The Vladimir Putin appreciation thread.

gandalf

na1 wrote: »

BTW, what is the NATO-s definition of international law?
The Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan  and Iraq are just curious.

Ah deflection when you know you are wrong play the deflection card

na1

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Discodog wrote: »

Putin says this & wonders why the UK blame him

Putin briefly dropped his image as Russia’s tough but merciful czar to make clear that he could forgive misdeeds by wayward subjects but “not everything.” Asked what could not be forgiven, Mr. Putin said bluntly, “Betrayal.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/14/world/europe/skripal-putin-poisoning-russia.html

The difference is the UK has not yet provided anything that would categorically show Putin and Kremlin ordered this attack. 

josip

na1 wrote: »

BTW, what is the NATO-s definition of international law?
The Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq are just curious.

Interesting use of articles there na1.
Are you from east of here by any chance?

gandalf

na1 wrote: »

So your previous statement about "violation of international law" was not true?
So the Russia (or actually the Crimea) has violated the Ukrainian Constitution?
That's also being disputed, the Republic of Crimea never formally accept the Ukrainian Constitution.
And Ukraine never signed the border demarcation with Russia anyway. So formally there were no officially acknowledged  borders.

No it is true. Illegal from a Ukrainian point of view and illegal from an international perspective. Pouring troops over the border and then forcing a vote under the eye of those troops whist excluding residents of the Crimea and citizens of Ukraine does not make a legitimate vote. But hey let's not Minch words here all you are interested in is blind support of the Novofuhrer and his fascist regime.

na1

gandalf wrote: »

na1 wrote: »

BTW, what is the NATO-s definition of international law?
The Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan  and Iraq are just curious.

Ah deflection when you know you are wrong play the deflection card

Deflection card is when the "international law" silently transformed to "Ukrainian Constitution"

Cheerful Spring

na1 wrote: »

BTW, what is the NATO-s definition of international law?
The Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan  and Iraq are just curious.

Difference between Western intervention and Russia is the West supports coups and organises uprisings behind the scenes and arms those groups to overthrow leaders. The western politicians then say look at those fine people is not great they are looking for democracy! The West intervenes in conflicts for a bigger agenda, dominance and control of resources.

Russia for me intervenes after the uprising and coup are underway and there is a threat to Russia speaking people in Crimea, Georgia. Putin has not yet started a war on his own.

na1

gandalf wrote: »

na1 wrote: »

So your previous statement about "violation of international law" was not true?
So the Russia (or actually the Crimea) has violated the Ukrainian Constitution?
That's also being disputed, the Republic of Crimea never formally accept the Ukrainian Constitution.
And Ukraine never signed the border demarcation with Russia anyway. So formally there were no officially acknowledged  borders.

No it is true. Illegal from a Ukrainian point of view and illegal from an international perspective.

Can you elaborate the point when Ukrainian law is transformed to international perspective?

Pouring troops over the border and then forcing a vote under the eye of those troops whist excluding residents of the Crimea and citizens of Ukraine does not make a legitimate vote

"Fantasy news" channel?

na1

josip wrote: »

na1 wrote: »

BTW, what is the NATO-s definition of international law?
The Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan  and Iraq are just curious.

Are you from east of here by any chance?

I'm The Beast!

gandalf

Lol how is it fantasy news, the Novofuhrer pinned medals on those troops chests. Do you get paid by the word or the post there in Savushkina Street?

na1

gandalf wrote: »

Lol how is it fantasy news, the Novofuhrer pinned medals on those troops chests. Do you get paid by the word or the post there in Savushkina Street?

1)You were talking about the "pouring troops across the border" There ware around 15-20k Russian troops in Crimea all the time (1991-2014). There was a Russian-Ukrainian agreement about ~20k quota for the military presence and Russia never violated this.
2)You were talking  about "forcing a vote under the eye of those troops whist excluding residents of the Crimea and citizens of Ukraine" that was never proved by either Ukrainian or western mass media. No videos or other documents...

gandalf

Ah but there were numerous details about this at the time. As I said check over the posts on boards from that time.

So back to Savushkina Street, do they pay well. I can put my ethics, standards and dignity to one side like some others who "may" be posting if the price is right.

Cheerful Spring

Saudi Arabia, UAE and Turkey started the Syrian war. The Syrian war was no uprising of the people. The war was started by foreign fighters pouring into the country to destabilise one of the most forward-thinking countries in the Middle East.

Biden admitted as much in this video, but as per usual the Americans never accept responsibility for their actions in the middle east. Biden may not be in touch with what the CIA and other agencies are doing and not surprising they are allowed to do things abroad with very little oversight.

cameramonkey

wrong thread.

