World Cup 2015 General Chat

booth70

All the pre tournament talk is done

NZ v SL up first
then
Aus v Eng
then
Ind v Pak

Some classic encounters coming up on the first couple of days.....at least on paper!!

Ireland could cause a few upsets but I am sticking with the top 8 Test teams for the QF's

I am going to remain loyal to India despite its horrible form.....they'll make the quarters but nothing further than that I am afraid:(

If India fall by the wayside will be rooting for NZ - they have been bridesmaids for too long and its probably their time!

Heart says India
Mind says Australia v SA final with Australia to win it

Cant wait for it to start.....

LET THE GAMES BEGIN

Rjd2

Have we not just spent the last few months watching NZ v Sri Lanka and Australia v England? :mad:


However really looking forward to India v Pakistan as its a fresh match up and always fun.

I'd back India in that match, much more quality in the side, only Irfan and possibly Shezhad would get into the Indian team.

KevIRL

Would it be an idea to keep this as a general chat thread and have another thread each day for the matches on that day? Has worked well in previous WC's and the Ireland match day threads can be fun to look back on

TrueDub

KevIRL wrote: »

Would it be an idea to keep this as a general chat thread and have another thread each day for the matches on that day? Has worked well in previous WC's and the Ireland match day threads can be fun to look back on

This is a good idea - I'll set up the thread for tonight.

Cricket fan

UTV showing highlights of every Ireland game is great news too.

Is it the first time Ireland will be shown on terrestrial TV? I think it is

Brian017

Cricket fan wrote: »

UTV showing highlights of every Ireland game is great news too.

Is it the first time Ireland will be shown on terrestrial TV? I think it is

I seem to remember some match being on BBC NI a couple of years ago, but that might be my imagination!

Rjd2

Brian017 wrote: »

I seem to remember some match being on BBC NI a couple of years ago, but that might be my imagination!

BBC have shown highlights of world cups over the years. They definitely done the last few ODI world cups, not as sure about the t20 world cups though.

feargale

Old Moore is tipping India to win out? Should I place a bet?

Rjd2

feargale wrote: »

Old Moore is tipping India to win out? Should I place a bet?

TrueDub

No need for this thread any more - please use the daily threads.

On mature reflection, it was a mistake to close this, it makes sense to have a general thread too - apologies.

Dozen Wicked Words

I think its a shame this tournament (and increasingly one day cricket generally) has been so geared toward the batsmen. I understand people want to see fours and sixes but I'd also like to see bowlers have a decent chance of taking a wicket. I know generally its always been a batsmen's version of the game, but its getting to the point where you may as well just have bowling machines at one end and watch batsmen blast it out the park.

Not my idea of cricket, even the 1 day variety, but I appreciate I'm probably in the minority here.

PVincent

A bit of rain forecast for Napier on Sat and Sunday ... Are we about to get some luck ?

pistol_75

PVincent wrote: »

A bit of rain forecast for Napier on Sat and Sunday ... Are we about to get some luck ?

The more the better, even for the WI v UAE match

the groutch

the game is a day too early unfortunately, 2 inches of rain due on Monday

http://www.accuweather.com/en/nz/napier/248572/daily-weather-forecast/248572?day=5

Cricket fan

Brendan Taylor to retire for Zimbabwe to play as a kolpak for Notts.

Ends his international career for 3 years at least, if not for good. Massive blow for them. If Williams follows too I honestly can see their test status under serious threat

Rjd2

Cricket fan wrote: »

Brendan Taylor to retire for Zimbabwe to play as a kolpak for Notts.

Ends his international career for 3 years at least, if not for good. Massive blow for them. If Williams follows too I honestly can see their test status under serious threat

Its understandable to be fair, better standard of living for he and his family really. I always liked watching him so as Notts are always on the telly will see him a bit more anyway. Hugely impressed with his comments after the Mooney fiasco as well.

I think Ervine is another counties may take a gander at well along with Williams.

Its not crazy to think they could fall apart in the next few years, it may seem absurd now, but remember Kenya?:(

Cricket fan

Rjd2 wrote: »

Its understandable to be fair, better standard of living for he and his family really. I always liked watching him so as Notts are always on the telly will see him a bit more anyway. Hugely impressed with his comments after the Mooney fiasco as well.

