Chelsea Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16

ShoulderChip

gosplan wrote: »

In a way, Jose is right and everyone appreciates that.

But he fails to mention that it's about loyalty.

loyalty to to what? failure?

gosplan

ShoulderChip wrote: »

loyalty to to what? failure?

No, to Arsenal.

Wenger could have left and gone to Madrid or anywhere else but he stayed and brought the club forward.

Hey was loyal to Arsenal so Arsenal are loyal to him.

GavRedKing

gosplan wrote: »

No, to Arsenal.

Wenger could have left and gone to Madrid or anywhere else but he stayed and brought the club forward.

Hey was loyal to Arsenal so Arsenal are loyal to him.

I get that and its a rare thing in football at any level, players and coaches alike.

Genuine question though and i dont wanna derail this thread but at what stage does he walk away? Hes donr very well winning back to back fa cups in recent years so the board wont sack him and he doesnt look like walking anytime soon as hes still a healthy man but surely Arsenal want more than a good start, a fade in the middle a resurgence towards the end and finishing ultimately short?

Yes the emergence of money in england and europe has curtailed arsenal in the last decade on top of their stadium move but signing 3 of the best in the world in recent years in sanchez ozil and cech should have brought arsenal further forward id have thought.

At what point does wenger stop being relevant and replacement is needed while these players are in their primes to win the big trophies, its a tricky one as some fans want him to stay and win trophies while others want a new guy in for league and european success and wenger to leave gracefully.

gosplan

GavRedKing wrote: »

I get that and its a rare thing in football at any level, players and coaches alike.

Genuine question though and i dont wanna derail this thread but at what stage does he walk away? Hes donr very well winning back to back fa cups in recent years so the board wont sack him and he doesnt look like walking anytime soon as hes still a healthy man but surely Arsenal want more than a good start, a fade in the middle a resurgence towards the end and finishing ultimately short?

Yes the emergence of money in england and europe has curtailed arsenal in the last decade on top of their stadium move but signing 3 of the best in the world in recent years in sanchez ozil and cech should have brought arsenal further forward id have thought.

At what point does wenger stop being relevant and replacement is needed while these players are in their primes to win the big trophies, its a tricky one as some fans want him to stay and win trophies while others want a new guy in for league and european success and wenger to leave gracefully.

Think his contract is end of next season.

If we haven't moved forward significantly by then I can't see him staying on.

GavRedKing

gosplan wrote: »

Think his contract is end of next season.

If we haven't moved forward significantly by then I can't see him staying on.

Who dya want to replace him? Smart money woukd be wait for a superstar like Ancelotti, Klopp or Pep but LVGs contract is up next year too though and he sadi hes walking away so Utd will be looking for a coach too.

greendom

GavRedKing wrote: »

Except Keegan wasnt more succesful then the person he was ranting about. :P

So why does he get so upset about someone he feels is so inferior to him?

GavRedKing

greendom wrote: »

So why does he get so upset about someone he feels is so inferior to him?

A mutual dislike of one and other. Theyre like two kids really. Between not shaking ha ds and constant volleys back and forth. It aint going go away.

gosplan

GavRedKing wrote: »

Who dya want to replace him? Smart money woukd be wait for a superstar like Ancelotti, Klopp or Pep but LVGs contract is up next year too though and he sadi hes walking away so Utd will be looking for a coach too.

To be honest I don't care. We'll be just like the rest then, chasing success by changing managers every 2/3 years.

I'll care then and get invested in whoever it is but club without Wenger will be odd.

GavRedKing

gosplan wrote: »

To be honest I don't care. We'll be just like the rest then, chasing success by changing managers every 2/3 years.

I'll care then and get invested in whoever it is but club without Wenger will be odd.

Isnt that what football is ultimately about? Success? Look at Utd, changing Fergie and theyre only doing well now, 2 years after.

GavRedKing

City on now, no Kompany or Hart.

rottie 11

Did I click into the arsenal thread by mistake ?

greendom

rottie 11 wrote: »

Did I click into the arsenal thread by mistake ?

Mourinho walked into the Arsenal press conference yesterday. I think

peteeeed

Spurs 2-1 up

Johner

If City lose we will probably be only 6 points behind the leaders if we win(expecting United to win).

peteeeed

Toure going off with hamstring injury

peteeeed

3-1 spurs

rottie 11

The league is back on

cadaliac

rottie 11 wrote: »

The league is back on

still 20 min left in the match.....

ShoulderChip

cadaliac wrote: »

still 20 min left in the match.....

you go watch that, we will celebrate the league being back on :D

grumpymunster

greendom wrote: »

He could have gone through the entire history of Chelsea football club. Not really relevant though as he was doing a press conference prior to a March with a Ranieri managed side. The last time he managed in England was with Chelsea and that could be the reason he brought it up.

Of course paranoid Mourinho thinks it's targeted at him and goes on a Keeganesque rant

Curious do you really believe that?

His career since he left Chelsea would suggest otherwise. He was lucky he was in place when Roman took over, his tactics in the semi of the CL would suggest strongly he wilted under pressure.

Really like the guy seems a very decent sort but some perspective would be good. It is clear Wenger was having a pop then TSHO responded they are both behaving like children neither come out of this with reputations enhanced. It seems Wenger can do no wrong to some.

peteeeed

4-1 spurs

rottie 11

2 losses in a row for city. Today would be the perfect day to thrash Newcastle

peteeeed

Piazon scores for reading

HalloweenJack

rottie 11 wrote: »

2 losses in a row for city. Today would be the perfect day to thrash Newcastle

As long as Cisse isn't playing, I'm confident.

McDave

greendom wrote: »

He could have gone through the entire history of Chelsea football club. Not really relevant though as he was doing a press conference prior to a March with a Ranieri managed side. The last time he managed in England was with Chelsea and that could be the reason he brought it up.

Of course paranoid Mourinho thinks it's targeted at him and goes on a Keeganesque rant

What would be the point of going through all of CFC's history? Especially when Wenger was intent on making a partisan point? Recent decades are perfectly adequate for context in this trajectory of the club's history.

Everyone knows it's a game between Mou and Wenger. Do you think Mou gives a damn about Wenger's selective comments. I'm sure he respects his predecessor's major contribution to a growing club, as much as he knows what he has himself achieved in a few short years at Chelsea, including surpassing Wenger in silverware. Cop on.

McDave

rottie 11 wrote: »

2 losses in a row for city. Today would be the perfect day to thrash Newcastle

T'would be. A chance to pile pressure on City. I didn't think they'd fold like that. But it's not the first time adversity in Europe has ripped the ass out of their confidence.

grumpymunster

Must admit thought City were going to go post to post and beat our record on top so delighted to see United go top. Chase starts now let's hope we don't make a Horlicks of it.

kev1.3s

Took the phone out and seen city were 1 up and kdb had scored and taught screw that, got present surprise when I got into van to hear they lost 4-1.

Garzorico

Bye bye Jose....we look like relegation fodder. Only one thing can improve performances and that's a change of manager.

ShoulderChip

Garzorico wrote: »

Bye bye Jose....we look like relegation fodder. Only one thing can improve performances and that's a change of manager.

are you in anyway serious?

rottie 11

We really are ****ed

McDave

rottie 11 wrote: »

The league is back on

But not for us, it appears!

redman85

McDave wrote: »

But not for us, it appears!

I'd be surprised if we got top four!

rottie 11

McDave wrote: »

But not for us, it appears!

Unfortunately. I wasn't expecting this

Tubbs4

Lucky to get the draw but could have nicked it in the end. Willian must be a starter next game with Ivan getting a rest. A point back on city so not all bad.

ziggyman17

Tubbs4 wrote: »

Lucky to get the draw but could have nicked it in the end. Willian must be a starter next game with Ivan getting a rest. A point back on city so not all bad.

and 2 points lost on the league leaders...

McDave

Garzorico wrote: »

Bye bye Jose....we look like relegation fodder. Only one thing can improve performances and that's a change of manager.

It's still a kick ass squad. Unless there's serious problems behind the scenes, Jose is safe. However, if we continue to leak points, 16-17 UCL is in question, and that RA will not countenance.

Johner

Ramires and Willian were the only two that showed any urgency or fight.

LightningBlue

Johner wrote: »

Ramires and Willian were the only two that showed any urgency or fight.

