Love Ulster Part Deux

Spirit of 67

CrabRevolution wrote: »

I really really doubt this went all the way up to Enda and Co, they have nothing to do with it. Whatever the role of the government is, I really hope having to approve or disapprove every application for parade/protest in Ireland isn't one of them. That said, it would explain why they are so lacking in other areas.

Of course it does , Michael McDowall was responsible for facilitating the last one !

AngryHippie

everybody who cares, line up along the route and do a slow-motion mexican wave of arses at them. (similar to the Braveheart mooning)
Nothing say we love Ulster like a street lined with pastey white arsehole winking at them.

No need for violence. Instead, use the oldest animal expression of go and get fucked that there is. With the tv coverage that will be present the whole world will get to see exactly how we feel about post colonial imperialism.

Then everyone can high five and go to the pub safe in the knowledge that you've made complete and utter idiots of the entire Love Ulster Brigade.

It will take a lot of discipline to stop the scobies lobbing missiles, but the nature of the statement should appeal to their juvenile senses of humor.

All in the name of harmless fun and unity.

Crooked Jack

sunshine and showers wrote: »

Can someone remind me again of the point of this?

Willie announced two years ago that he was going to hold a parade on O'Connell street on Easter Sunday, a deliberate attempt to cause trouble.
A few weeks after announcing it the parade was quietly dropped.
A month or two ago a former cohort of Frazer's announced online that the reason the parade was called off was cause either the southern govt. or the council slipped him a few quid.
Frazer, who has a history of dodgy dealing when it comes to money, held a press conference to deny this where he announced Love Ulster II.
It's a distraction from Willie's suspect finances and the utter failure that his Protestant Coalition party has predictably become.

Crooked Jack

Yiikes wrote: »

People like Frazer remind me why the border is a great thing. I couldnt hack sharing a country with the bigot.

Ironically, you sound like the man himself here.

boetstark

Letree wrote: »

Willie is the product of a half hearted sperm and a rotten egg.

He has alot more integrity and guts than you.
He is prepared to march " behind enemy lines " for his beliefs.
You, less said the better

sunshine and showers

I'm seeing a lot of responses about this being trolling. Could someone not just tell Willie how to set up a Boards account and be done with it?

Karl Stein

boetstark wrote: »

He has alot more ... guts than you.

The blood needed to power all those guts must be starving his brain of oxygen.

Spirit of 67

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RL_eEM3xTA . . . .

Spirit of 67

boetstark wrote: »

He has alot more integrity and guts than you.
He is prepared to march " behind enemy lines " for his beliefs.
You, less said the better

"behind enemy lines" :eek: !

Crooked Jack

boetstark wrote: »

He has alot more integrity and guts than you.
He is prepared to march " behind enemy lines " for his beliefs.
You, less said the better

willie frazer?? Integrity?? Exactly how much do you know about this man?

aidoh

Spirit of 67 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RL_eEM3xTA . . . .

The coat-hanger hook hand had me in stitches here.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

I have no wish to see violence occur on the day. However, I remember being secretly glad that it kicked off that day in 2006. The Republican in me retches at the thought of those tossers marching down our country's main thoroughfare rubbing it in our faces. I hear the more pacifist and mature of you saying that ignoring these morons is better and part of me agrees. However, the bigger part of me screams no. I have literally noidea how this has been given the go-ahead.

SaveOurLyric

Letree wrote: »

Look up some of his youtube videos. He is not down here to make friends.

Thanks.

Cant see how you conclude that though. I saw some of the youtube videos and he looks like he is another victim of the troubles, loosing his father, and having his own car bombed. All the more reason to respond positively when someone like that wants to let bygones be bygones and establish friendly relations.

Is it Dublin rather than Belfast that is struggling to come to terms with the peaceful resolution to the Ulster question ?

SaveOurLyric

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: »

I have no wish to see violence occur on the day. However, I remember being secretly glad that it kicked off that day in 2006. The Republican in me retches at the thought of those tossers marching down our country's main thoroughfare rubbing it in our faces. I hear the more pacifist and mature of you saying that ignoring these morons is better and part of me agrees. However, the bigger part of me screams no. I have literally noidea how this has been given the go-ahead.

"citizen's highway"

languagenerd

Oh for feck's sake. Who gave this the go ahead?! Surely public safety is at stake here? As much as I'd love everyone to completely ignore him, we all know that won't happen. It's pure provocation and incitement to hatred; I just can't believe someone gave permission for this after the last one.