Discodog

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Just shows what you know! Why did Britain allow these oligarchs into the country in the first place? These mafia as you call them are anti Putin which is the reason why they cleared out of Russia with their loot.
Go ahead and seize the billions, who cares! It would serve them right.

It's easy to spot the anti Putin ones as they are dead. Putin has to get his billions out of Russia. London is seen as a very safe investment. He can't invest but his cronies can on his behalf.

The UK were misguided in the beginning but not now.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Russia for me intervenes after the uprising and coup are underway and there is a threat to Russia speaking people in Crimea, Georgia. Putin has not yet started a war on his own.

More bs now come on you seriously think anyone buys this

Discodog

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The difference is the UK has not yet provided anything that would categorically show Putin and Kremlin ordered this attack. There are 150 million people in Russia so how they know this attack was not carried out by Anti Putin people inside Russia? Skipral was a UK spy since 2010 he could had bad relationships with other people who wanted him dead. Russia is an easy scapegoat in 2018..

In that case Russia is guilty for allowing nerve agents to get into the hands of others. They are also guilty for breaching the conventions on the continual development of such weapons.

gandalf

What is telling is the number of countries who recognise that Crimea is part of Russia. The list isn't long. Cmon na1 humour me

Cheerful Spring

Discodog wrote: »

In that case Russia is guilty for allowing nerve agents to get into the hands of others. They are also guilty for breaching the conventions on the continual development of such weapons.

Sure but lets us have that investigation. Russia has asked the UK for a test sample and they have refused. If it's Russia state-sponsored terrorism why are they afraid to work with Russia on this?

na1

Discodog wrote: »

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The difference is the UK has not yet provided anything that would categorically show Putin and Kremlin ordered this attack. There are 150 million people in Russia so how they know this attack was not carried out by Anti Putin people inside Russia? Skipral was a UK spy since 2010 he could had bad relationships with other people who wanted him dead. Russia is an easy scapegoat in 2018..

In that case Russia is guilty for allowing nerve agents to get into the hands of others.  They are also guilty for breaching the conventions on the continual development of such weapons.

One of the inventors of the Novichok agent emigrated(escaped?) to USA in 1990-s, and currently is  an active member of anti-Putin opposition. What a coincidence!

Discodog

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Sure but lets us have that investigation. Russia has asked the UK for a test sample and they have refused. If it's Russia state-sponsored terrorism why are they afraid to work with Russia on this?

No they haven't. Teresa May said that they may give a sample, if possible, but their priority will be to give it to the OPCW.

They won't work with Russia because they can't believe them or trust them. If you were attacked would you like to discuss it with your attacker ?

Gatling

na1 wrote: »

One of the inventors of the Novichok agent emigrated(escaped?)

Lol .

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

More bs now come on you seriously think anyone buys this

Facts on the ground support this. You can't blame Putin for neo-fascists taking power in Ukraine and Islamic fighters taking over Chechnya and the fighting in Syria. Putin has not started a war that I would consider is hostile to western interests. We should be ashamed of Western governments actions worldwide. Why are we supporting Neo-Fascists and Islamic terrorists who want us all dead, as christens?

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Facts on the ground support this. You can't blame Putin

What facts are you apparently speaking about ,

Now don't use your own scewed opinion as fact

na1

gandalf wrote: »

What is telling is the number of countries who recognise that Crimea is part of Russia. The list isn't long. Cmon na1 humour me

So the legitimacy of the intervention is now judged by the number of counties who recognize the new borders?
What if more countries recognize Crimea as a part of Russia? would this change the international law?

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

What facts are you apparently speaking about ,

Now don't use your own scewed opinion as fact

The evidence is overwhelming and pointless arguing with someone who has a worldview helping terrorists and neo-fascists is ok.

gandalf

Nope it wouldn't. Btw na1 the grand total who recognise Crimea as part of Russia is Eight. By any measure that is extremely pathetic.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The evidence is overwhelming and pointless

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na1

gandalf wrote: »

Nope it wouldn't. Btw na1 the grand total who recognise Crimea as part of Russia is Eight. By any measure that is extremely pathetic.

Would you remind me the grand total who've recognized Poblacht na hÉireann?
Does this considered by international laws as a violation of the British constitution?

gandalf

Ah deflection and whataboutary. Dragging up a situation from nearly 100 years ago just proves how pathetic your position and blind support of a facsist regime is.

Elmer Blooker

gandalf wrote: »

Nope it wouldn't. Btw na1 the grand total who recognise Crimea as part of Russia is Eight. By any measure that is extremely pathetic.

Eight that are in control of their own foreign policies, the vast majority of countries are scared ****less of Uncle Sam! :eek: