People who will never get into the HOF or be welcome back into the WWE

Gerry Rio

ShagNastii wrote: »

Bit off topic, but when does Vince go in? If it's done on his watch it'll surely be the next 3/4 years.

Think Steph and Triple H would have to twist his arm for that as he seems quite humble about the HOF. The only time in recent years I can remember him ever on camera on it, even in the audience, was inducting SCSA.

Gerry Rio

The moment Vince legitimately fired Jarrett live on TV.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMJfA0sCUp4&feature=youtu.be&t=1m24s

grames_bond

Gerry Rio wrote: »

The only time in recent years I can remember him ever on camera on it, even in the audience, was inducting SCSA.

He inducted Trump in MSG at Mania 29 too.

D-FENS

D-FENS wrote: »

Can't see Shawn Stasiak or the ICP ever getting a Raw reunion invite

brianregan09 wrote: »

Why ?

I was thinking of Stasiak’s firing for recording a conversation between Bulldog and Blackman, but I forgot he’s been back since then anyway so scrap that.

ICP for this -

RobbingBandit

Shane needs to go in before Vince, he was a ref, a superstar, held two titles and held several office positions, plus he has had a successful career post WWE.

Gerry Rio

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Shane needs to go in before Vince, he was a ref, a superstar, held two titles and held several office positions, plus he has had a successful career post WWE.

There's no doubting he should go in. The guy is amazing and should be in the position Triple H is in now.

But should he go in before the man who, love him or hate him, made WWE what it is today? Not a chance. Will he because Vince is HOF shy? Maybe.

Then again, there's a strong chance that none of the McMahons will ever want to go into HOF.

Agent Coulson

I think Vince will go in posthumously to be honest.

Whosthis

thebostoncrab wrote: »

Not at all. Now that the HoF seems to giving spots to guys who have barely even wrestled in the WWE (In fact some never did like Abdullah). Jarrett made a large enough impression on WCW and has such a big history with wrestling in general I'd be shocked if he didn't appear in the HoF in the next few years.

I am a mark for JJ though I will admit that!

Dynamite I can see going in after his death due to his own health, but it's a damn shame. The mans career was both incredibly important in the story of professional wrestling but it's one whose impact can still be seen on the product today, and not just in one company but across the board. I know he has his own reasons for not wanting to appear in public, but if he saw the response and respect he would receive from fans and his peers it might change his mind. Would be a shame for him to pass away and not see that moment.

I'n sure I've read he was an asshole and the most hated man in the locker room.

RobbingBandit

Bret Hart wrote about Dynamite being a bully and joking around with many backstage pushing Jacques Rougeau into breaking his jaw, Davey Boy Smith screwed him out of the Bulldog name leaving him penniless too.

briany

I doubt poor 'aul Virgil will ever get in. But imagine if he did! He could charge double.

diusmr8a504cvk

Why isn't Davey Boy in the HOF may I ask? Also is Vince really holding a grudge over Ravishing Rick Rude appearing on both shows? I mean the guy wasn't even a wrestler anymore. Honky Tonk was asked a few years back but had to decline due to other bookings, surely you'd think they'd just induct him the following year?

In terms of other guys that should go in, maybe DDP, Diesel seems like a likely candidate even if he did suck, Midnight Express with Jim Cornette would be great, if Sunny is in there then Sable should be and I'm kinda dry for names at the moment so I'll leave it be.

Reebrock

I've always thought the lack of Demolition mentions is crazy considering both guys are still alive. I know there was bad blood between Axe and Vince - but Jesus that was years ago. I doubt either man cares anymore.

MvsC3

I wonder though, as regards Demolition, if they inducted Ax and Smash, would Crush be a bit of a talking point because he died quite young.

gerrybbadd

Renegade

Agent Coulson

There really needs to be a jobber wing for the likes of Barry Horowitz, Iron Mike Sharpe, S.D. Jones & Steve Lombardi etc because if KoKo B Ware can get these guys deserve to be in.

briany

Agent Coulson wrote: »

There really needs to be a jobber wing for the likes of Barry Horowitz, Iron Mike Sharpe, S.D. Jones & Steve Lombardi etc because if KoKo B Ware can get these guys deserve to be in.

That's a great idea. It could be a sardonic thing, a bit like the Razzies, held in what looks like a really crappy hotel function room with some tinsel hanging and a shoddy looking podium with the mic occasionally feeding back. Each jobber would be inducted by the guy, or one of the guys who beat him the most. It could be like a 20 minute network thing. Like the Razzies, a lot of the inductees probably wouldn't show and would probably be annoyed or resigned about being on the list.

diusmr8a504cvk

How long do you think it'll be until we see DX and NWO being inducted?