And Irish taxpayers will foot the huge policing bill to keep him safe on his little jaunt...

riffmongous

Spirit of 67 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RL_eEM3xTA . . . .

Mr. Integrity right there:pac:

suicide_circus

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Thanks.

Cant see how you conclude that though. I saw some of the youtube videos and he looks like he is another victim of the troubles, loosing his father, and having his own car bombed. All the more reason to respond positively when someone like that wants to let bygones be bygones and establish friendly relations.

Is it Dublin rather than Belfast that is struggling to come to terms with the peaceful resolution to the Ulster question ?

Yeah not a day goes by without some kind of sectarian skirmish going on either side of the Dublin peace wall.

strobe

A tunnel of people that stand and clap sarcastically, that'd be how you win the game. But I envisage the game not being won.

pablo128

I might head in to it. I could do with a new pair of runners or 6. Better not forget to bring my scarf. It could be chilly.

The_Valeyard

pablo128 wrote: »

I might head in to it. I could do with a new pair of runners or 6. Better not forget to bring my scarf. It could be chilly.

Yeah I didnt get that, why rob footlocker when the sony centre was across the road??? Do looters not have any style!!

Spirit of 67

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Thanks.

Cant see how you conclude that though. I saw some of the youtube videos and he looks like he is another victim of the troubles, loosing his father, and having his own car bombed. All the more reason to respond positively when someone like that wants to let bygones be bygones and establish friendly relations.

Is it Dublin rather than Belfast that is struggling to come to terms with the peaceful resolution to the Ulster question ?

His Father was a member of the Glenanne Gang , he was not an innocent victim and everyone who knows anything about the Clown knows he set fire to the Car himself for insurance purposes ! And someone who is marching "behind enemy lines" is hardly looking to let bygones be bygones !

Albertofrog

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Willie announced two years ago that he was going to hold a parade on O'Connell street on Easter Sunday, a deliberate attempt to cause trouble.
A few weeks after announcing it the parade was quietly dropped.
A month or two ago a former cohort of Frazer's announced online that the reason the parade was called off was cause either the southern govt. or the council slipped him a few quid.
Frazer, who has a history of dodgy dealing when it comes to money, held a press conference to deny this where he announced Love Ulster II.
It's a distraction from Willie's suspect finances and the utter failure that his Protestant Coalition party has predictably become.

Not a few quid - €250,000 is what's alledged

Nodin

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Which would be progress, and promote the celebration of the greater integration and understanding between the two countries. Cultural exchange is a positive tool in the promotion of greater peace and prosperity.

I havent heard of him, but take it this Willie Frazer is the man behind this initiative ? Then kudos too him and hope the knockers here are only a minority, unrepresentative of the vaste majority of southern Irish people who are only delighted to have a develop friendships and relationships with people from Ulster.
............

That was sort of obvious. Seeing as you hadn't heard of him, and noticing the hostility towards him, did it not occur to look into his background in case you might be giving "kudos" to a rather odious individual?

SaveOurLyric wrote:

he looks like he is another victim of the troubles

....the man who offered no help to a local protestant man whose son was killed by the UVF, and who was caught scamming money from the EU, who has a deep sectarian hatred of catholics. Who faked bomb threats against himself. Who can't get elected anywhere to anything in NI.

languagenerd

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Thanks.

Cant see how you conclude that though. I saw some of the youtube videos and he looks like he is another victim of the troubles, loosing his father, and having his own car bombed. All the more reason to respond positively when someone like that wants to let bygones be bygones and establish friendly relations.

Is it Dublin rather than Belfast that is struggling to come to terms with the peaceful resolution to the Ulster question ?

Just on the off-chance you seriously think Willie Frazer's trying to "let bygones be bygones and establish friendly relations", let us all take a moment to remember that when Belfast City Council decided to stop flying the Union Jack daily, Frazer wanted to march on the Dail and steal the tricolour. Yes, he wanted to protest in Ireland about a council decision made in another country, which had absolutely nothing to do with our govt.

Provocation, nothing more. He knows people will get riled up by his arrival and he can sit back and laugh while some Dubs destroy their own city to "protest" against him, while he's also able to rally support up home by pretending the reaction was anti-Ulster rather than anti-Frazer.

Oh, and acc to the Irish Times, he's essentially doing it to hold the government to ransom: "give me what I demand, or I'll hold this parade". He knows damn well it will cause trouble and that's precisely why he's doing it.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/love-ulster-parade-planned-for-dublin-next-month-1.2098870

rainbowdrop

This is an absolutely crazy idea. This country is already a tinder-box at the moment due to the anti-water charges, and the anger at the government.

