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    #122
    TravellerGirl
    Registered Users Posts: 114 ✭✭TravellerGirl


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    There a PM button for private conversations. Otherwise everything is open for discussion.

    I don't need a pm button. If I have something to say I will say it on here. But you know what I will let you have your opinion on Travellers because its not ever gonna change anyway.


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    #123
    LordNorbury
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭LordNorbury


    TravellerGirl wrote: »
    I don't need a pm button. If I have something to say I will say it on here. But you know what I will let you have your opinion on Travellers because its not ever gonna change anyway.

    People's opinions on travellers will automatically change when people see them starting to pay tax, starting to educate their children and basically that while they may aspire to a different way of life, that they start accepting that this doesn't excuse them from basic and simple obligations that are owed to your children and society, for example having your children educated to a minimum standard and having a career of some sort, and working and paying tax just like other people have to do in society.


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    #124
    rate_my_post
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2 ✭rate_my_post


    Right Turn Clyde wrote: »
    Don't include me in your conspiracy. The only point I have made against you is that you are also guilty of playing the man, not the ball. For the record, I appreciate TravellerGirl's input, but I'm not on anyone's side here. Read back through the handful of posts that I have made in relation to this issue and you'll see that I'm not pushing any agenda. Yes, I seem to be more accepting of Travellers, owing to my own personal experiences, but I'm not an apologist for them. I simply resent the nastiness that always accompanies this discussion. You have been guilty of it on a number of occasions. Read back through your posts and just look at how you speak to people. You're not a nice presence on here. TravellerGirl has been guilty of personal attacks on a few occasions, which was also wrong. You should both take a step back and compose yourselves. There's a discussion to be had here and it doesn't require insults and people being needlessly sharp with each other.

    while traveller girl has been pretty reactionary and defensive in her rebuttals , you have made an outright moral judgement against dan solo , using inflamatory language like " nastiness " and labelling him " not a nice person "

    all i see from dan solo is someone who deals in facts , that those facts may be uncomfortable both for travellers or those who ( for whatever reason ) prefer to rationalise dysfunctionality within the community , does not diminish the fact the dan solo shines a light on some glaring statistics when it comes to travellers

    i see nothing nasty about any post he has made


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    #125
    Right Turn Clyde
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Right Turn Clyde


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Any examples? Thought not.

    I'm wrong. You never personally attacked TravellerGirl. You referred to her with words like 'delusional', and the vast majority of your posts are delivered in a cutting and sarcastic manner. In short, you may be chipping away at people all the time, but that's not the same as an ad hominem. So I take back what I mistakenly said, and you have my apologies.


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    #126
    rate_my_post
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2 ✭rate_my_post


    Right Turn Clyde wrote: »
    I'm wrong. You never personally attacked TravellerGirl. You referred to her with words like 'delusional', and the vast majority of your posts are delivered in a cutting and sarcastic manner. In short, you may be chipping away at people all the time, but that's not the same as an ad hominem. So I take back what I mistakenly said, and you have my apologies.

    you just drip with condescension and smugness


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    #127
    mahamageehad
    Registered Users Posts: 4,673 ✭✭✭mahamageehad


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    But it is beyond argument that they are anecdotal and therefore irrelevant in the face of statistics.

    I'm not arguing that they are statistically relevant. However change has to start somewhere and 15 years ago you wouldn't have heard of anything like this. I'm neither for nor against travellers, however that said it is an a "not in my backyard" way. What I am against is any culture, be it Travellers or indians or whatever, that treat women badly and where women are brainwashed from an early age to accept it. The early signs of change in these situations are always good, even if they only mark the start of a long arduous road.

    I'd suggest that TravellerGirl signs up for an AMA, whether you agree with her and her opinions or not it's nice to have representation for both sides for a change.


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    #128
    Right Turn Clyde
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Right Turn Clyde


    rate_my_post wrote: »
    you just drip with condescension and smugness

    That sounds like an outright moral judgement. Welcome to hypocrisy. We're happy to have you.


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    #129
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    TravellerGirl wrote: »
    I don't need a pm button. If I have something to say I will say it on here. But you know what I will let you have your opinion on Travellers because its not ever gonna change anyway.
    Then why are you moaning when somebody else gives their opinion? Or does "if I have something to say" only apply to you for some reason?