Gerry Rio

Agent Coulson wrote: »

There really needs to be a jobber wing for the likes of Barry Horowitz, Iron Mike Sharpe, S.D. Jones & Steve Lombardi etc because if KoKo B Ware can get these guys deserve to be in.

The "well KoKo B Ware is in there so X should be too" arguments really need to stop coming up at HOF season

Koko was an incredibily over Babyface with a gimmick you could see from 30 feet away. He was over with kids and very popular overall as far as "enhancement talents" go.

Ive no problem with him being in there but it doesnt mean that he can be used as a crutch every year to justify jobbers getting in.

Omackeral

Xavier High Tangent wrote: »

How long do you think it'll be until we see DX and NWO being inducted?

Who would go in out of each?

Would nWo be just Hogan,Hall and Nash? That'd make Hulk and Razor two time HOF'ers. Who else would/should/could go in?

Would Chyna get in as part of DX? That could actually be a good compromise as the focus wouldnt be on her (as per HHH's controversy issues) but would still recognise her input, and rightly so.

Gerry Rio

briany wrote: »

I doubt poor 'aul Virgil will ever get in. But imagine if he did! He could charge double.

Apart from being a nobody what did he do to stop him getting in? I take it the last bit means he once tried to charge Vince double for a PPV?

Omackeral

Gerry Rio wrote: »

Apart from being a nobody what did he do to stop him getting in? I take it the last bit means he once tried to charge Vince double for a PPV?

I think it's a reference to the meme that he always shows up at these conventions and gets photographed at an empty stall trying to flog his gimmicks.

Whosthis

Agent Coulson

Gerry Rio wrote: »

The "well KoKo B Ware is in there so X should be too" arguments really need to stop coming up at HOF season

Koko was an incredibily over Babyface with a gimmick you could see from 30 feet away. He was over with kids and very popular overall as far as "enhancement talents" go.

Ive no problem with him being in there but it doesnt mean that he can be used as a crutch every year to justify jobbers getting in.

The guys I named were just as over even thought they lost every week on tv. There is a reason 30 years after there prime runs as jobbers they are still remembered fondly even more so than the likes of Koko.

Omackeral

Any day that picture is posted is a good day. Should be posted at least once a month.

Pentecost

Gerry Rio wrote: »

Apart from being a nobody what did he do to stop him getting in? I take it the last bit means he once tried to charge Vince double for a PPV?

The NWO would never have been what it was without "Vincent" in fairness

gnfnrhead

Omackeral wrote: »

Who would go in out of each?

Would nWo be just Hogan,Hall and Nash? That'd make Hulk and Razor two time HOF'ers. Who else would/should/could go in?

Would Chyna get in as part of DX? That could actually be a good compromise as the focus wouldnt be on her (as per HHH's controversy issues) but would still recognise her input, and rightly so.

nWo is easy. Hogan, Nash and Hall. That's what the majority of people associate with the group. DX is the tough one as they had two different (major) line ups and both were very successful. I'd argue the original trio would be more deserving but isn't Michaels already in? Triple H will no doubt want his buddies to get inducted too. Chyna gets left out in my mind, no matter how deserving she may be.

diusmr8a504cvk

I'd say it's possible that Chyna could get into the HOF through DX. For NWO obviously it would be the original three. I could see the two groups being inducted in the same year, WWE would probably make an angle out of it of some sort just for a 5 minute backstage segment.

brianregan09

Cm punk is an interesting one too given all the crap that's happened there

Agent Coulson

brianregan09 wrote: »

Cm punk is an interesting one too given all the crap that's happened there

Punk wouldn't have been going in for a decade at least if he hadn't retired.

Plenty of time left for bridges to be mended between him and the WWE.

briany

Omackeral wrote: »

I think it's a reference to the meme that he always shows up at these conventions and gets photographed at an empty stall trying to flog his gimmicks.

You would be right.

brianregan09 wrote: »

Cm punk is an interesting one too given all the crap that's happened there

I think Punk will get in eventually. If Bret Hart can mend fences after being publicly fecked over on a PPV and seeing his brother die in a WWE ring and having a sit down meeting with Vince in a park where Vince trusted Bret so little that he had snipers trained on Bret in case he tried to kill Vince (source : Bret's RF shoot), then anything can happen. Punk was treated pretty badly, but in comparison to Bret, still not that bad. As they say in wrestling, except about Chyna, 'never say never'.

diusmr8a504cvk

Is there any hope of Chyna mending fences? The start of Queen of the Ring is like something you'd see on Rf Video or YouShoot.