If this is allowed to go ahead it will be the spark that lights the fuse and there will be major riots. I 100% believe this will happen, no doubt in my mind.

Arsemageddon

rainbowdrop wrote: »

This country is already a tinder-box at the moment due to the anti-water charges, and the anger at the government.

By any chance are you a hermit and your only source of contact with the outside world is the Sunday Independent?

cournioni

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Will Cavan be taking part?

It's just that I can find some love in my heart for most of Ulster, just not Cavan.

Great little county.

rainbowdrop

Arsemageddon wrote: »

By any chance are you a hermit and your only source of contact with the outside world is the Sunday Independent?

Lol! I don't read newspapers but I've been at a lot of the water protests and follow comments on social media, and the amount of sheer anger in this country at the moment is unreal.
This 'Love Ulster' march, if it's allowed to go ahead may tip already angry people over the edge.

If Willie Fraser et al love Ulster so much, why not flipping march in Ulster?

Arsemageddon

rainbowdrop wrote: »

If Willie Fraser et al love Ulster so much, why not flipping march in Ulster?

They've been doing that for the last few hundred years and their getting bored of it now.

Marching in Dublin is a bit more innovative and challenging. It's kind of like an extreme sport for twats.

Kermit.de.frog

languagenerd wrote: »

And Irish taxpayers will foot the huge policing bill to keep him safe on his little jaunt...

And we'll be paying for a smashed up city center as well don't forget.

And of course the riot will be shown around the world, like last time, giving a very bad image which potentially has other costs too.

It's not the right decision for Dublin nor public safety which is the critical issue. The gardai will have have questions to answer after this - just like last time.

Can't we not just do this instead?

Raise money for an Irish language programme, or gay rights or something?

It would be hilarious

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/18/neo-nazis-tricked-into-raising-10000-for-charity

Gerinspain

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Thanks.

Cant see how you conclude that though. I saw some of the youtube videos and he looks like he is another victim of the troubles, loosing his father, and having his own car bombed. All the more reason to respond positively when someone like that wants to let bygones be bygones and establish friendly relations.

Is it Dublin rather than Belfast that is struggling to come to terms with the peaceful resolution to the Ulster question ?

Willie's idea of a peaceful resolution is to go back to the old days when people knew their place!

He announced this march to deflect attention from the accusations that he had received €250,000 from the Irish government to cancel his last planned Love Ulster march.

MRnotlob606

Well if the place gets wrecked the government are truly at fault for not being prescient.

Smiles35

It's been so long since the Prodestant reformation that the Muslim reformation is now all the rage. It's like someone trying to escape from a time capsule coverd in cobwebs.

Teyla Emmagan

It'll end up being another riot. If I had a business on O'Connell St I would shut it down for the day. Because all our local scumbags had such a great time looting and fighting at the last one that they'll head in to meet their Northern brethren in their droves. This stupid parade is basically a blank cheque for the Gardai.

Have we established if Celtic are playing yet?

kfallon

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

Have we established if Celtic are playing yet?

Eh we don't even know when the March is so.....

The J Stands for Jay

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

someone like that wants to let bygones be bygones and establish friendly relations.

That's the opposite of what Wullie wants.

RayCon

Honest question .... does a parade not need a license / permission ? ... Just refuse his application on the grounds of safety. Why the fcuk is he being secretly (allegedly) paid off with €250,000 ?


If that's all it take to "earn" €250,000 I might hold a "Ulster Is Fcuking class" march myself ...

John_Rambo

languagenerd wrote: »

Provocation, nothing more. He knows people will get riled up by his arrival and he can sit back and laugh while some Dubs destroy their own city to "protest" against him

I was in Dublin city centre when the last march took place. Plenty of visitors up to cause trouble that time, Donegal, Midland, Galway and Cork accents amongst the rest of the fools that rioted.

You're right though, anyone that thinks this is nothing more than provocation hasn't a notion what's going on.

SpaceTime

I'm not really sure how this is supposed to help North-South Relations.

If there's violence on the streets, all it does is copper-fasten the view that many Dubliners have that Northern Ireland is some kind of dangerous place and could actually do serious damage to the number of visits and tourism from the Dublin area into Northern Ireland.

It also will get Dublin into the international media for all the wrong reasons. We do not want to see riots on the streets, particularly not ones that are connecting us to Northern Irish sectarian violence.