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    #130
    Sam Mac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,227 ✭✭✭Sam Mac


    TravellerGirl wrote: »
    Im very sorry if people found me ignorant or if you think I was insulting the settled community. I am not that type of person but he has hurt me wit some of he comments he has put. All travellers are not the same and all settled people are not the same. Its not nice to all be painted with the one brush

    I'm sure you and your family are very decent people, but the majority of travellers are scum in one way or the other. Their behaviour cannot be controlled by anyone but themselves. They are a nuisance and a burden on regular society in Ireland and need to be dealt with sooner rather than later. The traveller society causes more bad than good and that is the issue at hand here, not to mention the ridiculous views on education and marriage that they have.


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    #131
    LordNorbury
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭LordNorbury


    Sam Mac wrote: »
    I'm sure you and your family are very decent people, but the majority of travellers are scum in one way or the other. Their behaviour cannot be controlled by anyone but themselves. They are a nuisance and a burden on regular society in Ireland and need to be dealt with sooner rather than later. The traveller society causes more bad than good and that is the issue at hand here, not to mention the ridiculous views on education and marriage that they have.

    This is sadly true. We regularly have to involve the cops with the intimidation and anti social behaviour from local traveller kids who saunter around our industrial estate all week, the cops themselves will tell you that you are wasting your time talking to their parents, because they are traveller kids, I've been told over the phone several times that they are not like settled children, it's not like you can tell the parents and the parents would be mortified about a cop car turning up at the house with their kid in the back, they genuinely don't give a shít about what criminality their own children get up to and those are not my words, those are the words of the Gardai that deal with the industrial estate where I work.


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    #132
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    TravellerGirl wrote: »
    Oh you have something to say aswell . Funny how you replied to a comment not meant for you but for dan_solo. Oh their are issues and I wont play them down. Their are criminals in my community but not as many as you think. My family and my fiances family don't look for trouble or have ever been in trouble with the lAw.

    Yes i do have something to say. It's a discussion board. That's what we do here. I can reply to whichever comment I want. I chose to reply to the most recent one rather than draw the thread back a few pages. Deal with it.

    And yes, you are downplaying i the issues in the traveller community. You're putting yourself forward as the traveller archetype when it is more likely you are the exception.


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    #133
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Right Turn Clyde wrote: »
    I'm wrong. You never personally attacked TravellerGirl. You referred to her with words like 'delusional', and the vast majority of your posts are delivered in a cutting and sarcastic manner. In short, you may be chipping away at people all the time, but that's not the same as an ad hominem. So I take back what I mistakenly said, and you have my apologies.
    Hahaha, lack of self-awareness much?


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    #134
    TravellerGirl
    Registered Users Posts: 114 ✭✭TravellerGirl


    LordNorbury wrote: »
    People's opinions on travellers will automatically change when people see them starting to pay tax, starting to educate their children and basically that while they may aspire to a different way of life, that they start accepting that this doesn't excuse them from basic and simple obligations that are owed to your children and society, for example having your children educated to a minimum standard and having a career of some sort, and working and paying tax just like other people have to do in society.

    Our children go to school, its because of some schools and children that the Traveller Community don't do well. Also the teachers cannot be bothered with them. Its a bare minority of schools that actually will help a child


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    #135
    Sociopath2
    Registered Users Posts: 242 ✭✭Sociopath2


    TravellerGirl wrote: »
    Our children go to school, its because of some schools and children that the Traveller Community don't do well. Also the teachers cannot be bothered with them. Its a bare minority of schools that actually will help a child

    It's the traveller community's fault their children don't attend or do well in school.

    When they start taking responsibility for their actions they will get more respect. They have been indulged long enough.


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    #136
    RobYourBuilder
    Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    TravellerGirl wrote: »
    Our children go to school, its because of some schools and children that the Traveller Community don't do well. Also the teachers cannot be bothered with them. Its a bare minority of schools that actually will help a child

    89% illiteracy. But it's the settled community at fault.


