LOI Talk, Rumors, Gossip, Transfers etc 2015

miroslavklose

Christy Browne wrote: »

The young lads playing both sports, obviously

Well it's not good for them, but soccer can't organise its schedule to suit another sport. One of the major benefits of playing in the summer for GAA is they get the best weather conditions - soccer would be foolish to deny itself the same benefit just to avoid a clash.

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anncoates wrote: »

Who gives a fcuk about them?

In big city's the deadication too soccer over GAA might be split 50/50 even 60/40 in favor of soccer. In rural little towns outside city's there is only winner when it comes too GAA V Soccer, the GAA will win hands down every time! Quite often the best soccer players are the best GAA players aswell, no way country GAA clubs leave their best Minor players who they are grooming too play senior skip matchs and training too play soccer. In fact most GAA clubs ban players from minor upwards from playing any sports within two weeks of championship.

anncoates

MrMac84 wrote: »

In big city's the deadication too soccer over GAA might be split 50/50 even 60/40 in favor of soccer. In rural little towns outside city's there is only winner when it comes too GAA V Soccer, the GAA will win hands down every time! Quite often the best soccer players are the best GAA players aswell, no way country GAA clubs leave their best Minor players who they are grooming too play senior skip matchs and training too play soccer. In fact most GAA clubs ban players from minor upwards from playing any sports within two weeks of championship.

Fair point.

Unfortunately though, if it deemed that summer is of the most overall benefit (and where, as you note, it's going to benefit the most football players which will be the urban areas) that's the way it should go.

Lovely Bloke

MrMac84 wrote: »

Quite often the best soccer players are the best GAA players aswell,

Shouldn't be the case really, as the skillsets needed for both sports are quite different.

It's idiot soccer coaches picking the "tall strong lads" for their teams who make this a reality.

Nothing but hoofers and thugs really, but this is grand for GAA, it's a more physical game for sure, jumping to catch the ball against a bunch of other lads, legal shoulder to shoulder tackling and what have you.

There aren't many "Gooch"-like small skillful fellas playing GAA in any capacity, last one I properly remember before that was Jason Sherlock, and he played in the LOI too for a stint - and they are better suited to the sport of Soccer, skillful little fellas able to run with the ball at feet, it's almost sacrilege in GAA, so those lads can play soccer.

SantryRed

MrMac84 wrote: »

Thats good news but this national under 17 league is bad news for clubs all over the country, it's going too make holding onto the players near on I'm possible after under 16s

I'm not really sure why that's much of an issue. The standard tends to fall after u15s anyways. It makes a feasible pathway to LoI too which is what is needed.

Mars Bar

Imo, if a kid hasn't made the decision by 16 to drop the gaa and focus on soccer as his only sport because he wants to be a pro then he isn't going to be a pro.

To Elland Back

Mars Bar wrote: »

Imo, if a kid hasn't made the decision by 16 to drop the gaa and focus on soccer as his only sport because he wants to be a pro then he isn't going to be a pro.

It's not always about being a Pro. Smaller clubs, such as my own Wexford Youths, will always lose players at some stage to the Gah, even as adults. The U17 League will allow us get local young players in at an early stage and offer them football on a national level, so hopefully we will get to hang on to more of them

tastyt

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Shouldn't be the case really, as the skillsets needed for both sports are quite different.

It's idiot soccer coaches picking the "tall strong lads" for their teams who make this a reality.

Nothing but hoofers and thugs really, but this is grand for GAA, it's a more physical game for sure, jumping to catch the ball against a bunch of other lads, legal shoulder to shoulder tackling and what have you.

There aren't many "Gooch"-like small skillful fellas playing GAA in any capacity, last one I properly remember before that was Jason Sherlock, and he played in the LOI too for a stint - and they are better suited to the sport of Soccer, skillful little fellas able to run with the ball at feet, it's almost sacrilege in GAA, so those lads can play soccer.

So now your saying physicality has no place in football is it?? All players should be 5' 5" and have amazing skills in order to play the game. Nonsense, such a cliche to say this since Barcelona have dominated recently.

What about the United and Chelsea teams that were in the last 4 in Europe consistently not so long ago?? Plenty of big physical players in those teams but they could still play.

Fact is, summer soccer could kill the game in rural areas. It will 100% wipe out a lot of rural clubs who just won't have the numbers. We will without doubt lose a lot of potential to the GAA. But " **** them " seems to be the answer to that. Burying our heads in the sand and pretending that the biggest sporting organization in the country doesn't even exist is not very clever.

