The Vladimir Putin appreciation thread.

Discodog

Looks like Putin is banged to rights. Russia was supposed to have destroyed any stocks of Novichok years ago. So whether he used it, or someone else did, it's his fault.

He really messed up using Novichok instead of something common. He is in breach of the Convention on Chemical Weapons. That is regarding as extremely serious.

He's either exactly where he wants to be, or a third party is causing world chaos. It's not like Putin wouldn't know that it would be traced back to Russia.. At least give the man some credit for not being a retard.

mcmoustache

Deleted User wrote: »

He's either exactly where he wants to be, or a third party is causing world chaos. It's not like Putin wouldn't know that it would be traced back to Russia.. At least give the man some credit for not being a retard.

Same reason that Litvinienko's death was done with Polonium. Sometimes it's about sending a message.

Gatling

Discodog wrote: »

Looks like Putin is banged to rights. Russia was supposed to have destroyed any stocks of Novichok years ago. So whether he used it, or someone else did, it's his fault.

He really messed up using Novichok instead of something common. He is in breach of the Convention on Chemical Weapons. That is regarding as extremely serious.

I honestly don't think he cares , he's finely crafted a Story line over the last decade where big bad NATO has completely surrounded his vast country and and mobilising large numbers of troops to sieze russsia ,and Russia needs increased nuclear weapons programme's and advanced weapons , while trying to destabilise NATO and the EU ,no matter what and where he does it ,he has an excuse of being a victim in everything he does ,
How many thousands have been killed in Syria as direct result of bombing campaigns ,
How many died in East Ukraine including the shooting down of Flight MH17 ,
Even take the Olympic doping scandal (it's all a set up ) and what happened after russians at the Olympics still doping .
And then you have the people making the excuses oh look what happened to them in ww2(every few years they revise the deaths) to make it look worse than it actually was ,
They are the consumate victims while being the aggressor first and foremost

HONKEY TONK

Discodog wrote: »

Looks like Putin is banged to rights. Russia was supposed to have destroyed any stocks of Novichok years ago. So whether he used it, or someone else did, it's his fault.

This stuff was developed in the 70s / 80s

How would he personally be responsible for stocks in ex Soviet countries?

Gatling

HONKEY TONK wrote: »

This stuff was developed in the 70s / 80s

How would he personally be responsible for stocks in ex Soviet countries?

His country ,his military ,his responsibility and even more so to come out and say sorry we lost control of our Nuclear , chemical and biological weapons ,

Billy86

Deleted User wrote: »

He's either exactly where he wants to be, or a third party is causing world chaos. It's not like Putin wouldn't know that it would be traced back to Russia.. At least give the man some credit for not being a retard.

Putin is very smart, no doubts there, but he also has a history of opportunism and striking at times when others are vulnerable. This incident screams of that somewhat and the response (or lack thereof) especially, with how pathetic May has looked to this point. If that is the case though he appears to have misjudged it a good deal here, as May had put herself in a position where there was almost no chance of redemption for her, and that's exactly what this - a particularly prickly olive branch, but an olive branch nonetheless, for someone with everything to gain and very, very little to lose politically.

Corbyn by contrast has made an absolute balls of the situation.

HONKEY TONK

Gatling wrote: »

His country ,his military ,his responsibility and even more so to come out and say sorry we lost control of our Nuclear , chemical and biological weapons ,

His Military has responsibility for ex-soviet weapons in the following countries?

Sure I can see these countries queuing up to hand them back!

Armenia
Azerbaijan
Byelorussia
Estonia
Georgia
Kazakhstan
Latvia
Lithuania
Moldavia
Tajikistan
Turkmenia
Ukraine
Uzbekistan


Maybe Putin and his Military should march in to get them back themselves?

Gatling

HONKEY TONK wrote: »

His Military has responsibility for ex-soviet weapons in the following countries?



Maybe Putin and his Military should march in to get them back themselves?

They are russian weapons ,they obviously are no longer in control of their weapon systems ,

cnocbui

HONKEY TONK wrote: »

This stuff was developed in the 70s / 80s

How would he personally be responsible for stocks in ex Soviet countries?

Because there are no stocks in other countries. According to the Russians this stuff doesn't exist, and they weren't actually busy developing and working on it after signing International chemical weapons non-proliferation treaties which obliged them to destroy existing stocks.