I think Ervine is another counties may take a gander at well along with Williams.

Its not crazy to think they could fall apart in the next few years, it may seem absurd now, but remember Kenya?:(

They could fall apart in a couple months tbh.

Ervine clearly has no long term aspirations with Zimbabwe, only came back for the World Cup. Hell he could return here yet. Thing is with Taylor gone they might pay Ervine enough to stay. Mire is another example, he plays in Australia and even in the big bash a couple times, he'll have other ambitions.

Williams has been brilliant in the world cup and I'd be surprised if he wasnt snapped up by a big county.

Worst case scenario all leave:

Batting becomes absolutely woeful

Masakadza is no good, Sibanda is hopeless. I mean look at the Ireland game, the only 2 proper decent bats they have are Taylor and Williams, without them they'd have lost by 150 runs, vs our bowling attack.

Bowling wise Chatara is good, Panyangara a bit slow and no spinners to speak of bar Kamungozi who isnt exactly Warne.

They've been teetering on the abyss for over a decade now, in the weeks after this world cup we could see them fall in and burn if I'm honest. 15 years of corruption, racism and ineptitude were going to take their toll eventually

Rjd2

I remember their was a few Zimbabwe lads over here a few years ago trying to qualify for Irish citizenship, whatever happened to them? Ervine would be good enough for Ireland now, but in a few years, dunno about that.

Ireland isn't exactly a financial hotpot for cricket, but without sounding to arrogant I like to think you have a better standard of living here to at least raise your kids. Zimbabwe cricket has been mental for a long time now sadly.

I do like Raza but he has been a massive flop so far, hopefully when this is over he steps up. Mire is meh tbh, but I like Chatara,definitely someone to get excited about, in a perfect world he and Jarvis would have opened the bowling in the world cup.:(:(

BOHtox

Cricket fan wrote: »

Brendan Taylor to retire for Zimbabwe to play as a kolpak for Notts.

Ends his international career for 3 years at least, if not for good. Massive blow for them. If Williams follows too I honestly can see their test status under serious threat

It's a shame this happens in Cricket. Remember Heath Streak, the Flowers, Murray Gooddwin, Olonga, Sean Ervine etc and the other rebels who, rightly, refused not to play for Zimbabwe again?

It's a messed up situation and, although the players above are all too old to make a comeback, I hope bridges can be built between Zimbabwe and other countries. Zimbabwe should have a good team!

riffmongous

That's a real pity for Zimbabwe to lose him, one of their best players for so long. If the people in charge are either so stupid or so broke that they let him go I dont think their will be much hope for the future in Zim.

Like most things in cricket I'm going to lay a lot of the blame at the feet of the ICC, they should never have allowed Zim cricket to end up in such a bad state, funding should have been withdrawn a long time ago until they got their house in order and cleared out all the corruption, guys like Bvute should have been kicked out years ago

mani123

Who will win the world cup 2015?
India
Pakistan
Srilanka
Australia
New Zealand
South Africa

Pudsy33

Well Pakistan aren't gonna reach the knockouts, so I'm not sure why they're there

Jacovs

Am I right saying at the moment the QFs look like this:
QF1
Sri Lanka vs SA
QF2
Bangladesh vs India
QF3
Australia vs Pakistan/Ireland
QF4
NZ vs WI/Pakistan/Ireland

feargale

mani123 wrote: »

Who will win the world cup 2015?
India
Pakistan
Srilanka
Australia
New Zealand
South Africa

Old Moore is predicting India.

STintin

mani123 wrote: »

Who will win the world cup 2015?
India
Pakistan
Srilanka
Australia
New Zealand
South Africa

Obviously, India

feargale

I'll be rooting for New Zealand now - always nice to see a new name on a trophy. South Africa would also fit that bill, but it's unlikely they will prevail, and Bangladesh are an unrealistiic aspiration.
All credit to Ireland, going from strength to strength. I would have thought that what Ireland need most is to import a top class bowling coach.
So, Ireland, Zimbabwe and others will compete for the last place place in the 2019 World Cup? Why not England also? Ireland achieved more than them in this WC. England have placed themselves on the same level as Zimbabwe, another test nation. Sport is supposed to be fair, and to obstruct the spread of a sport is the antithesis of sportsmanship. If the ICC persist in their present attitude maybe the associate nations should break away and form their own organisation. When FIFA shed some stubborn parties in the twenties in similar circumstances it ultimately ended in grief for those who owned the ball and thought they could do as they wished.
Don't get me wrong. This is not an anti-English rant. Any nation that gave us Shakespeare, Cheddar cheese and cricket can't be all bad. My beef is with the powers that be in cricket.

