secular state. Then the French went on to colonise many North African countries, including of course, Algeria. So much for intergrating with the natives!

Am, you do know the Life of Brian was banned from Ireland don't you? How is that clever satire in terms of the period that was released and trying to push it on the extremely conservative Catholic majority Irish market where you couldn't even buy johnnys or have a child before marriage? I'm sure Irish people living in England shut their mouths because it was an English movie and they lived in England. Charlie Hebdo is a FRENCH publication. They didn't exactly release the f*cking thing in Tehran, Mecca, Istanbul or Islamabad.

Ehh, you brought up Malcolm X, I don't think there were too many black Muslims in Ireland when Malcolm X was released either. The Life of Brian is clever satire, the film itself. Malcolm X is just depressing. They didn't have to release Charlie Hebdo in Tehran, etc when a fifth of the population in France are Muslim!

Oh here comes the real irony. You clearly are after political correctness if you are saying we need to tiptoe around certain topics.

I never said we had to tiptoe around certain topics at all, I said quite the opposite if you were paying attention. It's the ethos of the ET school that says they have to tiptoe around certain topics and respect all faiths and none. You're not doing that if you pull out a magazine with a depiction of Mohammed on it in the presence of Muslim children!

What if they were in history class and they spoke of WW1 and 2 and also Ireland under British rule and there happened to be an English or German child in the class? Would they have to right to complain because they feel singled out?

Of course they have a right to complain. We all have a right to complain about the things we object to. That's what you did when you were in school, and that's no different to what this child did in school. You seem to have this idea though that only you are entitled to complain and nobody else is. Whether anyone will take your complaint seriously or not is another matter entirely.

What if they were in a sex ed class and the child was a devout catholic?

Their parents have a right to opt their child out of the class.

What if they were in cooking class and a jewish child attended the pork chop cooking class?

I dunno, never heard of it happening, probably because nobody complained.

There's an infinite amount of things that could offend anyone, it's impossible to get around them all without having a totally PC society. My point is, if they come to a place where their standards are not the norm, then tough ****. Get over it and integrate or don't take offence. Otherwise f*ck off.

Hmm, that'll encourage people to take your complaint seriously alright... or just more likely they'll tell you to fcuk off, get over it, etc. That's not what happened here though. The ET school set the standard which was the norm, and the child was adhering to that standard by requesting that the teacher respect his religion.

Yeah I didn't, but the thing is, apostasy isn't punishable by death here. It's a different case. If they are practicing muslims and aren't known as apostates, and don't want to be part of our culture without compromising it, then go to a country that is willing to be PC. Try Canada, they are fairly PC. I will continue to voice my opinion on the matter whenever the topic arises because if you don't like our my ways, then tough sh!t.

Fixed that for you. By all means voice your opinion (no such thing as free speech on Boards though ), but as I said earlier, whether anyone chooses to take you seriously or not is another matter entirely. The family in this case DO want to be part of our culture, and I don't see any reason to leap to hysterics that they'll be taking over your city any time soon.

end of the road

Boring username wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/school-apologises-to-muslim-pupil-over-charlie-hebdo-in-class-30968831.html


Je suis Charlie indeed. Can someone tell me where I can purchase one of these "offence" cards? They sound like a great way of bullying the public into doing what I say.

What are your opinions on the actions of the school? Do you think they were right or wrong in their actions.

they were right, as Charlie Hebdo is a crock of ****

end of the road

RWCNT wrote: »

What's your point?

ja political correctness rabel rabel init

end of the road

COYVB wrote: »

Charlie Hebdo is hardly a publication for 11 year olds...

no, but is for those with the brain the size of a pea

The Backwards Man

Boring username wrote: »

Did you read the link? They were having a discussion about the French revolution and freedom of speech.

Go on away out a that!:pac: If some wain brought in a homemade guillotine should they all have had a go with that too?

At least it would be more pertinent to the French Revolution than Charlie Hebdo! Never ceases to amaze me the hoops people will put them through to the pursue their agenda.:)

RobYourBuilder

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Go on away out a that!:pac: If some wain brought in a homemade guillotine should they all have had a go with that too?

At least it would be more pertinent to the French Revolution than Charlie Hebdo! Never ceases to amaze me the hoops people will put them through to the pursue their agenda.:)

They were discussing freedom of speech in France. Of course Charlie Hebdo should have been discussed and what better prop for the lesson than the paper issued in the aftermath of the murders?

byhookorbycrook

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

You obviously don't. It's not a Catholic school. It's a secular school.

There are no secular primary schools in Ireland, only multi-denominational, which are generally either Gaelscoileanna or ET schools.

Gatling

end of the road wrote: »

no, but is for those with the brain the size of a pea

Have you actually read any