The Vladimir Putin appreciation thread.

Dinarius

jacksie66 wrote: »

Yep. The Bolsheviks and the Soviets ran a paradise..

You’re absolutely correct in your irony. They began with the best of intentions, and the only things they did right were help defeat Germany (it would not have happened without Russia) and beat the Americans in the space race.

Apart from that, I agree; it all went very wrong. Which begs the question; what is fundamentally flawed about Russia?

D.

one world order

With a dying western financial system based on debt and a desire by the global elites to move to a one world government, Putin has been a bright light against the dark immoral society our rulers have been pushing us to.

Gone are morals and values replaced with drugs, porn, satanic music, loss of purpose and a mainstream media brainwashing the masses for more wars and chaos.

A self inflicted poisoning in the UK was used to turn countries against Russia, when the heat came on the UK they quickly used an alleged chemical attack in Syria to save their blushes. With the USA and Britain supporting terrorism, constantly creating turmoil in the world and using the mainstream media to brainwash the masses, it is refreshing to see Putin standing up to the evil.

FingerDeKat

one world order wrote: »

With a dying western financial system based on debt and a desire by the global elites to move to a one world government, Putin has been a bright light against the dark immoral society our rulers have been pushing us to.

Gone are morals and values replaced with drugs, porn, satanic music, loss of purpose and a mainstream media brainwashing the masses for more wars and chaos.

A self inflicted poisoning in the UK was used to turn countries against Russia, when the heat came on the UK they quickly used an alleged chemical attack in Syria to save their blushes. With the USA and Britain supporting terrorism, constantly creating turmoil in the world and using the mainstream media to brainwash the masses, it is refreshing to see Putin standing up to the evil.

lulz:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

jacksie66

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Discodog

jacksie66 wrote: »

I agree. Ed Sheeran is pure satanic music..

Pussy Riot

gandalf

Lol Putin standing up to evil ROFLOL!!! Oh god please post more this is comedy gold

Beasty

gandalf wrote: »

Lol Putin standing up to evil ROFLOL!!! Oh god please post more this is comedy gold

The problem is it's not funny for anyone who gets caught up in his actions, be it a target or someone like those screaming kids being caught up in the crossfire suffering the effects of chemical weapons

He's certainly having his desired effect of causing maximum disruption pretty much throughout the world, and destabilising countries that believe in democracy and freedom

The fact we find people in this country actually supporting his tyrannic regime is arguably the most worrying point

Cheerful Spring

Reports of heavy clashes in Syria now involving Hezbollah and Israel. Reports of bases hit and huge explosion near the Golan Heights.

el diablo

Beasty wrote: »

The problem is it's not funny for anyone who gets caught up in his actions, be it a target or someone like those screaming kids being caught up in the crossfire suffering the effects of chemical weapons

He's certainly having his desired effect of causing maximum disruption pretty much throughout the world, and destabilising countries that believe in democracy and freedom

The fact we find people in this country actually supporting his tyrannic regime is arguably the most worrying point

So would you consider Russia and Putin to currently be a bigger threat to world peace and stability than the US? Would you condemn the US for the massive amounts of deaths to innocent civilians, chaos and destruction that has resulted from their foreign policy over the last several decades? Russia and Putin are choirboys in comparison.

gandalf

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Reports of heavy clashes in Syria now involving Hezbollah and Israel. Reports of bases hit and huge explosion near the Golan Heights.

I'm seeing nothing reported anywhere about this? Are you making stuff up again?

gandalf

Beasty wrote: »

The problem is it's not funny for anyone who gets caught up in his actions, be it a target or someone like those screaming kids being caught up in the crossfire suffering the effects of chemical weapons

He's certainly having his desired effect of causing maximum disruption pretty much throughout the world, and destabilising countries that believe in democracy and freedom

The fact we find people in this country actually supporting his tyrannic regime is arguably the most worrying point

Oh absolutely I find it farcical that any right minded individual could post something like that when it is obvious that the man and his regime are the exact opposite of what they claimed. They are the biggest threat to peace and stability in Europe.

cnocbui

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Reports of heavy clashes in Syria now involving Hezbollah and Israel. Reports of bases hit and huge explosion near the Golan Heights.

Really?

False Alarm in Syria: Military Sources Says No Attack Overnight

Elmer Blooker

el diablo wrote: »

So would you consider Russia and Putin to currently be a bigger threat to world peace and stability than the US? Would you condemn the US for the massive amounts of deaths to innocent civilians, chaos and destruction that has resulted from their foreign policy over the last several decades? Russia and Putin are choirboys in comparison.

The vast majority of people couldn't give a damn about innocent civilians slaughtered as a result of US foreign policy and anyway the media ventriloquists make sure we get to hear as little as possible about this "collateral damage". That is the reality of the world we live in.

