Deactivate a firearm

black powder colt

Is there anywhere in Ireland that can deactivate a firearm im guessing no thats probably expecting too much but i have to ask anyway also is there anyone i can contact for information apart from my local district garda station as a call to them will as always be a complete waste of time and phone credit.

Witcher

A RFD will usually do it or know where to send it to have it done.

black powder colt

I have called a couple of them and got the never heard of that response who is worth talking to

meathstevie

black powder colt wrote: »

I have called a couple of them and got the never heard of that response who is worth talking to

Find a qualified gunsmith, he'll definitely know how to permanently decommission a rifle or shotgun and leave it cosmetically intact.

Mezamo

Tony Curran Ardee Sports think they charge €50 and give you a letter for the cops

Grizzly 45

Mezamo wrote: »

Tony Curran Ardee Sports think they charge €50 and give you a letter for the cops

Just make sure it is a tastefully done deact.Some deacts are horrible and no better than a welded up lump if metal.

juice1304

i would ask to have it done the way they do here in Germany, six holes in the barrel under the forend, cut the bolt at a 45 degree angle, chop the firing pin, weld the firing pin hole/holes, and weld a plug into the chamber then it still dry fires etc.. but it is useless.

Grizzly 45

Just make sure the seven holes drilled from the chamber onwards are at least one quarter the dia of the bore,and the 7th hole must have a steel pin welded in place for that German deact to be done absolutely correct.;)
Its the "old spec" UK deact,which actually makes the deact more valueable too.

black powder colt

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Just make sure the seven holes drilled from the chamber onwards are at least one quarter the dia of the bore,and the 7th hole must have a steel pin welded in place for that German deact to be done absolutely correct.;)
Its the "old spec" UK deact,which actually makes the deact more valueable too.

Thanks thats good to know Its a funny country we live in when a gun is worth just as much broken if not more then when live firing not to mention easier to sell.

Heckler

Being pessimistic for a moment. If all these nonsense changes come to pass my .22 pistol isn't going to be worth a cent. Markets gonna be flooded with people looking to sell. If I was to hold onto it and get it deactivated do I have to get a new licence for a deact ? Does a deact still have to be kept in a safe or is it regarded the same as an airsoft ?

I've heard rumblings that S&W and Hammerlis are top of the new list of proposed banned pistols. Unsaid but presumably because they are the amongst the most commonly held handgun in the civilian population.

Seems like the PTB just don't want any members of the public having any type of handgun despite stats and reasoned debate.

Grizzly 45

Whole new can of worms and court cases will be opened then about compensation for property and devaluation that will fo as far as Europa.

Heckler

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Whole new can of worms and court cases will be opened then about compensation for property and devaluation that will fo as far as Europa.

And rightly so. I don't think anyone on this review board followed the ramifications through at all. What a surprise....

Grizzly 45

Thats the problem with thinking you ,when you are in power,can quick fix solutions that are complex and will not look beyond thinking bans sort out everything..It hasnt sorted out abortion,porn,prostitution,underage drinking,drug taking or people getting hold of immoral litature or watching films ,either here or globally,so should a gun ban work as well??
Hasnt worked anywhere else in the world,and proably contributed to the death toll in NI over the last 30 years,so it will surely work here in Ireland.:rolleyes:

Heckler

I think the biggest issue that's going to reasonate with joe public is "public safety". We all know the argument is nonsense, not backed up by statistics or data, but how do you counter the argument "if it stops even one death then all firearms should be banned".

Its been hinted at in another thread of mine that owning firearms is some kind of shameful secret that should be kept hidden lest you be labeled a "gun nut".

Thats the top trump they have thats going to promote scaremongering headlines and get people on their side. Anyone with no interest or knowledge of firearms are just going to say yup ban them all because it doesn't affect them.