Moneymaker

Xavier High Tangent wrote: »

Is there any hope of Chyna mending fences? The start of Queen of the Ring is like something you'd see on Rf Video or YouShoot.

It's not happening as long as Stephanie McMahon is breathing.

gerrybbadd

Moneymaker wrote: »

It's not happening as long as Stephanie McMahon is breathing.

But does Steph have a problem with her?

Listening to JR's Podcast with X-Pac recently, and it was discussed that Chyna was all set to sign a new contract with the WWE, even after it was found out that Hunter and Steph were together.

JR kinda tried to talk her out of signing, more or less saying, why would you want to come to work every day to see that kinda betrayal staring you in the face, for any amount of money?

Liam McPoyle

Omackeral wrote: »

Any day that picture is posted is a good day. Should be posted at least once a month.

Pretty shytty thing to say IMO, I genuinely feel bad for guys like Virgil that are reduced to that.

Omackeral

Business Cat wrote: »

Pretty shytty thing to say IMO, I genuinely feel bad for guys like Virgil that are reduced to that.

Lighten up, it's a joke.

A Primal Nut

thebostoncrab wrote: »

JJ will 100% make it in, I'd bet anything on it.

Even apart from the obvious controversy at the end of WWF career; he didn't do enough in his two short reigns in the WWF to warrant a Hall of Fame place; and the WWF/E is all they care about (look at Goldberg, same thing). They certainly don't care about what Jarrett done in TNA and won't want to promote that.

The only exception I can see to the above rule is Sting; and only because he was such a big star and more so because he finally came to the WWE last year. Jarrett was nowhere near Sting's level in WCW. Even then I wouldn't bet on Sting to make it in.

There are some other exceptions, but most of those are very old guys who were famous in the pre-Vince McMahon Jr. era and it wasn't because of anything they did in WCW or TNA. Even then many of them had sons who were famous in the WWE inducting them.

ComfortKid

Jesus. If Jeff Jarett is being talked about as a possible HOF it must really mean F all. People like Al Snow, Ken Shamrock, Gangrell, Edge, Christian, Bob Holly all wrestled around the same time as him and had a much bigger draw than jj

ComfortKid

And I wouldn't think any of the names ive mentioned warrant a place in it either.

Agent Coulson

ComfortKid wrote: »

Jesus. If Jeff Jarett is being talked about as a possible HOF it must really mean F all. People like Al Snow, Ken Shamrock, Gangrell, Edge, Christian, Bob Holly all wrestled around the same time as him and had a much bigger draw than jj

ComfortKid wrote: »

And I wouldn't think any of the names ive mentioned warrant a place in it either.

You really don't think Edge & Christian warrent places even though one of them already has a place.

ComfortKid

Maybe Edge but Christian? I stopped watched wrestling around the time it merged wit WCW so I wouldn't know much of what happened in the last 12 years maybe but I remember Jarett. He was never a big shot? He would of been on a par with the likes of Val Venis. Just a card filler?

A Primal Nut

ComfortKid wrote: »

Maybe Edge but Christian? I stopped watched wrestling around the time it merged wit WCW so I wouldn't know much of what happened in the last 12 years maybe but I remember Jarett. He was never a big shot? He would of been on a par with the likes of Val Venis. Just a card filler?

Edge went on to become a huge star. Jarrett was a bigger star in WCW or TNA but as I said earlier WWE don't really care about that.

ComfortKid

This is the same guy who used to hit people with a guitar yeah? Never knew he went to wcw and I used to watch that aswell. Long time ago. Would Kurt Angle get inducted even though he's wrestling for a different crowd now?

SureYWouldntYa

ComfortKid wrote: »

This is the same guy who used to hit people with a guitar yeah? Never knew he went to wcw and I used to watch that aswell. Long time ago. Would Kurt Angle get inducted even though he's wrestling for a different crowd now?

he'll be a few years out of TNA before he gets near HOF

Liam McPoyle

Omackeral wrote: »

Lighten up, it's a joke.

Hilarious.

Omackeral

Business Cat wrote: »

Hilarious.

