Chelsea Fans Stop A Black Man Boarding A Train In Paris (Read Mod Note in OP)

DenMan

Shocking!

http://news.sky.com/story/1429488/chelsea-fans-stop-black-man-boarding-train

Mod Note: Just a quick note...

Obviously what happened warrants a discussion, and said discussion will involve talking about subsets of fans and the disappointing elements involved.

At the same time, I think we should be avoiding painting ALL fans of a club with the same brush. Comments like "All Chelsea fans are X" are not constructive and in fact could incite problems as innocent fans seek to defend themselves and the majority who are hurt by the actions of the minority.

So if you want to discuss it, please avoid launching wild attacks on the entirety of a fanbase.

Harry Palmr

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057382510&page=10

Kylo Ren

"Hurr durr, we are racist, hurr durr"

*And Drogba has done it. Chelsea have secured their first Champions League*

*Slow, awkward claps*

The_Kew_Tour

They must have been gutted when Drogba scored winning penalty in Munich.

Every fan base has a element, but some clubs have more then others. Few too many one could say. Proof is in the history.

GavRedKing

Terrible scenes, hopefully the face justice.

Good result dragged through the gutter by the act of a few idiots.

GavRedKing

I've said this in the Chelsea thread but I suppose it belongs here too,

I hope all Chelsea fans who travel in Europe now mind their business and not act up as this will paint a target on their backs over this, the innocent among them could be targeted by away supporters and foreign police over the act of those invovled in Paris.

Last thing you want to hear about is innocent people getting caught up in trouble over what a handful of clowns done to that guy in Paris.

lee_baby_simms

This has nothing to do with Chelsea. It should be reported as 'English Football fans...' It's not fair to the club. I don't support them btw.

Footage like this is hardly surprising when you've parties like UKIP legitimising casual racism and whipping racial tension up and down the country.

Be interesting to see if Chelsea are punished as it didn't happen in the stadium

niallo27

Why did he pick that carriage to get on. Probably 10-15 more to pick but he keeps trying to get on the one full of football supporters. People usually go out of their way to avoid these people.

CSF

niallo27 wrote: »

Why did he pick that carriage to get on. Probably 10-15 more to pick but he keeps trying to get on the one full of football supporters. People usually go out of their way to avoid these people.

Are you actually serious

irishfeen

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

They must have been gutted when Drogba scored winning penalty in Munich.

Every fan base has a element, but some clubs have more then others. Few too many one could say. Proof is in the history.

Slightly harsh Kew, understand where your coming from but tbh 99% of Chelsea fans are very decent people ..

Last night was despicable, it's embarrassing for Chelsea, the rest of us in the Premier League and the UK. I wouldn't mind UEFA and the PL making an example of Chelsea here but I do feel sorry for the normal Chelsea fans who are being painted with the one brush across Europe and the world.

FortuneChip

niallo27 wrote: »

Why did he pick that carriage to get on. Probably 10-15 more to pick but he keeps trying to get on the one full of football supporters. People usually go out of their way to avoid these people.

He shouldn't have to.
I'll admit it's what I would have done after being pushed off once, but that shouldn't be what's expected of any person.

niallo27

CSF wrote: »

Are you actually serious

Dont start that ****e. I'm not blaming the bloke. Just found it odd.

FutureGuy

Scumbags be scumbags. Nothing to do with the club.

CSF

niallo27 wrote: »

Dont start that ****e. I'm not blaming the bloke. Just found it odd.

Its such an irrelevance that it doesn't bear mentioning. I'm sure each other carriage was full of football supporters and some people are made more nervous by large groups of football fans than others.

Hardly worthy of discussion when theres a much bigger issue at play.

FortuneChip

FutureGuy wrote: »

Scumbags be scumbags. Nothing to do with the club.

Exactly, could just have easily been any other football club.
Football support brings out a nasty side in a minority of fans that ends up being attributed to all fans of said club unfortunately.
And then you get comments like "typical {club} fans" which is just stupid and doesn't help the issue at all.

irishfeen

FutureGuy wrote: »

Scumbags be scumbags. Nothing to do with the club.