Grizzly 45

At one time it was a dreadful thing to be gay,punishable by imprisonment and social outcastness in Ireland.Today we have a gay minister for health,a gay senator or two and are on the cusp of voting for same sex marrige.Have a gay minister for health,a gay senator or two,and three of our famous authors were gay too. So as I've always said it's best for us to come out of the closet about it,and say Yeah I'm a "gun nut" to use an un PC and deogoratory term and what are you goin to do about it??I'm not ashamed of owning guns or hunting and never will be,and if someone has a problem with it,thats their bad luck!As the lads said so well on the comittee,we are Irish citizens too and are not second class citizens in our own country because we own firearms.The more people see something the less frightning it becomes.

"the old if it saves just one life" chestnut is at this stage farsical and public saftey just as much.You are four times more likely to be killed in a road accident caused by some speed nut or a drunk than be shot in Ireland.So because inanimate objects used by reckless idiots cause more carnage on our roads in a year than 165 years of gun ownership has,maybe cars with automatic gear boxes should be banned too in the intrests of saving lives as you need more time to changre gears to build up more speed in a manual box and "public saftey." is therefore assured?
But someone might pick up a gun and there have been bad atrocities caused by liscensed gun owners." So does that mean every Muslim living peaceably amongst us "might be" a potential jihadist sucidide bomber willing to blow themselves up on O Connel st for some slight,just because bad atrocities have been perputrated by Muslims too,so we had best deport them all??If we can have apologists for such atrocities in our society saying its a few bad apples,maybe the same reasoning applies to us too??

meathstevie

Grizzly, I think you're mistaken in your odds. I reckon the odds of being killed or injured by a licenced firearm in Ireland are more in the order of a massive multiple of four smaller than those of being killed by a mismanaged motor vehicle.

That's excluding minor bruising on one's shoulder from a good day at the pigeons by the way .

Dr Strange

Heckler wrote: »

If I was to hold onto it and get it deactivated do I have to get a new licence for a deact ? Does a deact still have to be kept in a safe or is it regarded the same as an airsoft ?

In cases of deacts you will not need a firearms licence but a letter from your local Superintendent that says you are permitted to hold a defective (deactivated) firearm and maybe the reason (i.e. militaria collector etc.).

In a case known to me the local FO also recommended the deacts to be kept in a gun safe and the Super made this mandatory because the FO recommended it. I am not sure if that's the case in every county/region though.

The permission letter has to be renewed every year or so and you will either have one letter covering all deacts in your possession or one letter per deact.

Sparks

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

I've always said it's best for us to come out of the closet about it,and say Yeah I'm a "gun nut" to use an un PC and deogoratory term and what are you goin to do about it?

Um, so:

• I'm not actually a gun nut, any more than a hurler is a stick nut. I'm a target shooter. I can appreciate better tools for a job, but I don't have any great feelings for the tool itself one way or the other.
• The two things you're comparing there are miles apart. You're talking about a group of people against whom our laws and culture were prejudiced for decades on the basis of an inherent - possibly genetic - property in them that they were powerless to change (hint: you can stop shooting, you just don't want to, that's the difference. You shouldn't have to, but that's a seperate issue). Theirs is an issue of legal rights, because the argument is that their right to be treated equally, which the constitution guaranteed, was being ignored by the law (and no, that's not the whole picture but if you think that you can write a more accurate representation of the situation in 164 characters, please go for it).
• Asking "what are you going to do about it" in that tone of voice prompts a completely legal, difficult to resist response of "ban everything". So could we maybe not prompt that response and instead be less confrontational where possible? Most of the 4.4 million non-firearms-owners in this country don't have it in for us (hell, the full list of people who do probably doesn't make it out of double figures when you write it all down).

You are four times more likely to be killed in a road accident caused by some speed nut or a drunk than be shot in Ireland.

Hm. If you include drug dealers and other criminals, you might be right; but if you just look at licenced firearms, not so much (well, you *could* make up the numbers if you included suicides, but I don't think that's valid myself).
And frankly, if you look at the premature death rates caused by obesity and smoking in that time frame, even drug dealing sociopaths don't look so dangerous...