Jesus, who p*ssed in your cornflakes? I didn't make the Virgil Wrestling Superstar thing up, just explained it to another poster. The photos are a parody of themselves by now, most likely taken at times before a convention has even opened its doors. I like them and so do others. I'm sure Mike Jones probably gets a chuckle from it himself at this stage.

briany

Thinking about Koko B. Ware getting inducted, and it's true he had an over gimmick but then I think Doink was pretty over in his time as well , and although the original wrestler who portrayed him is unfortunately passed on, the gimmick itself lived on through several other wrestlers , as it was essentially a hood. From the late 80s through mid nineties, the WWE had a roster of really solid and colourful mid-card guys, who each had their own distinct look and gimmick. As cartoony as they could be, they were pretty memorable - guys like IRS, Haku, The Bushwhackers, One Man Gang/Akeem, Demolition, The Model Rick Martel, Tatanka and the Repo Man, to name a handful, are names that would still get a pop if they showed up in a gimmick battle royal or something.

The way I see it, with the WWE HoF, credentials are already starting to go out the window with who gets in. If Drew Carey can be inducted (and I know it's only the 'celebrity wing', but still), and Mr T is allowed take up a sizable portion of the evening with a long rambling acceptance speech, then who should get in starts to become immaterial. It's just whatever works for the show and the WWE's image.

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As for Virgil, it would be a lot easier to feel bad for him if there weren't so many stories of him hustling people out of money doing the rounds. Pulling the old 'charge you for the autograph you didn't even ask for' scam etc. Also, I can't imagine he's that down on his luck because A) He appears to be a mainstay on the wrestling convention circuit, which means he's has money to travel around the States and I doubt that's something you can do if you're trying to keep off the bread line. He seems like the type of guy who'd always eat store brand cornflakes with water just to save a few quid a week. That, plus the fat WCW contract he would have gotten makes me think he doesn't do the rounds because he desperately needs to as much as he's got a weird personality quirk that constantly seeks aggrandizement from his moderate success in the world of Pro Wrestling.

Omackeral

briany wrote: »

As for Virgil, it would be a lot easier to feel bad for him if there weren't so many stories of him hustling people out of money doing the rounds. Pulling the old 'charge you for the autograph you didn't even ask for' scam etc. Also, I can't imagine he's that down on his luck because A) He appears to be a mainstay on the wrestling convention circuit, which means he's has money to travel around the States and I doubt that's something you can do if you're trying to keep off the bread line. He seems like the type of guy who'd always eat store brand cornflakes with water just to save a few quid a week. That, plus the fat WCW contract he would have gotten makes me think he doesn't do the rounds because he desperately needs to as much as he's got a weird personality quirk that constantly seeks aggrandizement from his moderate success in the world of Pro Wrestling.

My own previous Virgil/Cornflakes post nothwithstanding (Jesus, what did I just type?), this bolded part right here has to be the most random and off the wall thing I've ever read on PW Boards. Amazing!

#VirgilLovesCornflakes

gnfnrhead

ComfortKid wrote: »

Jesus. If Jeff Jarett is being talked about as a possible HOF it must really mean F all. People like Al Snow, Ken Shamrock, Gangrell, Edge, Christian, Bob Holly all wrestled around the same time as him and had a much bigger draw than jj

Jarrett is a multi time World champion as well as a whole host of other title reigns. Look at some of the people in the Hall of Fame right now. Then look at Jarrett's title history. He is more deserving than quite a few already in. Like I previously said, he wouldn't be the headliner, but could easily be one of the mid range guys since they seem to have a set number every year now.

Reebrock

Jeff Jarrett is more than worthy considering his body of work.

briany

Omackeral wrote: »

My own previous Virgil/Cornflakes post nothwithstanding (Jesus, what did I just type?), this bolded part right here has to be the most random and off the wall thing I've ever read on PW Boards. Amazing!

#VirgilLovesCornflakes

A little hyperbolous, maybe, but I'll take it.

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Jarrett is a multi time World champion as well as a whole host of other title reigns. Look at some of the people in the Hall of Fame right now. Then look at Jarrett's title history. He is more deserving than quite a few already in. Like I previously said, he wouldn't be the headliner, but could easily be one of the mid range guys since they seem to have a set number every year now.

To expand on what's previously been said, the WWE has a famously selective memory when it comes to wrestlers' achievements in other promotions. It depends on what's in it for them to do so. For example, they can't pretend Sting has no history beyond the WWE because they want to get him over, so they have to at least allude to past achievements and noteriety. Jarrett does have a history with WWE but it's not particularly stellar. It's not bad either, but considering that he's spent nearly the last 15 years devoting his time to (help) providing a visible alternative to WWE, I'd have to imagine it puts him way down the running. If he wants to get up the list, he'd have to drink the WWE koolade which I don't see JJ doing, somehow.