Frampton VS Avalos ITV

Big Ears

NotCominBack wrote: »

Scott Quigg and Avalos in top 5 sbw's, plus Martinez being considered as a serious contender... You don't have to go back as far as morales and Barrera. When Martinez beat Dunne he wasn't even considered a remote danger to the top sbw's at the time. And it could be argued he was at his peak about then.

:eek:, I'd like to see someone try and argue that. I don't think you'll find many who believe Martinez's was back when he was mixing wins and losses at European level as opposed to the last year and a half when he's been primarily winning at World level.

Martinez has improved in leaps and bounds and I certainly wouldn't consider a division weak because he is considered a top 5 fighter. It is true that Super-Bantamweight lacks depth outside of the top 5/6 guys, even the outer reaches of the top 10 are really just prospects. But the top guys really are fantastic, and I think we'll see some good contenders emerge within the next 18 months. I really like the look of Albert Pagara, and Kid Galahad is starting to show some substance to go with the style.

NotCominBack wrote: »

I wouldnt get too carried away with tonight - Avalos is soft and hes in the top 5, also with someone like Quigg - sbw lacks any depth these days, not Carls fault - Carl is best of the rest, but doesnt touch Rig or LSC to a slightly lesser extent

LSC, what has he done in his last 4 fights to suggest he is above Frampton ?
IMO his lack of tough opposition is starting to get to him, and there's little progress in his performances. LSC is irrelevant anyway, unless Frampton, Quigg or Rigondeaux sign with Al Haymon they won't be fighting him (and neither will another other opponent with even an element of risk).

megadodge wrote: »

There was no standing count rule in effect.

In most juristictions there isn't.

It perplexes me that more people aren't aware of this. I mean so few places use them (even most of the ones that do use them infrequently), that you'd think most people wouldn't even be aware they're used in pro boxing at all and think it's just an amateur rule.

rebelomar

Great win for Carl last night...Walked the guy down which was impressive.

I liked the "sucker punch" showed a real ruthlessness and killer instinct which will be vital vs a Santa Cruz or Quigg even. He was perfectly in his rights to do so.

Also ITVs better fight production was enjoyable in comparison to the poor quality of boxnation. The atmosphere really came through your tv last night. Electric.

It got dulled down on BN which was a pity.

Nonsense from McGuigan afterwards mentioning Rigo when he has no intention of making that fight anytime soon.

Felt sorry for Quigg afterwards...he's out of his depth on camera...Eddie Hearn should have been there with him imo.

walshb

rebelomar wrote: »

Nonsense from McGuigan afterwards mentioning Rigo when he has no intention of making that fight anytime soon.

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Yes, chasing Scott Quigg? What will that tell us? That he's better than Scott Quigg? It's all money. And who can blame them. Probably make more fighting Quigg than an actual world champion, Rigondeaux. Ok, we'll give him Quigg as a warm up and Rigondeaux at the end of the year. Anyone notice the 2-3 inch height advantage to Quigg? I think it makes for a very good fight.

Spazdarn

He'll likely beat Quigg, it'll be for good money, and it'll be a title defence. No one will give out stink if he fights him and then goes on to fight either LSC or Rigo in the next 2 fights.

Rigo will likely beat him so it's understandable to try and make as much money as possible while he's got the strap

Johner

Frampton continues to really impress, a few years ago there was probably not much between Quigg and Frampton and I gave the edge to Quigg but Frampton has progressed to a level far beyond Quigg. He would destroy him now.

walshb

Johner wrote: »

Frampton continues to really impress, a few years ago there was probably not much between Quigg and Frampton and I gave the edge to Quigg but Frampton has progressed to a level far beyond Quigg. He would destroy him now.