By the way I'm not talking about the under 17 national league which I think is a great idea, just the schoolboys leagues

overshoot

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

There aren't many "Gooch"-like small skillful fellas playing GAA in any capacity, last one I properly remember before that was Jason Sherlock, and he played in the LOI too for a stint - and they are better suited to the sport of Soccer, skillful little fellas able to run with the ball at feet, it's almost sacrilege in GAA, so those lads can play soccer.

jesus i am sick of this line been trotted out, Donegal are the current harbingers of death for the way they bulked up (never a mention of how they looked next to cork in 09)... has anyone seen the size of the McHugh brothers? particularly YPTOY Ryan or Darach o'Connor who started the Ulster & AI finals??

On topic, I can see the point of summer football, better pitches may help skill development. But as others are saying it puts soccer in the direct firing line of the GAA. This could work during school holidays where clubs of both codes could (but unfortunately rarely) work with each other forming schedules but add in school and something will have to give.
As was mentioned though, and while i hope to god it changes, if they were really good enough they would be gone to england or be around the fringes of the LOI senior team, so in summer football anyway. For the rest, there would be as much glory in club gaa as soccer, so it comes down to love of the game or peer pressure.

dfx-

tastyt wrote: »

So now your saying physicality has no place in football is it?? All players should be 5' 5" and have amazing skills in order to play the game. Nonsense, such a cliche to say this since Barcelona have dominated recently.

That's not what he said at all.

The two 'sports' are separate. You do have to choose between one to go to pro level. Tall and strong lads are best suited to one 'sport' and the skillful smaller players are more suited to football. Being able to run and make the right decision with the ball at your feet is what the best players can do over height and strength. More instinctive often.

If you want to produce 15 year old tall and strong lads, football is not likely to be their best sport. Coaches choose the big tall lads because there either aren't enough quality players or they don't know what to do with them.

Footballers in Ireland at LOI level could do with bulking up, considering the size of the Flora Tallinn lads a few years ago who were absolutely rubbish.

civis_liberalis

dfx- wrote: »

Footballers in Ireland at LOI level could do with bulking up, considering the size of the Flora Tallinn lads a few years ago who were absolutely rubbish.

Definitely. First thing that any lads that go across the water do is get put on a programme. You often see noticeable differences in physique when lads go across and make their debuts a few months later.

dreamers75

Not sure what the issue is outside Dublin but within Dublin once you hit 18 if your not LSL sized you have no decent football to play. Its also the reason the big Junior clubs are entering the 19s and soon 17s, they feel as if the best players who didnt go over at the age of 12 will be stolen by LOI clubs. Which is a bit rich considering they would have stole them from someone else at some point.

LOI clubs now HAVE to link up with colleges and offer these kids scholarships, makes it a win win for the kid and club. 18 year old kid who didnt go over to england now at the age of 17 has the option of a college education and the highest level of football in Ireland for them.

After 5 or 6 years of this we will have kids who are conditioned to play football.

White Horse

civis_liberalis wrote: »

Definitely. First thing that any lads that go across the water do is get put on a programme. You often see noticeable differences in physique when lads go across and make their debuts a few months later.

Same for players who come to Dundalk.

deisedude

Brilliant reply in the comments here by the Galway United Facebook page

dreamers75

In media room after the match.




I like Alkin but he stole my sweets once.

Pighead

dreamers75 wrote: »

In media room after the match.




I like Alkin but he stole my sweets once.

Is that for real? He he. Poor old Stephen. Press room must have been in stitches.

dreamers75

Pighead wrote: »

Is that for real? He he. Poor old Stephen. Press room must have been in stitches.

I missed it went straight to pub

sidcon

Shels have been kicked to the kerb, Bohs all the way
Bohemians make deal over future of Dalymount Park http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/bohemians-make-deal-over-future-of-dalymount-park-1.2232262#.VWnAOWvImbA.twitter via @IrishTimes

AgileMyth

County Council spending taxpayer money redeveloping valuable land for Gypsies. A tale as old as time.

CSF

sidcon wrote: »

Shels have been kicked to the kerb, Bohs all the way
Bohemians make deal over future of Dalymount Park http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/bohemians-make-deal-over-future-of-dalymount-park-1.2232262#.VWnAOWvImbA.twitter via @IrishTimes

We're truly heartbroken.

GLaDOS

Pretty much as good as we could have hoped for. Debt (Or at least most of it) cleared and a redeveloped stadium. Couldn't have asked for much better.

I know Shels weren't keen on the deal, and I can see why, but do they have any concrete plan for the future?

CSF

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Pretty much as good as we could have hoped for. Debt (Or at least most of it) cleared and a redeveloped stadium. Couldn't have asked for much better.

I know Shels weren't keen on the deal, and I can see why, but do they have any concrete plan for the future?