Gringo180

Billy86 wrote: »

You'll struggle to find almost anyone here who thinks the US healthcare system is (edit) anything but a rotten joke, but that's hardly an area to be bragging about when life expectancy in Russia ranks below North Korea, Kyrgyzstan, Guatemala and Suriname as per the WHO, at #110 in the entire world.

And Syria, Iraq, Belize, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, etc by the UN (though beating North Korea out by about 1-2 weeks' expectancy!), who have them at #126 in the world.

For reference the US is #31 and #43 respectively in those lists; Ireland is at #19 and #23 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Another thing. How does the US compare with the top 35 OECD nations?

Billy86

Gringo180 wrote: »

Another thing. How does the US compare with the top 35 OECD nations?

The US is at #31 and #43 in the link I gave to you initially, the same post where I already answered that in a post you already responded to?

Billy86 wrote: »

Gringo180 wrote: »

And yet it still provides free healthcare to all its citizens. Unlike the richest country in the world, were military spending seems more important than there peoples well being.

You'll struggle to find almost anyone here who thinks the US healthcare system is (edit) anything but a rotten joke, but that's hardly an area to be bragging about when life expectancy in Russia ranks below North Korea, Kyrgyzstan, Guatemala and Suriname as per the WHO, at #110 in the entire world.

And Syria, Iraq, Belize, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, etc by the UN (though beating North Korea out by about 1-2 weeks' expectancy!), who have them at #126 in the world.

For reference the US is #31 and #43 respectively in those lists; Ireland is at #19 and #23 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

And it's not the cold weather, as Norway, Sweden, Iceland and Canada are all in the top 20 on both lists (with Finland at #21 and #26, respectively).

It's fair to say closing 28 hospitals and laying off 10,000 healthcare staff in Moscow alone, while Putin and his oligarch buddies horde all the wealth into their own castles and giant yachts and the like, is one of the main causes of life expectancy in Russia being so far down the list as to be in line with North Korea.

ohnonotgmail

Billy86 wrote: »

The US is at #31 and #43 in the link I gave to you initially, the same post where I already answered that in a post you already responded to?



And it's not the cold weather, as Norway, Sweden, Iceland and Canada are all in the top 20 on both lists (with Finland at #21 and #26, respectively).

It's fair to say closing 28 hospitals and laying off 10,000 healthcare staff in Moscow alone, while Putin and his oligarch buddies horde all the wealth into their own castles and giant yachts and the like, is one of the main causes of life expectancy in Russia being so far down the list as to be in line with North Korea.

not forgetting spending hundreds of millions on football players who cant be arsed.

Billy86

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

not forgetting spending hundreds of millions on football players who cant be arsed.

Now now, you need to get that money through the cycle somehow...

Cheerful Spring

el diablo wrote: »

So would you consider Russia and Putin to currently be a bigger threat to world peace and stability than the US? Would you condemn the US for the massive amounts of deaths to innocent civilians, chaos and destruction that has resulted from their foreign policy over the last several decades? Russia and Putin are choirboys in comparison.

Don't bother they never get it. I dislike the fact we are in and will be involved in it when they wreck the world. How do we stop it anarchy revolution how do we stop the crazies who hold power?

Cheerful Spring

Looks like an independent researcher from the UK has debunked Putin and Assad carried out a Syrian chemical attack. Of course, the usual puppets will deny this.

Fisk’s thought-provoking piece is centered around the witness accounts of Assim Rahaibani, a 58-year-old local doctor who told him that patients caught in the heart-wrenching video – the one claiming to show the aftermath of the alleged chemical weapons attacks in Douma – did not actually suffer from any toxins.

They were “overcome not by gas but by oxygen starvation” because they had to live in rubbish-filled underground shelters in order to survive the perils of fighting. The doctor told the Independent reporter that on the night of April 7, when the alleged attack supposedly took place, “there was wind and huge dust clouds began to come into the basements and cellars where people lived.”

Patients began to arrive in his subterranean hospital suffering from hypoxia and oxygen loss, Dr Rahaibani continued. “Then someone at the door, a ‘White Helmet’, shouted “gas!” and a panic began. People started throwing water over each other.” He added: “Yes, the video was filmed here, it is genuine, but what you see are people suffering from hypoxia – not gas poisoning.”

Billy86

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Looks like an independent researcher from the UK has debunked Putin and Assad carried out a Syrian chemical attack.

Lots more about Syria attacks.

You're in the wrong thread.

jobbridge4life

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Looks like an independent researcher from the UK has debunked Putin and Assad carried out a Syrian chemical attack. Of course, the usual puppets will deny this.