Gillespy

The next world cup is in England so as the hosts they are already in. A sport with only a dozen quality sides, I'm sure they would qualify anyway. They're not great but it's all relative. They still dished out two heavy defeats to two associates.

Rjd2

Well played Mr Porterfield.:)

https://twitter.com/purdy34/status/577744735709896704

Pudsy33

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cricket/cricket-world-cup-ireland-coach-phil-simmons-says-goodbye-31071574.html

Is this new or was it prior knowledge that I missed? Either way you have to wish him all the best

Cricket fan

Been a wonderful servant for us, but I think its the right time to change things up.

So long Phil and thanks so much for the memories, wish you the best of luck!

Cricket fan

Apparently Andy Flower is in the mix.

Thoughts??

mrkiscool2

Cricket fan wrote: »

Apparently Andy Flower is in the mix.

Thoughts??

I would take him. Not too many coaches around who have coached test nations so to have him would be a good choice

Also, lol at Cook saying that if he had been selected they would have made the quarters. You had no form mate, never going to do anything.

Rjd2

https://twitter.com/mattmachan/status/578132609613574144

Flower would be an immense signing, although think he still has a role at the ECB and I dunno if we would have the money for him.

.

BarryD

Interesting piece on the changing landscape of languages in international cricket.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/854255.html

Will Eamon O'Cuiv become a new convert, I wonder

endabob1

Cricket fan wrote: »

Apparently Andy Flower is in the mix.

Thoughts??

Reading KP at the moment, it is not very complimentary

Dozen Wicked Words

endabob1 wrote: »

Reading KP at the moment, it is not very complimentary

Reading KP about anyone other than KP and you won't find too many compliments.

endabob1

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

Reading KP about anyone other than KP and you won't find too many compliments.

Its not that bad, he clearly has issues with some people but he is complimentary about a lot of others. Flowers swann and Prior particularly are on the receiving end of his ire but its an entertaining read.
There's no doubt in my mind he was a scapegoat but you pays your money and take your choice, he wanted to be treated differently and certainly thought he was better than a lot of his team mates, but then again his record suggests that he was better....

feargale

Why is it said that NZL beat RSA by four wickets. It conveys the impression that NZL thrashed them, while the reality is that they made it by the skin of their teeth. Would it not be more accurate to record that NZL won by one delivery?

Gillespy

That is given too. It's how the score is given when the chasing teams wins. Wickets left and balls left. Four wicket win with 1 ball remaining suggests a close game.

Jacovs

Quick question regarding the Duckworth/Lewis method. After SA's loss, their coach said they thought 25 runs would be added to their total to determine NZ's target. But only 17 or 18 runs were added. Now I dont think the extra 7 or 8 runs wouldve made a big difference, NZ probably wouldve put the foot down sooner if they knew they had a higher score to reach, but who knows.

My question though, why arent the public or even the teams playing allowed to know how this revised target is calculated? For something like this there shouldnt be any speculation, should there?

Dozen Wicked Words

Jacovs wrote: »

My question though, why arent the public or even the teams playing allowed to know how this revised target is calculated? For something like this there shouldnt be any speculation, should there?

I'd have thought their team statistician would have known the formula. The DLM isn't a state secret either is it? If you wanted to, you probably could worked out why they reached that total, right or wrong. DLM is imperfect, nothing new there.

tmq

out of curiosity i googled "duckworth lewis calculator" and there are quite a few strange looking calculators, some of which seem wrong.

Perhaps thats what the SA coach did too!?

Jacovs

I had a google myself and one of the calculators said this:

"This calculator is accurate for games with first innings scores of less than 235. The professional edition of this calculator is used to calculate the revised target for games with a first innings score greater than 235 but is only available to cricket authorities.