But it is to do with the club.. They were in Paris for that game, they were Chelsea fans/supporters who knows maybe season ticket holders.

It has everything to do with Chelsea FC.

niallo27

FutureGuy wrote: »

Scumbags be scumbags. Nothing to do with the club.

I wouldn't say nothing. They are obviously Chelsea supporters.

DenMan

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

This has nothing to do with Chelsea. It should be reported as 'English Football fans...' It's not fair to the club. I don't support them btw.

Footage like this is hardly surprising when you've parties like UKIP legitimising casual racism and whipping racial tension up and down the country.

Of course it has! It's their travelling fans and now it's a matter for the French police I read. They may be contacting Chelsea directly about this incident.

Harry Palmr

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

This has nothing to do with Chelsea. It should be reported as 'English Football fans...' It's not fair to the club. I don't support them btw.

Footage like this is hardly surprising when you've parties like UKIP legitimising casual racism and whipping racial tension up and down the country.

Ah yes cos nothing like this happened before UKip :rolleyes: Chelsea FC supporter base has a long history with regard to racists and white nationalists. The "Headhunters" being the most notorious of them probably.

No its not the clubs fault but yes the club will be fined cos that's the way UEFA think.

CSF

irishfeen wrote: »

But it is to do with the club.. They were in Paris for that game, they were Chelsea fans/supporters who knows maybe season ticket holders.

It has everything to do with Chelsea FC.

Inclined to agree with this. People are more than willing to associate the good things fans do with the club, but if its a bad thing, nope, not the club.

CSF

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Ah yes cos nothing like this happened before UKip :rolleyes: Chelsea FC supporter base has a long history with regard to racists. The "Headhunters" being the most notorious of them probably.

No its not the clubs fault but yes the club will be fined cos that's the way UEFA think.

UEFA have already said they're taking no action.

They are the worst football fans in the world!

Harry Palmr

CSF wrote: »

UEFA have already said they're taking no action.

Really? Oh, interesting. Presumably they will leave it up to the club to ban them and the Met to nick them. Will they be handed over to the French rozzers I wonder.

brevity

They should have video footage of them, send their images to football clubs around Europe and make sure they never set foot in a football ground again.

To try and comprehend this idiocy makes my head hurt.

CSF

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Really? Oh, interesting. Presumably they will leave it up to the club to ban them and the Met to nick them. Will they be handed over to the French rozzers I wonder.

That is the correct action IMO. Anyone identified should be banned by the club and dealt with as appropriate by the police.

The only difficulty with any sort of police investigation would be that it would be very easy for them to claim they were pushing him off because the train was too full and they feared their safety. IMO they could only really prosecute for the singing, which is shocking. Chelsea on the other hand, probably don't require such conclusive evidence to ban someone.

RobertKK

Feel sorry for the person who received this racist treatment, along with the decent Chelsea fans who would never do such a thing.

The people responsible need to be dealt with.

Harry Palmr

CSF wrote: »

That is the correct action IMO. Anyone identified should be banned by the club and dealt with as appropriate by the police.

The only difficulty with any sort of police investigation would be that it would be very easy for them to claim they were pushing him off because the train was too full and they feared their safety. IMO they could only really prosecute for the singing, which is shocking. Chelsea on the other hand, probably don't require such conclusive evidence to ban someone.

The words or the unsteady pitch?

keith16

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

This has nothing to do with Chelsea. It should be reported as 'English Football fans...'

Eh? Why stop at English? If it has nothing to do with Chelsea, then what has it got to do with England?

donfers

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

They are the worst football fans in the world!

It's a controversial view but the club certainly has a significant unsavoury element

I remember them being, by far the worst club for booing a minute's silence for the Hillsborough victims a few years back and it wasn't just a few nutjobs screaming out.

I'm sure even their own fans here wouldn't deny there is a strong pro UKIP feeling among their fanbase and that is basically anti-foreigner, anti-Irish, anti-immigrant right-wing rule brittania (the club, for example, has strong ties with Rangers FC who adopt similar views)

KingdomYid

FortuneChip wrote: »

Exactly, could just have easily been any other football club.
Football support brings out a nasty side in a minority of fans that ends up being attributed to all fans of said club unfortunately.
And then you get comments like "typical {club} fans" which is just stupid and doesn't help the issue at all.

