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Gardai and bystanders injured as teenagers go on a crime rampage

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    #122
    prizefighter
    Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭prizefighter


    end of the road wrote: »
    not true. there are plenty of places for people to come into australia illegally and hide out. the immigration drones might be more active over there but if america can't stop illegals from getting in anywhere with all the money they throw at it then what hope has australia. america might be land connected in parts but both land and beach have their own advantages and disadvantages

    So you think people can live under the radar of the Australian immigration department with ease?! I can tell you from personal experience that you are very wrong. Oh and in terms of arriving on beaches here, have you read the news about the Australian boarder protection boats that actually escort people smugglers back into international waters. Airports and customs here are impenetrable.
    If by any chance you get through all that, you are implying you can just piss off somewhere and live in the wilderness? Who would want to do that?! Have you seen what lives in the wilds of Australia?!


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    #123
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Tugboats wrote: »
    The list of countries you consider terrorist states must be very big. Do find it difficult to go on a summer holiday?

    Like he ever goes outside his mothers basement


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    #124
    prizefighter
    Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭prizefighter


    Nodin wrote: »
    ...which tired reactionary notion rather ignores the fact that far harsher methods were used in the past against both juveniles and adults and did not work.

    In the past....when we had far less antisocial behaviour, unprovoked assaults, lawless rampaging gangs of delinquent teenagers. Yeah, that sounds terrible.


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    #125
    Smiles35
    Registered Users Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭Smiles35


    Birneybau wrote: »
    Were the Irish what?

    As if ''turf that family out'' comes from green.


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    #126
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Nodin wrote: »
    ...which tired reactionary notion rather ignores the fact that far harsher methods were used in the past against both juveniles and adults and did not work.

    Ah sure they're just poor wee misunderstood lads who wouldn't say boo to a goose :rolleyes:


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    #127
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    prizefighter wrote: »
    In the past....when we had far less antisocial behaviour, unprovoked assaults, lawless rampaging gangs of delinquent teenagers. Yeah, that sounds terrible.


    That would be the mythic "none of that in my day" past you're thinking of.


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    #128
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    prizefighter wrote: »
    So you think people can live under the radar of the Australian immigration department with ease?! I can tell you from personal experience that you are very wrong. Oh and in terms of arriving on beaches here, have you read the news about the Australian boarder protection boats that actually escort people smugglers back into international waters. Airports and customs here are impenetrable.
    If by any chance you get through all that, you are implying you can just piss off somewhere and live in the wilderness? Who would want to do that?! Have you seen what lives in the wilds of Australia?!
    if your determined to get in and slip under the radar in any country, it can be done.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #129
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    Ah sure they're just poor wee misunderstood lads who wouldn't say boo to a goose :rolleyes:


    Did I post that or imply it anywhere in the thread?


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    #130
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    end of the road wrote: »
    if your determined to get in and slip under the rader in any country, it can be done.

    So what about punishment shootings? Hard to slip in in under the radar half crippled.


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    #131
    C.K Dexter Haven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,711 ✭✭✭C.K Dexter Haven


    RobYourBuilder wrote: »
    The media speaking in code again. 'Youths'.


    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3b/f9/35/3bf93575554c4ce07c4d7a9729aecccc.jpg


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    #132
    mikeym
    Registered Users Posts: 3,985 ✭✭✭mikeym


    I suppose their under 18 which means they will get treated more leniently.


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    #133
    prizefighter
    Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭prizefighter


    Skylinehead wrote: »
    Sure, for the people that committed the crime. But I'm failing to see what the family did wrong.



    Again, collective punishment is a bit draconian isn't it?

    People agreed with the idea of punishing the parents of kids who don't attend school. Is it such a leap of logic to punish parents of kids who don't abide by the law. In fairness I'd place morality and ethics in higher esteem than literacy or mathematical ability.


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    #134
    Gatling
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    An example needs to be set prison then deport them and there families back to their country of origin .
    Yes the family set the example this behaviour won't be tolerated
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    #135
    K.Flyer
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    end of the road wrote: »
    if your determined to get in and slip under the rader in any country, it can be done.

    Car jacking and assaulting people, including members of the police force, is not exactly staying under the radar though.


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    #136
    prizefighter
    Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭prizefighter


    Nodin wrote: »
    That would be the mythic "none of that in my day" past you're thinking of.

    So you are saying that Ireland in the 30's had gangs of roving juvenile delinquents kicking the piss out of people and burning out cars. Must have missed that episode Reeling in the Years.