Grizzly 45

Sparks wrote: »

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I'm not actually a gun nut, any more than a hurler is a stick nut. I'm a target shooter. I can appreciate better tools for a job, but I don't have any great feelings for the tool itself one way or the other.

But try explaining that difference to closed minds...like Mr Mc Grath TD...
to most of the unwashed out there as you have said many times we equal terrorist,criminal,bambis mum killers.Fed on a diet of Hollywood and The daily Scum red banner headlines,how many of them do you think you can convince of those subtle differences? Feck it you and me both know if Broadsheet.ie and the journal.ie is a average repersentation of the intellect of average Irish people on the subject,[esp when it is a US incident],do you think they will know or understand the finer points you are trying to make?

[*]The two things you're comparing there are miles apart.

Snippage of very valid points and explanation.
But what the similarity is is the prejudice and t the same sort of bullying in the work place and media that gay folks were and are subjected to today.
Put it another way..If say a gay couple found their car vandalised with "Homos" keyed into the paintwork,there would be bandwith,and gallons of ink used in printing and writing and politicans falling over themselves to condem this act.
But if say a hunter comes back and finds their car wrecked and HUNTER SCUM carved into it or a furrier or fishing tackle shop owner has their place of biz vandalised,or even more sinister a bunch of cammo clad balaclava wearing thugs descend on a lone game keeper or fox hunter and kick and beat the living daylights out of them,its not reported or considerd newsworthy. in factit is almost a unspoken "god enough for you."attitude out there.As you said yourself,we are Irish citizens too and deserve to be treated with the same respect and dignity as anyone else here,we are no different just because we own firearms.

Put it another way,if someone wanted a gun shaped cake and went to an anti gun confectioner and was refused their order,would we make a song and dance about it in the media or get 30 secs worth of air time?Or would we be just sensible enough to go to a different confectioner and get our cake made there?

[*]Asking "what are you going to do about it" in that tone of voice prompts a completely legal, difficult to resist response of "ban everything"

FIGURE.OF.SPEECH.depending on the situation and person/nodding donkey you are having a discussion with.

Most of the 4.4 million non-firearms-owners in this country don't have it in for us (hell, the full list of people who do probably doesn't make it out of double figures when you write it all down).

Not the quantity I'm worried about,more like the "influential minority in Irish society on the majority "I'm worried about.

Sparks

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

But try explaining that difference to closed minds...like Mr Mc Grath TD...

Get me to the stage where I can do that bit in bold and everything else is grand. Yeah, maybe the one guy I'm talking to won't listen, but the ten thousand undecideds who are listening are the real audience anyway and they just need to see the picture to decide.
Finian's not even the issue here, for example - yeah, he's on the committee which makes him a pain, but even there I'm more interested in knowing the others are well briefed - they aren't scrambling for their seat the way he is (he's looking at being the last one in if he's in at all in the next election according to the politico nerds).

Deaf git

Guns are very different to hurleys or golf sticks.
Gun making has evolved into an art over the last few centuries and most people appreciate art. Some shooters prefer to have game scenes engraved on the action, or gold inlay etc. Doesn't make them shoot any better. The art displayed in top spec target guns is found in the design, standard of machining and boring consistency, but they are still nicely blued or polished just for aesthetics (except izh35 type).
There is nothing pervy about liking quality, workmanship or exclusivety. It's part of human nature, it explains the attraction of designer labels and expensive cars. My Citizen watch keeps great time but dammit I still want a Tag or a Rolex. Am I a 'Watch Nut'?
I have a 1710 Anschutz, it's slightly more consistent at 50m than any CZ I ever owned but cost 3 times as much. Am I a gun nut? I say I'm not, I just like the extra quality. I'm not nuts, I'm discerning.