HONKEY TONK

Gatling wrote: »

They are russian weapons ,they obviously are no longer in control of their weapon systems ,

Do you think the US and UK have control of their weapons left in Iraq, Afganistan, The weapon drops in Syria?

cnocbui

HONKEY TONK wrote: »

Do you think the US and UK have control of their weapons left in Iraq, Afganistan, The weapon drops in Syria?

Oh - when, and to whom, did they supply nukes and chemical weapons? I must have missed that news item.

HONKEY TONK

cnocbui wrote: »

Because there are no stocks in other countries.

And how do you know this?

Ex-soviet countries have stockpiles of Russian weapons. There is not reason to believe they also don't have Chemical Agents aswell.

HONKEY TONK

cnocbui wrote: »

Oh - when, and to whom, did they supply nukes and chemical weapons? I must have missed that news item.

Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Belarus all had nuclear arms on their territory when they were in the Soviet Union.

Are you saying they didn't? Also that they didn't have Chemical Weapons?

Conall Cernach

Conspiracy stuff I know but what the hey:

How come the Brits have identified this stuff so quickly if the only place in the world with stocks of it is Russia? Surely if they can identify it that means they must have had access to it at some stage. So maybe they still have some stocks of it, it's not like they're whiter than white themselves. Maybe they tried to off him themselves in a way that would embarrass Russia and take the heat off May seeing as how he was no good to them as an asset anymore.

Trent Houseboat

cnocbui wrote:

Oh - when, and to whom, did they supply nukes and chemical weapons? I must have missed that news item.

They supplied Syrian jihadists with chemical weapons to use on themselves in a false flag operation to smear the name of Vlad's good friend Bashar.

Gatling

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

They supplied Syrian jihadists with chemical weapons to use on themselves in a false flag operation to smear the name of Vlad's good friend Bashar.

And you can prove this with evidence ???

cnocbui

HONKEY TONK wrote: »

And how do you know this?

Ex-soviet countries have stockpiles of Russian weapons. There is not reason to believe they also don't have Chemical Agents aswell.

Because the ex-soviet satellite sates aren't on the list: https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/cbwprolif

This particular substance was never acknowledged to exist so it is unlikely it was made in significant quantity and weponised otherwise the US would likely have raised it as an issue.

Franz Von Peppercorn

cnocbui wrote: »

Oh - when, and to whom, did they supply nukes and chemical weapons? I must have missed that news item.

The rebel led chemical plants found yesterday had American equipment.

cnocbui

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

They supplied Syrian jihadists with chemical weapons to use on themselves in a false flag operation to smear the name of Vlad's good friend Bashar.

You mean you are a conspiracy theorist who can't prove a single thing claimed and expect people to just accept your word on good faith because you are such a great person it's obvious everything you say is as good as if it were chiseled on a stone tablet and couriered by Moses himself?

Franz Von Peppercorn

Secretary of Defense (for now) said the Syrian chemical attacks there was “no evidence” of who did it.

http://www.newsweek.com/now-mattis-admits-there-was-no-evidence-assad-using-poison-gas-his-people-801542

A few weeks ago we were all so certain.

Franz Von Peppercorn

cnocbui wrote: »

You mean you are a conspiracy theorist who can't prove a single thing claimed and expect people to just accept your word on good faith because you are such a great person it's obvious everything you say is as good as if it were chiseled on a stone tablet and couriered by Moses himself?

Well it’s definitely a conspiracy theory, but then intelligence agencies do conspire. First casualty of war etc.

HONKEY TONK

cnocbui wrote: »

Because the ex-soviet satellite sates aren't on the list: https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/cbwprolif

This particular substance was never acknowledged to exist so it is unlikely it was made in significant quantity and weponised otherwise the US would likely have raised it as an issue.

You said as follows:

cnocbui wrote: »

Oh - when, and to whom, did they supply nukes and chemical weapons? I must have missed that news item.

In 1994, through an accident of fate, the newly independent country of Ukraine found itself in possession of the world’s third-largest nuclear arsenal.

The fact is Ukraine had over 2000 nuclear weapons after the collapse.

This is why i don't believe you when you think that Ukraine also didnt/dont have an only stockpile of Chemical weapons also. the same as any other ex-soviet country

Edit: And just to add to the link you sent where you think all Russain Chemical weapons stayed in Russia

ALBANIA

Chemical Weapons

State declaration: Although it joined the CWC in 1994, Albania did not acknowledge its possession of 16 metric tons of mustard agent (as well as small quantities of lewisite and other chemicals) until 2003. The OPCW declared Albania’s destruction complete in July 2007.