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    #137
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    prizefighter wrote: »
    So you are saying that Ireland in the 30's had gangs of roving juvenile delinquents kicking the piss out of people and burning out cars. Must have missed that episode Reeling in the Years.


    There were barely any cars to burn.
    http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/the-animals-who-prowled-1930s-dublin-26878497.html


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    #138
    prizefighter
    Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭prizefighter


    end of the road wrote: »
    if your determined to get in and slip under the radar in any country, it can be done.

    Do you know what living under the radar would entail in a day to day context. Your name can be on NOTHING no bank acc, credit card, electricity bill, phone bill , no tax number, cash in hand work, avoiding the authorities at every turn so even running a red light could see you sent to detention centre and deported. Sounds like a dream.


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    #139
    ricero
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    end of the road wrote: »
    no we should deport you instead for describing people as "slavs" and its slaves by the way. either way, disgusting comment

    Lol slaves ha


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    #140
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    ricero wrote: »
    Lol slaves ha

    He's got a rather wobbly high horse there :pac:


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    #141
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    prizefighter wrote: »
    People agreed with the idea of punishing the parents of kids who don't attend school.

    i didn't and i don't. whatever about sending someone around to physically take the child to school, sending a parent to jail costs the tax payer money that could be put to better use
    prizefighter wrote: »
    Is it such a leap of logic to punish parents of kids who don't abide by the law.

    yes.
    prizefighter wrote: »
    In fairness I'd place morality and ethics in higher esteem than literacy or mathematical ability.

    collective punishment is immoral

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #142
    Tugboats
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    end of the road wrote: »
    oh you are. not legally, but since when did that stop people.

    If they were caught second time around in Australia the family would be deported for being illegal immigrants. Do you support the deportation of illegal immigrants or is that the actions of a terrorist state?


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    #143
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Gatling wrote: »
    An example needs to be set prison then deport them and there families back to their country of origin .
    Yes the family set the example this behaviour won't be tolerated
    no example can be set. only a punishment can be doled out, which is prison hopefully

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #144
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    K.Flyer wrote: »
    Car jacking and assaulting people, including members of the police force, is not exactly staying under the radar though.
    i never said it was

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #145
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    end of the road wrote: »
    i didn't and i don't. whatever about sending someone around to physically take the child to school, sending a parent to jail costs the tax payer money that could be put to better use



    yes.



    collective punishment is immoral

    As a proud Sinn Fein supporter, do you think punishment shootings are morally superior to collective punishment?


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    #146
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    prizefighter wrote: »
    So you are saying that Ireland in the 30's had gangs of roving juvenile delinquents kicking the piss out of people and burning out cars. Must have missed that episode Reeling in the Years.
    no, just adults getting drunk and beating the **** out of each other.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #147
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    prizefighter wrote: »
    Do you know what living under the radar would entail in a day to day context. Your name can be on NOTHING no bank acc, credit card, electricity bill, phone bill , no tax number, cash in hand work, avoiding the authorities at every turn so even running a red light could see you sent to detention centre and deported. Sounds like a dream.
    well compared to some of the dumps some immigrants come from, it probably is

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #148
    K.Flyer
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    end of the road wrote: »
    well compared to some of the dumps some immigrants come from, it probably is

    Well if where they come from is that bad you would think that they would have more respect for the Law and the Citizens of their host country instead of acting like two little scumbags.


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    #149
    prizefighter
    Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭prizefighter


    Nodin wrote: »
    There were barely any cars to burn.
    http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/the-animals-who-prowled-1930s-dublin-26878497.html

    It doesn't mention them beating up unarmed civilians. In fact that article highlights that outside of rival gangs these 'animals' were seen as normal people who fed the poor and one saved a drowning woman. So you are sticking to your prior point that Ireland had just as much violent crime and delinquency in the 30's as to now?!


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    #150
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Tugboats wrote: »
    Do you support the deportation of illegal immigrants?

    i'm not bothered by it if its done in a fair and transparent process. i'm not of the delusian though that those who are deported can't come back and slip in undetected. no immigration system is perfect or seal proof no matter how much people delude themselves that the y are.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #151
    darkpagandeath
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    So much fail in this thread, 16 yearolds are the responsibility of the parents. If they cannot parent them, then the state needs to either take these ruffians into care or put them in jail and then deport the lot of them to place of origin. As the parents again are responsible for the actions on people under the age of 18. So if their own values support the actions of said under 18s they are not going to be part of a law abiding society. That then would be grounds for deportation, supporting actions of criminals.


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