No, but Dalymount would have made forming such a plan impossible. Nobody that matters would have seen it as a temporary means to an end, rather as an end in itself, and ironically, an end is probably exactly what it would turn out to be.

GLaDOS

Yeah that's fair enough. How stable are Shels in the short terms remaining at Tolka?

CSF

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Yeah that's fair enough. How stable are Shels in the short terms remaining at Tolka?

Probably not that stable, there are floodlight issues that represent another problem also. We do need to find an escape plan for sure, but Dalymount definitely wasn't that.

Zebra3

sidcon wrote: »

Shels have been kicked to the kerb, Bohs all the way
Bohemians make deal over future of Dalymount Park http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/bohemians-make-deal-over-future-of-dalymount-park-1.2232262#.VWnAOWvImbA.twitter via @IrishTimes

I'm curious as to how you think Shels have been "kicked to the kerb"?

The reality of the situation is that Shels have been involved in some discussion with the DCC and the option for the club to move in is still there, but the deal for the Council to buy Dalymount no longer involves Tolka.

Whether Shels move in or not, there'll be other tenants apart from Bohs in Dalymount.

anncoates

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Pretty much as good as we could have hoped for. Debt (Or at least most of it) cleared and a redeveloped stadium. Couldn't have asked for much better.

Won't you be like, homeless, now?

Zebra3

anncoates wrote: »

Won't you be like, homeless, now?

Council house, etc....

doncarlos

Some interesting points from a recent interview with Dundalk's chairman

- Pitch being replaced at the end of the season with a new 3g pitch. Same as FAIs in abbotstown. Cost of €250-€300k
- DFC taking over the selection, coaching and management of the Dundalk & District schoolboys league representative teams. DFC will supply facilities, funding and UEFA A&B licensed coaches. This will be for u11s to u16s
- Most players re-signed for next year and budget will be the same.
- Budget left to bring in player(s) in July
- Expect to make healthy profit this year with all profits going in to redevelopment of oriel. Away section mentioned. Any additional prize money from Europe will be put into stadium redevelopment
-Claims that Dundalk have joint third highest budget and big gap to rest
-Club doesn't have lease for Oriel and can't get grants until lease is secured. FAI will back club with redevelopment. Confident of getting it.

Gavin "shels"

doncarlos wrote: »

- Budget left to bring in player(s) in July
- Expect to make healthy profit this year with all profits going in to redevelopment of oriel. Away section mentioned. Any additional prize money from Europe will be put into stadium redevelopment

Some English striker is meant to be signing in the summer.

Think the issue with the away section as someone else owns the land behind the goal down that way.

doncarlos

Gavin shels wrote: »

Think the issue with the away section as someone else owns the land behind the goal down that way.

Behind those goals is the road to the Youth Development Centre so would need a bit of imagination to build something that side. Enough space there for a stand as was seen when the temp stand went in.

dundalkfc10

doncarlos wrote: »

Behind those goals is the road to the Youth Development Centre so would need a bit of imagination to build something that side. Enough space there for a stand as was seen when the temp stand went in.

The grants money is held up as Dundalk only lease Oriel Park. They can't get full grants until they acquire the lease off the Casey family. Skinny Bond said hopefully we will own the lease soon but these things take time

dan1895

This seems strange, Gormley gone from Cabinteely

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/cabinteely-part-company-with-eddie-gormley-after-just-two-wins-31272319.html

To Elland Back

Wexford Youths have announced that there will be free admission for EVERYBODY at their replayed match V Athlone on Tuesday 9th June. Hopefully, it will bring a few curious newbies out to Ferrycarrig Park

http://www.wexfordyouthsfc.ie/club-news/490-free-entry-for-athlone-town-re-scheduled-match-09-05-2015

Pighead

Good news for UCD. Their European adventure is officially ON! Go students!

UEFA has informed the Football Association of Ireland that it has granted special permission to UCD to participate in the 2015-16 UEFA Europa League.

The FAI had made a request to UEFA for the extraordinary application of the club licensing system in respect of UCD, in accordance with Article 15 and Annex IV of the UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations (Edition 2012). UEFA made its decision following the assessment of the documentary evidence which had been submitted in order to demonstrate compliance with the set criteria.



UCD, who play in the SSE Airtricity League First Division, had qualified for the Europa League after the Republic of Ireland was granted an extra place after finishing third in UEFA’s 2014-15 Fair Play table. UCD had finished third in the 2014 SSE Airtricity League Fair Play table but qualified as first place Dundalk and second place Cork City had already qualified for the Champions League and Europa League respectively.

djpbarry

Pighead wrote: »

UEFA has informed the Football Association of Ireland that it has granted special permission to UCD to participate in the 2015-16 UEFA Europa League.