Definitely. It was like night and day when they came on. They were far more direct and drove at the Newcastle defence which caused them real problems given they were dropping so deep.

You can see why Mourinho was praising Costa for his aggression against Arsenal as we were bullied all over the pitch for the first 60 minutes and the likes of Matic and Fabregas didn't turn up for the fight.

Hazard and Pedro were too busy looking for free-kicks and going to ground too easily.

cowboyBuilder

Not the end of the world, a point we would have all taken on 78 mins.

Anyway, look on the bright side away trips to Everton, NewCastle and City are behind us.

kev1.3s

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

Not the end of the world, a point we would have all taken on 78 mins.

Anyway, look on the bright side away trips to Everton, NewCastle and City are behind us.

Speaking some sense there.

Garzorico

ShoulderChip wrote: »

are you in anyway serious?

I am. There's something not quite right in the camp and Jose does not have form for turning an unhappy camp into a happy camp - rather the opposite. The players aren't playing for him it would appear. Persisting with Ivanovic, Fabegas, Hazard, Matic etc. making ivanovic captain smacks of an ego trip.
We have no appetite for games...the kids aren't happy and they show it on the pitch.

grumpymunster

grumpymunster wrote: »

Must admit thought City were going to go post to post and beat our record on top so delighted to see United go top. Chase starts now let's hope we don't make a Horlicks of it.

OK so we like Horlicks

Have to say I am sick of seeing Ivan tog out for us

rottie 11

grumpymunster wrote: »

OK so we like Horlicks

Have to say I am sick of seeing Ivan tog out for us

Tbh I'm feeling that way about cesc. I know most of the team aren't performing but cesc loses the the ball so much it's too annoying to watch. Ivan tho needs to be sold on not dropped

grumpymunster

rottie 11 wrote: »

Tbh I'm feeling that way about cesc. I know most of the team aren't performing but cesc loses the the ball so much it's too annoying to watch. Ivan tho needs to be sold on not dropped

Yep Cesc is either still on the beach or doting new daddy either way sitting on the sideline watching RLC or Kenedy or who ever would do no harm.

MaroonAndGreen

cowboyBuilder wrote:

Not the end of the world, a point we would have all taken on 78 mins.

cowboyBuilder wrote:

Anyway, look on the bright side away trips to Everton, NewCastle and City are behind us.

Very positive outlook. Now where is the monkey to tell us we will be relegated......

Nalz

What the hell is up with Fabregas?

Turtwig

GavRedKing wrote: »

but signing 3 of the best in the world in recent years in sanchez ozil and cech should have brought arsenal further forward id have thought.

Arsenal needed a world class defensive midfielder. Why they didn't sign one is beyond me. They also need to balance their first XI. Alexis Sanchez may have been a winger for Barca. Wenger needs to look at his time in Udinese and playing for Chile. They've also got too many left footed or inverted players. He needs to drop some players and being in functional ones to balance the side.

As for functional, why in the holy spaghetti meatballs of bat mobiles is Ivanovic even getting playing time? He's not Messi or Ronaldo surely you can drop him? I kind of understand the reasoning to play Cesc. Off form or not you've got nothing to match him. Still, I'd drop both of them for at least one game.

That said, not the best result lads, but some positive signs.

JustTheOne

Turtwig wrote: »

Arsenal needed a world class defensive midfielder. Why they didn't sign one is beyond me. They also need to balance their first XI. Alexis Sanchez may have been a winger for Barca. Wenger needs to look at his time in Udinese and playing for Chile. They've also got too many left footed or inverted players. He needs to drop some players and being in functional ones to balance the side.

As for functional, why in the holy spaghetti meatballs of bat mobiles is Ivanovic even getting playing time? He's not Messi or Ronaldo surely you can drop him? I kind of understand the reasoning to play Cesc. Off form or not you've got nothing to match him. Still, I'd drop both of them for at least one game.

That said, not the best result lads, but some positive signs.

That dm is coquelin. There is no dm playing better than him at the moment.
His stats with tackles, interceptions etc are up at the top.

It's just because he didn't cost 30 million people aren't giving him the recognition.

gosplan

Trilla wrote: »

What the hell is up with Fabregas?

As George Michael said, guilty feet ain't got no rhythm.