Vladimir Poontang

gandalf wrote: »

Naw the real number was apparently 10-20, here's a link to an article from Der Spiegel.

http://m.spiegel.de/international/world/american-fury-the-truth-about-the-russian-deaths-in-syria-a-1196074.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook#ref=rss

The false numbers were put out by characters like Igor "Strelkov" Girkin, remember him from the Ukrainian incursion by Russian troops, sorry I mean patriots.

You mean Gatling swallowed some blatantly obvious propaganda hook, line and sinker? I am shocked, absolutely shocked.

Billy86

Gatling wrote: »

And you can prove this with evidence ???

I'm pretty sure we're at the point where it's impossible to tell when someone is openly taking the p*ss and when someone expects to be taken seriously while spouting that type of nonsense. My money is on Trent being the former and not the latter.

mcmoustache

Conall Cernach wrote: »

Conspiracy stuff I know but what the hey:

How come the Brits have identified this stuff so quickly if the only place in the world with stocks of it is Russia? Surely if they can identify it that means they must have had access to it at some stage. So maybe they still have some stocks of it, it's not like they're whiter than white themselves. Maybe they tried to off him themselves in a way that would embarrass Russia and take the heat off May seeing as how he was no good to them as an asset anymore.

This is not the first time that I've seen this theory.

The answer to how they knew so quickly is actually quite straight-forward - spies, double agents and other dissidents. Every country has them and they are used all the time. In fact, the guy who was poisoned was one.

Countries like to know what other countries are up to and it's not hard to find out how to test for a chemical that you know the other country has.

That conspiracy theory kinda fails at the first hurdle.

cnocbui

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The rebel led chemical plants found yesterday had American equipment.

Lol. seriously? Sputnik news? How convenient! There is proof of Syria having used Sarin and the threat of US retalliatory strikes and they just happen to find a supposed chemical weapons manufacturing facility - containing Saudi and western equipment, no less.

That is so obvious it's hysterical.

Here is the logical problem: These rebels, managed to smuggle in a chemical weapons plant, made Sarin, weaponised it, then they used the weapons exclusively on themselves - not even once using them on their enemy - Syrian soldiers.

The alternative theory is that Syria has been using chemical weapons on the enemy, and not themselves, has been caught out and is 5hit scared of the consequences so have installed some of their own surplus, more likely broken, equipment, in a building and are now claiming to have 'discovered' a rebel chemical weapons lab to try and spin a BS story about the rebels cheerfully killing themselves to make them look bad.

This supposed false flag story is pathetic.

Elmer Blooker

Gatling wrote: »

And you can prove this with evidence ???

It was done in such an amateurish way it was clearly fake. For example there were "activists" examining the aftermath of a chemical "attack". They were wearing some protective gear but standing right beside them was a guy with no protective gear and wait for it ..... smoking a fag!
A group of Swedish doctors examined the "activist" propaganda footage and said the treatment of children shown was completely fake.

Lol. seriously? Sputnik news? How convenient! There is proof of Syria having used Sarin and the threat of US retalliatory strikes and they just happen to find a supposed chemical weapons manufacturing facility - containing Saudi and western equipment, no less.

You don't believe it? If these terrorists are capable of burning prisoners alive in a cage, throwing gays off roofs, trafficking women, beheading, slitting throats etc etc I'm sure they are more than capable of using chemical weapons.

Trent Houseboat

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cnocbui

Conall Cernach wrote: »

Conspiracy stuff I know but what the hey:

How come the Brits have identified this stuff so quickly if the only place in the world with stocks of it is Russia? Surely if they can identify it that means they must have had access to it at some stage. So maybe they still have some stocks of it, it's not like they're whiter than white themselves. Maybe they tried to off him themselves in a way that would embarrass Russia and take the heat off May seeing as how he was no good to them as an asset anymore.

They know what the Novichok group of chemicals are because they were told about them last century, by the scientists who were working on them. One of them wrote a book about it - why don't you buy a copy and read it: State Secrets: An Insider's Chronicle of the Russian Chemical Weapons Program22 Dec 2008
by Vil S Mirzayanov

The author emigrated to the US and would have likely told the US security community the chemistry details.