I do quite a few business trips abroad and even in Europe there are people who think that Ireland's a war-zone and I get questions like "how do you put up with all the bombs, terrorism and shootings?"

I have to explain that there hasn't really been any terrorism in Cork City in a very long time and that actually here in Brussels there's a *FAR* higher risk of it and recent incidents....

I do think that there's a serious risk though could kick something off in Dublin which will have nothing to do with Love Ulster or Northern Ireland too. The timing is pretty stupid and I don't see how this march/parade or whatever it is could possibly be seen as a welcome development.

I also don't think some people in Northern Ireland realise quite how disconnected the average Dubliner is from Northern Irish politics. I doubt many people in O'Connell Street on a typical day will have much of a comprehension about what it's all about. I know there are many people in the Republic who do have a deep interest in Northern Ireland's politics, but there are a very much larger number who really will just see this is a massive inconvenience and some "culchies or something" trashing the place.

I'm not saying that as a political statement, I am simply commenting on the fact that many people in Dublin do not know that there's anything outside the M50.

We have enough going on with trying to keep an economic recovery on track to be worrying about this kind of thing!

Also, has Dublin City Council had a think about how this will play out for tourism, foreign direct investment etc if there's a big messy riot all over CNN, CNBC, Euronews, BBC World, RT, Al Jazeera etc etc?

Egginacup

Philo Beddoe wrote: »

For the majority of people in this country an orange march down O'Connell St is at best a comical example of the kind of triumphalism which dominates politics in the north, and at worst an attempt to provoke us into a reaction which is best ignored with a bit of an eye-roll. Unfortunately in every society there exist those who can't simply laugh or roll their eyes but who must rise up to provocation. O'Connell St is not the Garvaghy Road.

All the more reason to neither allow it with the rolley-eyes nor to riot but to simply issue a polite refusal.
These loyalist fools are only interested in one-upmanship, not rights, or heritage or culture or any of that other crap they profess to respect. Just say to them "Thank you for the request, gentlemen but we must graciously decline."
When they ask "Why? What are your reasons for refusing?", just respond "Oh, no reason. Have a nice day." And then hang up the phone.

Leave them fuming that not only did they not get their way but that they couldn't draw you into some kind of confrontation which is always what they want.

Crooked Jack

I wish some posters would direct their (perfectly understandable) ire about this farce where it belongs, at Frazer and his cronies, not the north or Ulster in general.

Arsemageddon

pablo128 wrote: »

I might head in to it. I could do with a new pair of runners or 6.

Are you part of a human centipede?

Seanachai

RayCon wrote: »

Honest question .... does a parade not need a license / permission ? ... Just refuse his application on the grounds of safety. Why the fcuk is he being secretly (allegedly) paid off with €250,000 ?


If that's all it take to "earn" €250,000 I might hold a "Ulster Is Fcuking class" march myself ...

Is this some sort of EU grant his group gets?. They must be the worst s*'t stirrers that ever lived, they know full well that there's already going to be young fellas organising how to unleash hell on them.

rolliepoley

Only one outcome, change this with Dublin there is still a lot of anger here.

pablo128

Arsemageddon wrote: »

Are you part of a human centipede?

Well if they're free, sure you'd be as well getting a few pairs!:pac:

C.O.Y.B.I.B

Seems this is to go ahead on the 28th March. Same day as Dublin v Derry in Croke Park. What could possibly go wrong?

Jimmy Garlic

C.O.Y.B.I.B wrote: »

Seems this is to go ahead on the 28th March. Same day as Dublin v Derry in Croke Park. What could possibly go wrong?

Wee Willy and his bewildered cult must have great confidence in the Gardai. If they fail to protect them for whatever reason then Willy and his traveling freak show better find the nearest parish priest and ask him for refuge.

supersean1999

In what other country would this bs be allowed to happen. What a panzy pc state we are. If the dublin v derry game is on that day it will be like the ukraine on the streets of dublin

conorhal

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Wee Willy and his bewildered cult must have great confidence in the Gardai. If they fail to protect them for whatever reason then Willy and his traveling freak show better find the nearest parish priest and ask him for refuge.

I'd make it perfectly clear to Wee Willy if I were the government that they resepct his 'right to march' and have assigned two guards to sit in an unmarked car to 'ensure the security' of his march. Something tells me pretty much every single one of them would suddenly find something really urgent that they needed to do that Saturday and he'd probably find himself marching alone.