We will update the calculator accordingly if/when the ICC release the Duckworth Lewis Method professional edition calculations and tables to the public domain."

So if this is correct, then by cricket authorities I assume they dont include anyone working for any of the teams. Seems to be an easy way to manipulate a game's outcome. Not saying it happened with this game though.

edit: this is from the website duckworth-lewis.com

pistol_75

Jacovs wrote: »

My question though, why aren't the public or even the teams playing allowed to know how this revised target is calculated? For something like this there shouldn't be any speculation, should there?

It is calculated by computer so there is no ambiguity to the whole process. Obviously some formula has been devised to calculate this.

I know for example even at tea in local games here, based on the first innings score the d/l permutations are printed out should they be needed for the second innings.

Jacovs

pistol_75 wrote: »

It is calculated by computer so there is no ambiguity to the whole process. Obviously some formula has been devised to calculate this.

I know for example even at tea in local games here, based on the first innings score the d/l permutations are printed out should they be needed for the second innings.

Fair enough.

Is this calculator not available to teams and the public then? And if not, why not?

TrueDub

Jacovs wrote: »

Quick question regarding the Duckworth/Lewis method. After SA's loss, their coach said they thought 25 runs would be added to their total to determine NZ's target. But only 17 or 18 runs were added. Now I dont think the extra 7 or 8 runs wouldve made a big difference, NZ probably wouldve put the foot down sooner if they knew they had a higher score to reach, but who knows.

My question though, why arent the public or even the teams playing allowed to know how this revised target is calculated? For something like this there shouldnt be any speculation, should there?

It's calculated using a statistical analysis computer program, with many variables inputted - things like overs lost, overs remaining, score at the time of interruption and wickets lost.

It's not a simple calculation, and so it's difficult to predict to any degree of accuracy. The software to calculate it is only available to national organisations (who can distribute it in their territory as they see fit) and so not everyone has access.

The key, though, is that the score can only be calculated when play is ready to resume, because you need to know how many overs have been lost.

Jacovs

TrueDub wrote: »

It's calculated using a statistical analysis computer program, with many variables inputted - things like overs lost, overs remaining, score at the time of interruption and wickets lost.

It's not a simple calculation, and so it's difficult to predict to any degree of accuracy. The software to calculate it is only available to national organisations (who can distribute it in their territory as they see fit) and so not everyone has access.

The key, though, is that the score can only be calculated when play is ready to resume, because you need to know how many overs have been lost.

I wouldnt argue with this. I would find it strange then that CSA doesnt seem to have shared it with their national team, going by what Domingo said about them expecting 25 runs to have been added to the total. We've let D/L arrange our exit from the tournament before, wouldve hoped they'd have learned and been better prepared.

Dozen Wicked Words

Straws being clutched at, by the coach. Its gone.............its gone.

pistol_75

Jacovs wrote: »

I wouldnt argue with this. I would find it strange then that CSA doesnt seem to have shared it with their national team, going by what Domingo said about them expecting 25 runs to have been added to the total. We've let D/L arrange our exit from the tournament before, wouldve hoped they'd have learned and been better prepared.

I'm pretty sure they would have access to the required information if needed. Maybe it was just a throwaway comment? I didn't see it directly.

Also the figure set at the start of the innings would be subject to change through the innings if there was any further time lost.

Jacovs

pistol_75 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure they would have access to the required information if needed. Maybe it was just a throwaway comment? I didn't see it directly.

Also the figure set at the start of the innings would be subject to change through the innings if there was any further time lost.

This is what im basing my questions off.

http://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/CricketWorldCup2015/Domingo-questions-Duckworth-Lewis-method-20150325

TrueDub

There's absolutely no way they didn't have access to the data - part of the regulations for limited-overs competitions using D/L require each team, and the officials, to be given sheets detailing the figures used to perform the calculations, and giving target scores at the end of each over, or even after each ball.

So they had the information, but thought D/L didn't do them any favours. That's a frequent comment from losing sides.

Part of the broader issue, though, is that the D/L calculations use historic data from other matches to do the predictions. I would bet the version being used doesn't have matches where 350 is par and 400 not usual, and might have given a lower total than might be achieved.

However, this is supposition - if SA hadn't had to come off, they might have ended on more, but they mightn't.