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    #137
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    TravellerGirl wrote: »
    Our children go to school, its because of some schools and children that the Traveller Community don't do well. Also the teachers cannot be bothered with them. Its a bare minority of schools that actually will help a child

    That's really unfair. A child's primary educator is his or her parents. A school can only do so much. Teachers have an average of 25-30 kids for a few hours a day. As a parent the ratio is much smaller and there are always chances to help your child learn. Traveller children miss more days than settled kids and that puts them at a huge disadvantage educationally and socially. Add to that the lack of input at home and I don't buy the excuse that their parents can't help because they themselves are uneducated, there are plenty of traveller specific programs to help parents, a lot just can't be bothered, they don't see any value in education. Don't blame teachers. They can't do much when they aren't supported at home.


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    #138
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    TravellerGirl wrote: »
    Our children go to school, its because of some schools and children that the Traveller Community don't do well. Also the teachers cannot be bothered with them. Its a bare minority of schools that actually will help a child

    why are the teachers not bothered with them?


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    #139
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Bait for the "PC", I would prefer comments on using public motorways and roads not as intended.


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    #140
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    TravellerGirl wrote: »
    Our children go to school, its because of some schools and children that the Traveller Community don't do well. Also the teachers cannot be bothered with them. Its a bare minority of schools that actually will help a child
    And when a problem is finally admitted it's, shock horror, the settled community's fault.


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    #141
    RobYourBuilder
    Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    why are the teachers not bothered with them?

    Fear.


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    #142
    Sociopath2
    Registered Users Posts: 242 ✭✭Sociopath2


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    why are the teachers not bothered with them?

    You should be asking why do travellers think the teachers cannot be bothered with them?

    Any national school I am familiar with has learning support and resource hours allocated to traveller children and a couple also have SNA hours allocated.

    Doesn't sound like not bothered to me. They are throwing resources at them. The issue is their parents and the traveller community in general putting no value on education.

    They need to lose the persecution complex.


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    #143
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    LordNorbury wrote: »
    As I said, try being a settled person for a week and trying to run a business near a halting site or living near a halting site, you have no idea how head wrecking it is.

    I lived near a halting site for years. It was grand. Never had any problems.


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    #144
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Sociopath2 wrote: »
    They need to lose the persecution complex.
    The fact is traveller children are holding back settled children through needing disproportionate resources. The opposite of what we're being told by the travellers.


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    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Sociopath2 wrote: »
    You should be asking why do travellers think the teachers cannot be bothered with them?

    Any national school I am familiar with has learning support and resource hours allocated to traveller children and a couple also have SNA hours allocated.

    Doesn't sound like not bothered to me. They are throwing resources at them. The issue is their parents and the traveller community in general putting no value on education.

    They need to lose the persecution complex.

    My question was directed at our travelling representative

    It makes my blood boil that kids with real learning difficulty's ,whose parents are desperate for them to achieve a normal start in life get shag all hours while money is shoveled in that community's direction and is thrown back in the taxpayers faces


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    #146
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Still waiting for everyone here to pile in on these insults and defend me.
    Funny how the demands for civility and politeness only apply to one side of this debate isn't it?

    i got ignored completely

    TravellerGirl do you condemn the criminal element of the travelling community


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    #147
    mikehn
    Registered Users Posts: 617 ✭✭✭mikehn


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94288730&postcount=7436
    N7 today :mad:


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    #148
    Hitchens
    Registered Users Posts: 8,008 ✭✭✭Hitchens


    ScienceNerd wrote: »
    Folks I've handed out a few cards to people who felt the need to make offensive comments.
    Mods adding likes to offensive posts (#2) .......anything in the mods charter concerning that?


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    #149
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Hitchens wrote: »
    Mods adding likes to offensive posts (#2) .......anything in the mods charter concerning that?

    it's no longer compulsary


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    #150
    flutered
    Registered Users Posts: 6,685 ✭✭✭flutered


    has any one checked the travellers reaction to the wedding during the week on the sunday world face book page, i heard about it, i do not have a facebook account so i cannt confirm or deny whay was supposed to be put up


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    #151
    RobYourBuilder
    Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    Some travellers are lovely folk. But a huge majority are absolutely terrifying. There is no escaping that fact.


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