But it wasn't any football club, how can you prove that any other set of supporters would act the same?

Harry Palmr

I could suggest that these morons were taking their lead from Arrigo Sacchi

IvySlayer

Ban them from every stadium

Take away their passports for 5 years

efb

KingdomYid wrote: »

But it wasn't any football club, how can you prove that any other set of supporters would act the same?

You are niave if you think is exclusive to Chelsea. I was at Arsenal Chelsea a few years ago and sickened by the bile directed at Astley Cole. Remember Spurs' fans treatment of Walcott a few years ago?

Muff_Daddy

I'm sorry if this offends the genuine Chelsea fans on here, and it goes without saying that it's not a mark of you or your club, but there is a special type of scum attached to Chelsea, through no fault of the club of course. Yes, all fans have a minority of idiots, but Chelsea's minority seems to be a bigger, louder, nastier minority than most.

Racist chanting is something I have never heard from any traveling English club, except for one.

KingdomYid

efb wrote: »

You are niave if you think is exclusive to Chelsea. I was at Arsenal Chelsea a few years ago and sickened by the bile directed at Astley Cole. Remember Spurs' fans treatment of Walcott a few years ago?

Remind me of any racist behaviour directed towards Walcott?

I have been to more games than I can count and I have heard plenty of vile stuff, but this is different IMO.

efb

KingdomYid wrote: »

Remind me of any racist behaviour directed towards Walcott?

Abusive behaviour- throwing coins at him - or are you saying that's OK? And why can you use a banned term in your username?

KingdomYid

efb wrote: »

Abusive behaviour- throwing coins at him - or are you saying that's OK? And why can you use a banned term in your username?

What banned term? I have never been told it is banned. Anyway am not getting dragged into a tit for tat with you. Will say no more.

efb

KingdomYid wrote: »

What banned term? I have never been told it is banned. Anyway am not getting dragged into a tit for tat with you. Will say no more.

Yid- this is a banned term in the soccer forum - I assume you read the charter

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/17/david-cameron-yid-really-is-race-hate-word

Harry Palmr

efb wrote: »

Yid- this is a banned term in the soccer forum - I assume you read the charter

Dear God, move on.

efb

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Dear God, move on.

From what?

efb

efb wrote: »

Abusive behaviour- throwing coins at him - or are you saying that's OK? And why can you use a banned term in your username?

That wasn't racism that was a stupid rivalry between 2 poor london teams.

FortuneChip

KingdomYid wrote: »

But it wasn't any football club, how can you prove that any other set of supporters would act the same?

This incident was Chelsea fans, to say that no other set of supporters would/could act the same is naive.
This isn't the first time we've seen football hooligans in action, and it hasn't always been Chelsea fans at the centre of it.

efb

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

That wasn't racism that was a stupid rivalry between 2 poor london teams.

I never said it was racism - just highlighting scummy behaviors from "fans" of all clubs

Harry Palmr

efb wrote: »

From what?

from a username.

efb

Harry Palmr wrote: »

from a username.

Just don't get the double standard

efb

Anyway all clubs have moronic fans

efb

efb wrote: »

Anyway all clubs have moronic fans

Irrelevant post.
Not all clubs have racist facist fans

GavRedKing

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

Irrelevant post.
Not all clubs have racist facist fans

Well on probability, the chances are high that every club has at least 1 racist fan somewhere, so youre wrong on that assumption.

magma69

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

Irrelevant post.
Not all clubs have racist facist fans

I would say every single club in the Premiership has at least some racist, fascist fans. Thing is, Chelsea has so much more than other clubs. Their anti-Irish bigotry is also notable. Worst fans in the Premiership imo. Second only to Rangers in the UK.

Let's not fool ourselves though, there are dcikheads at every club.

efb

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

Irrelevant post.
Not all clubs have racist facist fans

Its not- racist / homophobic/ Abusive fans are all vile scum