My four year old has just been discriminated based on her religion!

lazygal · 13-02-2015 5:43pm

padohaodha wrote: »

never said i was christian

What faith are you, if any?

Tasden · 13-02-2015 5:44pm

lazygal wrote: »

What faith are you, if any?

Why does it matter? Isn't that the whole point of the thread, it shouldn't matter.

lazygal · 13-02-2015 5:44pm

Tasden wrote: »

Why does it matter? Isn't that the whole point of the thread, it shouldn't matter.

Well the poster had some.choice things to say about atheists, so I wonder why that is.

January · 13-02-2015 5:46pm

Please remember to attack the post not the poster.

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SpaceTime · 13-02-2015 5:47pm

farmchoice wrote: »

you can explain that even though you knew quite well this day was coming you felt that your conscience was the most important thing.

that as you don't hold with the catholic church you chose not to have her christened. thereby effecting her choice of schools.

as a grown adult and a parent you knew this was coming so don't be crying the victim now, you made your bed.

I'm an atheist i hold the catholic church in very low esteem but i had my little fella christened for this very reason, its not fair, but its reality. i could have sent him to the newly opened non religious school but for the reasons you outlined in your post i chose not to.

you are more then entitled to your point of view and i admire you for sticking to your guns in what is unfortunately still a catholic country, but this is the price you pay for your convictions it and you knew it from the beginning.

Unfortunately, it's a secular country that for some utterly bizarre reason ignores its own constitution and the very principles of republicanism that it claims to be founded upon and outsources the management of 90% of the public schools to a single private religious organisation and another 6% to other religious organisations. So, a massive 4% of public schools aren't religious.

Ireland's still extremely backwards in some ways. It's sad to say it but on issues like this it's in a time warp.

Being a Republic should mean a lot more than being "Not England" which is about as far as Republican values go here. We basically replaced the established Anglican Church and aristocracy with the Catholic Church instead of creating a new, progressive society where Ireland was run by the people, for the people and of the people.

padohaodha · 13-02-2015 5:51pm

im baptised coi but i understand that a catholic school teaches catholicism.my kids go to local catholic school and in no way could i say they are indoctrinating my kids

lazygal wrote: »

What faith are you, if any?

...what a strange question.it doesnt matter on boards.

T-K-O · 13-02-2015 5:51pm

lazygal wrote: »

Well the poster had some.choice things to say about atheists, so I wonder why that is.

As do I. As someone who does not subscribe to any religion, this thread reminds me, why, I personally find certain atheists even more annoying than their religious counterpart

Tasden · 13-02-2015 5:52pm

lazygal wrote: »

Well the poster had some.choice things to say about atheists, so I wonder why that is.

The choice things he said were actually in relation to whingers and politically correct numpties. Atheists were just referred to as the new victims. His religion, or lack thereof, whatever the case may be is irrelevant.

uck51js9zml2yt · 13-02-2015 5:54pm

ch750536 wrote: »

Jesus didn't think much of kids, it says so in the bible, somewhere in the middle.

I tried a non denomination school for my kids, would be a long drive every day. 98% catholic school in Ireland. Even though a school was catholic, I didn't think they were allowed to discriminate based on religion. Would be interesting to see the facts,

I'd love to be shown the bit somewhere in the middle

If you're going to throw out random inferences on something you know nothing about at least back it up.

As for RC schools, they set their own policies as do protestant, Jewish, Muslim and secular.
5 years on the list for ET, didn't get my son a place.siblings of children already there skip the queue.
My local RC school will take him even though we aren't RC.

Dan_Solo · 13-02-2015 5:54pm

Why are my taxes paying for religious cults to brainwash children?

Dan_Solo · 13-02-2015 5:56pm

James Loud Rob wrote: »

I'd love to be shown the bit somewhere in the middle
If you're going to throw out random inferences on something you know nothing about at least back it up.

The bible is so full of fantasyland horse manure it hardly matters whether he specifies the exact page.

Dan_Solo · 13-02-2015 5:57pm

padohaodha wrote: »

what a strange question.it doesnt matter on boards.

Shouldn't matter anywhere TBH, which is the whole problem! It does!

SpaceTime · 13-02-2015 6:00pm

I'd add that basically forcing people to convert to a different religion or to join one to access #public# services that we all pay for through our taxes is extremely contrary to basic human rights laws.

The UN has made very negative comments about Ireland and its completely inadequate progress on opening up education.

I've a feeling that Ireland will have to be internationally humiliated with a ECHR ruling against it on this before it gets taken seriously. We are way out of line with normal practice and with the criteria required to provide proper public education.

This is potentially excluding people from education and is a major flaw in how services are delivered.

Can you imagine a situation being accepted in any other area of public service?
Because we all grew up in it were blind to how grossly unjust it is.

padohaodha · 13-02-2015 6:01pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Shouldn't matter anywhere TBH, which is the whole problem! It does!

id just love to see the letter that op says they got that said youre not getting in cos youre not catholic.as i said earlier it sounds like a hysterical reaction.

LeeMajors · 13-02-2015 6:03pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Why are my taxes paying for religious cults to brainwash children?

The same reason your taxes are being used to pay off odious debts, welfare and overpaid PS workers.
It's called democracy, we elect people to govern the country and that's what they do.
You don't pick and choose where your taxes are spent no more than I do.

Moonbeam · 13-02-2015 6:05pm

Ok Folks,
Please do not attack other posters,please keep the thread on topic.

We will be handing out warnings.

Thanks

Dan_Solo · 13-02-2015 6:05pm

padohaodha wrote: »

id just love to see the letter that op says they got that said youre not getting in cos youre not catholic.as i said earlier it sounds like a hysterical reaction.