Fisk’s thought-provoking piece is centered around the witness accounts of Assim Rahaibani, a 58-year-old local doctor who told him that patients caught in the heart-wrenching video – the one claiming to show the aftermath of the alleged chemical weapons attacks in Douma – did not actually suffer from any toxins.

They were “overcome not by gas but by oxygen starvation” because they had to live in rubbish-filled underground shelters in order to survive the perils of fighting. The doctor told the Independent reporter that on the night of April 7, when the alleged attack supposedly took place, “there was wind and huge dust clouds began to come into the basements and cellars where people lived.”

Patients began to arrive in his subterranean hospital suffering from hypoxia and oxygen loss, Dr Rahaibani continued. “Then someone at the door, a ‘White Helmet’, shouted “gas!” and a panic began. People started throwing water over each other.” He added: “Yes, the video was filmed here, it is genuine, but what you see are people suffering from hypoxia – not gas poisoning.”

Fisk offered an alternative take substantively on the basis of one Doctor's testimony. A doctor who used the same terminology for rebel forces as the regime itself.

Fisk is a good journalist, and a good counterpoint to the rush to judgement that normally accompanies these kind of events. To claim that he has 'debunked' anything however is jumping many steps ahead of reality. He may be right, but it is not by any means conclusive.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Looks like an independent researcher from the UK has debunked

More pro assputin propaganda independent yeah like all the other independent individuals you make claims


Debunking lolz



Isn't this the putins not appreciated thread

Elmer Blooker

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Fisk offered an alternative take substantively on the basis of one Doctor's testimony. A doctor who used the same terminology for rebel forces as the regime itself.

And? What exactly are you trying to say? Do you seriously think that Syrians, the VAST majority who are pro government are going to call foreign jihadists who invaded Syria "rebels"? They call them terrorists and foreigners. This "rebel" label put on these jihadists is a western invention for a gullible public who would believe anything and also to disguise the fact that western governments are supporting Islamists.
Fisk is a fluent Arabic speaker and I would take what he says seriously.

jobbridge4life

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

And? What exactly are you trying to say? Do you seriously think that Syrians, the VAST majority who are pro government are going to call foreign jihadists who invaded Syria "rebels"? They call them terrorists and foreigners. This "rebel" label put on these jihadists is a western invention for a gullible public who would believe anything and also to disguise the fact that western governments are supporting Islamists.
Fisk is a fluent Arabic speaker and I would take what he says seriously.

I very clearly took his report seriously, I praised him as a journalist and recognized his contributions. The use of that term was a point of note to Fisk himself, as he has stated in at least one interview. Perhaps you should address your outrage to the man himself in this case.:rolleyes:

Cheerful Spring

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Fisk offered an alternative take substantively on the basis of one Doctor's testimony. A doctor who used the same terminology for rebel forces as the regime itself.

Fisk is a good journalist, and a good counterpoint to the rush to judgement that normally accompanies these kind of events. To claim that he has 'debunked' anything however is jumping many steps ahead of reality. He may be right, but it is not by any means conclusive.

He spoke with the residents in Douma and they told him what happened. They are not involved in the back and forth we do on the internet here, they told him what actually happened. The only conspiracy is the west needs to stop being fooled by jihadists.

cnocbui

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Fisk offered an alternative take substantively on the basis of one Doctor's testimony. A doctor who used the same terminology for rebel forces as the regime itself.

Fisk is a good journalist, and a good counterpoint to the rush to judgement that normally accompanies these kind of events. To claim that he has 'debunked' anything however is jumping many steps ahead of reality. He may be right, but it is not by any means conclusive.

I respect Fisk. He was careful to quote the doctor in a way that indicated he probably had certain allegiances. I understand it might be asking a lot and not be easy but his story was crying out for someone to try and find the White Helmets and get their version.

Kermit.de.frog

Cheerful Spring

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That me laugh so hard so true:D

Tea drinker

Gatling wrote: »

More pro assputin propaganda independent yeah like all the other independent individuals you make claims


Debunking lolz



Isn't this the putins not appreciated thread

You debunked (lol) Robert Fisks debunking in a short paragraph. Congrats, pulitzer for you.
Or maybe just google the guy and you won't look foolish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Fisk

Discodog

Tea drinker wrote: »

You debunked (lol) Robert Fisks debunking in a short paragraph. Congrats, pulitzer for you.
Or maybe just google the guy and you won't look foolish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Fisk

But did he ? He quotes a doctor & then adds that you can't rely on information from such sources. It's not unreasonable that people might associate children choking on dust as a gas attack especially when there have been dozens of such attacks.

The retaliation by the West was justified if it makes Assad & Putin think twice about using chemical weapons in the future.