I would agree about Frampton. I am seeing steady improvements. Seems to take a good shot too. Takes it and continues in offense mode. That's a sign of a good beard. Quigg's height and tight defence could make for a great style clash. Quigg is as fit as a fiddle, strong and can bang a bit to the body. Frampton is IMO clearly a better all rounder. I see this as a barnburner. Not much ground given, and could boil down to who is fitter and stronger. I would lean with Carl.

supersean1999

walshb wrote: »

I would agree about Frampton. I am seeing steady improvements. Seems to take a good shot too. Takes it and continues in offense mode. That's a sign of a good beard. Quigg's height and tight defence could make for a great style clash. Quigg is as fit as a fiddle, strong and can bang a bit to the body. Frampton is IMO clearly a better all rounder. I see this as a barnburner. Not much ground given, and could boil down to who is fitter and stronger. I would lean with Carl.

I don't think it would be v close, Frampton would outbox him clearly IMO, Hearn is no fool, if he thought quigg could really win he would be all over this fight, it might happen but it won't be Hearn pushing his boy out to lose

rebelomar

walshb wrote: »

Yes, chasing Scott Quigg? What will that tell us? That he's better than Scott Quigg? It's all money. And who can blame them. Probably make more fighting Quigg than an actual world champion, Rigondeaux. Ok, we'll give him Quigg as a warm up and Rigondeaux at the end of the year. Anyone notice the 2-3 inch height advantage to Quigg? I think it makes for a very good fight.

Ah definitely. No problem with the Quigg fight at all. Could be a huge fight with big financial rewards for both men.

I think Frampton hits too hard for Quigg who we have seen on the canvas before...in fairness to Quigg he recovers well as he is in seriously good shape but I feel Carl is as good a finisher there is in the division and he'll get him outta there at some point. Will be a good contest till that point.

McGuigan calling out Rigo though is a bit Cringey when they have Quigg in the ring and clearly not intent on fighting Rigo anytime soon.

Gary Hyde was on a podcast last night and said he made a beeline for McGuigan afterwards to have a chat about the potential fight but Barry basically blanked him...

Henno30

Frampton vs Rigo is almost at a point where it's interesting now. That alone reflects huge progress in Frampton.

walshb

Henno30 wrote: »

Frampton vs Rigo is almost at a point where it's interesting now. That alone reflects huge progress in Frampton.

I think so. Give it a fooking bash. What's the worst that can happen? You lose....Frampton has heart and fitness and power and a decent chin it seems. He can fight all night, and I reckon he won't be afraid to take the fight to Rigo. Far too much is being made of Rigo here. He's a SBW, not a MW. Get in there, rough it up and give it your all. You might just surprise yourself.

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

I think so. Give it a fooking bash. What's the worst that can happen? You lose....Frampton has heart and fitness and power and a decent chin it seems. He can fight all night, and I reckon he won't be afraid to take the fight to Rigo. Far too much is being made of Rigo here. He's a SBW, not a MW. Get in there, rough it up and give it your all. You might just surprise yourself.

I don't think Frampton would fear Rigondeaux anymore. Respect yes, but not fear. Of course there is the money fight there with Quigg first, a Superfight on this side of the Atlantic, and that's surely where they'll go to first.

But if he comes through that I wouldn't be that surprised for Barry to actually try and make it. It's far more likely than a fight with LSC imo.

NotCominBack

Carl couldn't have won any better, however rig is a couple of steps up from Avalos and Martinez. A step too far I believe, and after McGuigan comes down from the jelly beans he will cop on to avoid Rig and go for the cash, rightly so imo

barney4001

NotCominBack wrote: »

Carl couldn't have won any better, however rig is a couple of steps up from Avalos and Martinez. A step too far I believe, and after McGuigan comes down from the jelly beans he will cop on to avoid Rig and go for the cash, rightly so imo

i doubt very much that carl and rigo match will ever come about ,plenty out there for frampton to overcome and no way will barry risk frampton against rigo for maybe 2/3 years at least

walshb

barney4001 wrote: »

risk frampton against rigo for maybe 2/3 years at least

Jeez, we could all be dead by then!:pac:

That's a long time to to be thinking that either of them would be even still be at SBW, or even still pro boxers worth a damn!