Oh, so we should assume they're lying because of???? When I know for a fact you need to produce baptismal certs to get into schools?

RustyNut · 13-02-2015 6:06pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Why are my taxes paying for religious cults to brainwash children?

Here you go.

baldbear wrote: »

What's the harm in getting her baptised? No one really takes it seriously. It'll just make it easier.

positron · 13-02-2015 6:07pm

Gatling wrote: »

Op what was the actual reason your were given by this school. Did they give the specific reason your child isn't getting in based off religion

They said school is oversubscribed, and based on the enrollment policy explained on their website (if oversubscribed, kids will be prioritised as catholic, siblings, locals etc etc). They didn't say exactly why she didn't get it, other than saying by the above order or priority she doesn't have a place.

We know someone who applied two years later than us (also not catholic, incidentally) got a place offered because of an older sibling already in school. We are local, we are in the catchment area, and we applied as early as you possibly can (within weeks of being born). The school takes some 200+ kids every year. So I am deducing that if she were baptised she would have gotten a place. That's all.

Dan_Solo · 13-02-2015 6:07pm

LeeMajors wrote: »

The same reason your taxes are being used to pay off odious debts, welfare and overpaid PS workers.
It's called democracy, we elect people to govern the country and that's what they do.
You don't pick and choose where your taxes are spent no more than I do.

Phew, thanks for pointing that out. No need to discuss where our taxes go ever again because we live in a democracy. Back to sleep everybody!

SpaceTime · 13-02-2015 6:08pm

LeeMajors wrote: »

The same reason your taxes are being used to pay off odious debts, welfare and overpaid PS workers.
It's called democracy, we elect people to govern the country and that's what they do.
You don't pick and choose where your taxes are spent no more than I do.

Since when was the current education system decided by any form of democracy?
It came about due to corporatism. The church was inserted into the delivery of public services due to intense use of church power to influence decision making from the perspective of an insider lobbyist.

The fact that no Irish political party has the balls to do something about it doesn't mean it's a democratically created situation.

Dan_Solo · 13-02-2015 6:08pm

RustyNut wrote: »

Here you go.

if "nobody takes baptism seriously" then why do religious schools take it so seriously they'll refuse entry without it?

LeeMajors · 13-02-2015 6:09pm

positron wrote: »

They said school is oversubscribed, and based on the enrollment policy explained on their website (if oversubscribed, kids will be prioritised as catholic, siblings, locals etc etc). They didn't say exactly why she didn't get it, other than saying by the above order or priority she doesn't have a place.

We know someone who applied two years later than us (also not catholic, incidentally) got a place offered because of an older sibling already in school. We are local, we are in the catchment area, and we applied as early as you possibly can (within weeks of being born). The school takes some 200+ kids every year. So I am deducing that if she were baptised she would have gotten a place. That's all.

So, the school is oversubscribed but you decided to claim you were being discriminated against?

padohaodha · 13-02-2015 6:09pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Oh, so we should assume they're lying because of???? When I know for a fact you need to produce baptismal certs to get into schools?

well i thought atheists rejected religion because there is no proof.strange that we must just accept some other things without proof.

Tasden · 13-02-2015 6:09pm

padohaodha wrote: »

id just love to see the letter that op says they got that said youre not getting in cos youre not catholic.as i said earlier it sounds like a hysterical reaction.

Its in black and white on most catholic school websites in their enrollment policy document. It gives a breakdown of how they allocate places and its usually based on location, siblings in the school and religion. The ops reaction to the news may seem hysterical but the reasoning for why the child was refused probably isn't.

Gatling · 13-02-2015 6:09pm

positron wrote: »

They said school is oversubscribed, and based on the enrollment policy explained on their website (if oversubscribed, kids will be prioritised as catholic, siblings, locals etc etc). They didn't say exactly why she didn't get it, other than saying by the above order or priority she doesn't have a place.

We know someone who applied two years later than us (also not catholic, incidentally) got a place offered because of an older sibling already in school. We are local, we are in the catchment area, and we applied as early as you possibly can (within weeks of being born). The school takes some 200+ kids every year. So I am deducing that if she were baptised she would have gotten a place. That's all.

But that's not how your worded this thread though

uck51js9zml2yt · 13-02-2015 6:11pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

The bible is so full of fantasyland horse manure it hardly matters whether he specifies the exact page.

So Jesus(allegedly) saying that whoever harms a child should have a millstone put around his neck and he should be thrown into the sea actually means Jesus didn't care much for children.

Back on track....

BQQ · 13-02-2015 6:11pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Oh, so we should assume they're lying because of???? When I know for a fact you need to produce baptismal certs to get into schools?

I know for a fact that you don't.

LeeMajors · 13-02-2015 6:13pm

SpaceTime wrote: »

Since when was the current education system decided by any form of democracy?
It came about due to corporatism. The church was inserted into the delivery of public services due to intense use of church power to influence decision making from the perspective of an insider lobbyist.

The fact that no Irish political party has the balls to do something about it doesn't mean it's a democratically created situation.

The only schools being built now are educate together schools.
Still claim 'no political party has the balls to do anything about it'?

uck51js9zml2yt · 13-02-2015 6:15pm

Tasden wrote: »

Its in black and white on most catholic school websites in their enrollment policy document. It gives a breakdown of how they allocate places and its usually based on location, siblings in the school and religion. The ops reaction to the news may seem hysterical but the reasoning for why the child was refused probably isn't.

They may well have been full based on siblings in the school but without knowing the truth its easier to blame religion.
Let's not let lack of facts get in the way of a good story.

My four year old has just been discriminated based on her religion!

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