Why was special permission required?

wadacrack

When is teh draw for the European ties in Europa and Champions League

Pighead

djpbarry wrote: »

Why was special permission required?

Think it's because UCD aren't in the Premier Division. Any club outside the top division has to apply for a special license if they've qualified for Europe

wadacrack wrote: »

When is the draw for the European ties in Europa and Champions League

I know the 1st and 2nd qualifying round for Champions League draw is on the 22nd of June. Not sure about Europa.
Dundalk's potential opponents are as follows:

Romania Steaua București (40.259)
Scotland Celtic (39.080)
Cyprus APOEL (35.460)
Belarus BATE Borisov (35.150)
Bulgaria Ludogorets Razgrad (25.350)
Croatia Dinamo Zagreb (24.700)
Slovenia Maribor (22.225)
Israel Maccabi Tel Aviv (18.200)
Serbia Partizan (14.775)
Sweden Malmö FF (12.545)
Azerbaijan Qarabağ (11.500)
Finland HJK (11.140)
Norway Molde (10.375)
Denmark Midtjylland (7.960)
Hungary Videoton (7.950)
Albania Skënderbeu Korçë (5.575)
Poland Lech Poznan / Legia Warsaw

A few winnable ties for us in there. All about the luck of the draw.

CSF

Pighead wrote: »

Think it's because UCD aren't in the Premier Division. Any club outside the top division has to apply for a special license if they've qualified for Europe


I know the 1st and 2nd qualifying round for Champions League draw is on the 22nd of June. Not sure about Europa.
Dundalk's potential opponents are as follows:

Romania Steaua București (40.259)
Scotland Celtic (39.080)
Cyprus APOEL (35.460)
Belarus BATE Borisov (35.150)
Bulgaria Ludogorets Razgrad (25.350)
Croatia Dinamo Zagreb (24.700)
Slovenia Maribor (22.225)
Israel Maccabi Tel Aviv (18.200)
Serbia Partizan (14.775)
Sweden Malmö FF (12.545)
Azerbaijan Qarabağ (11.500)
Finland HJK (11.140)
Norway Molde (10.375)
Denmark Midtjylland (7.960)
Hungary Videoton (7.950)
Albania Skënderbeu Korçë (5.575)
Poland Lech Poznan / Legia Warsaw

A few winnable ties for us in there. All about the luck of the draw.

Would be rooting for one of the 3 Scandinavian teams if I was a Dundalk fan, both in terms of chances of winning, and the trip.

doncarlos

Videoton would be a great draw. Handy enough to get to and cheap as chips over there.

I'd happily take Celtic also. Would be a great trip for the fans and could likely take a few hundred over, financially good for the club and I honestly feel we would have a chance at beating them

major bill

doncarlos wrote: »

Videoton would be a great draw. Handy enough to get to and cheap as chips over there.

I'd happily take Celtic also. Would be a great trip for the fans and could likely take a few hundred over, financially good for the club and I honestly feel we would have a chance at beating them

and you would take their seeding into the next round but they wont be the pushovers they were last year.

Captain Havoc

I hope they don't get Celtic, cringefest.

uch

CSF wrote: »

Would be rooting for one of the 3 Scandinavian teams if I was a Dundalk fan, both in terms of chances of winning, and the trip.

Wouldn't fancy getting Malmo tbf, good side

SteelyDanJalapeno

Any list for Cork's possible opponents in the Europa? list is probably 80+ all the same, would love a welsh club

uch

TiltedBrain wrote: »

Any list for Cork's possible opponents in the Europa? list is probably 80+ all the same, would love a welsh club

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015–16_UEFA_Europa_League#First_qualifying_round

CSF

Can Pats/Rovers (seeded teams) get Cork/UCD (unseeded) or are teams kept apart from the various pools?

major bill

CSF wrote: »

Can Pats/Rovers (seeded teams) get Cork/UCD (unseeded) or are teams kept apart from the various pools?

Teams from Same countries are kept apart until the knockout stages

doncarlos

CSF wrote: »

Can Pats/Rovers (seeded teams) get Cork/UCD (unseeded) or are teams kept apart from the various pools?

Teams from same countries are kept apart until the knockout stage

doncarlos

major bill wrote: »

and you would take their seeding into the next round but they wont be the pushovers they were last year.

Wont take their seeding as draw is done before round is over. It's different for the Europa league

doncarlos

major bill wrote: »

Teams from Same countries are kept apart until the knockout stages

doncarlos wrote: »

Teams from same countries are kept apart until the knockout stage

Haha word for word the exact same post.

MD1990

Will Dundalk be allowed to play the 2nd round CL at Oriel?