They are both world champions. What else has to happen before the best meet the best?

magma69

Frampton and his team will come under serious pressure if they don't make the Rigondeaux fight after Quigg. Santa Cruz doesn't seem interested in fighting anyone with a pulse so after Frampton beats Quigg, the Rigo fight is the only big fight available really.

It's like Chavez Jr with Martinez and Donaire with Rigo, Frampton will be able to put it off for a few fights but it will have to be made at some point.

I won't be attending any of his fights if he ends up fighting C-level Asians while Rigo is available.

Ginzo

Hes fighting Quigg in Manchester in September apparently..

NotCominBack

wow - 6months, that would be his last fight of the year - methinks mc giugan is hoping Rig retires by then

Joeseph Balls

NotCominBack wrote: »

wow - 6months, that would be his last fight of the year - methinks mc giugan is hoping Rig retires by then

Rig won't retire soon. He is not exactly 'minted'

Talib Fiasco

Rigo is 34 and the older he gets the more chance someone has if beating him, kind if like Floyd. If Framptons team can tease this out so they fight Rigo at age 36 they've a great chance of winning.

walshb

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

If Framptons team can tease this out so they fight Rigo at age 36 they've a great chance of winning.

That's a pretty pathetic scenario though.

walshb

Henno30 wrote: »

Frampton vs Rigo is almost at a point where it's interesting now. That alone reflects huge progress in Frampton.

Very interesting. If anyone expects Carl to keep "improving" and hence then being "ready" to face Rigondeaux, that to me is misplaced. Frampton is a career fighter. He's years at the game. He's about 28 now or so, so probably at his physical prime. What else should he and his team, and we, the fans be waiting on for him (on his side) to suddenly become ready?

If he is not ready now to step up and challenge himself then I don't think there is ever a "right time." He's a legit champion, as is Rigondeaux, both are at the same weight and have the same PRO experience. Neither man has set the world on fire. They are beating the opponents they are meeting, end of.

Carl has had 104 rds of pro action compared to Rigo's 95 rds of pro action. What more should we have to wait for?

Johner

walshb wrote: »

He's about 28 now or so, so probably at his physical prime.

Was a bit surprised to see he was 28 actually! Thought he was a bit younger.

Henno30

Johner wrote: »

Was a bit surprised to see he was 28 actually! Thought he was a bit younger.

Same here. 28 is pushing on for a SBW.

Don't think he'll fight Rigo though. Not while there's money on the table elsewhere. I don't think losing to Rigo completely derails him as he'll still draw in Belfast, but in terms of grander ambitions such as fights in the US the Rigo fight is a complication they don't need.

barney4001

shane mgguigan says carl will ko rigo lol

walshb

barney4001 wrote: »

shane mgguigan says carl will ko rigo lol

Is that why they're not making the fight? Too easy....:P

BTW, it's not an impossibility. Carl IMO is the more rounded pro. More versatile pro, and probably as heavy handed. Both have advantages over each other. Carl and his team can devise strategies to combat Rigo's speed/range and power. If Carl can make this a closely fought (range) fight then I see him as being far superior for a rough and ready inside fight. That's a huge ask, to get to Rigo, and get to him enough at close range. What do you take on the way in? Rigo's feet and movement are as good as any man in history. A big ring will hinder Carl even more. Intriguing battle, but yes, would have to lean with Rigo.

Henno30

walshb wrote: »

Is that why they're not making the fight? Too easy....:P

BTW, it's not an impossibility. Carl IMO is the more rounded pro. More versatile pro, and probably as heavy handed. Both have advantages over each other. Carl and his team can devise strategies to combat Rigo's speed/range and power. If Carl can make this a closely fought (range) fight then I see him as being far superior for a rough and ready inside fight. That's a huge ask, to get to Rigo, and get to him enough at close range. What do you take on the way in? Rigo's feet and movement are as good as any man in history. A big ring will hinder Carl even more. Intriguing battle, but yes, would have to lean with Rigo.

I would lean quite heavily towards Rigo, but Frampton's timing, distance control, and accuracy is getting better in every fight. He looks like an elite level fighter now, he didn't before.