The Vladimir Putin appreciation thread.

Irish Praetorian

Egginacup wrote: »

Vindicate yourself by naming 10 crimes against humanity conducted by the UK and Russia/USSR in the last 30 years.

Answers at your leisure, please.

Oh a few things come to mind...

Occupying part of Moldova since the 1990s

Orchestrating the ethnic cleansing of Georgians in Abkhazia 1992-3

The 2nd Siege of Grozny

Rocketing to a wonderful third place on 'the most dangerous country to be a journalist' list

Invasion and annexation of Crimea

Sponsoring a separatist war in Donetsk and Luhasnk


Although part of me thinks the worst offence is people now thinkings that if they want to make criticisms of 'The West' they are somehow obligated to defend Russia (or just about any other tinpot dicatorship) to the hilt.

pcardin

Egginacup wrote: »

The Novorrussians have shattered the Kiev Nazis who have been shelling kids since August and they are on the run. The Nazis in Kiev were installed by Washington and their massacres were approved by Washington, and that is undeniable.

I'm really looking forward to the Novorussians being completely successful when Spingtime comes and Kiev being fcuked.

The so called self proclaimed 'Novorussians' are nothing else than a bunch of criminals committing crime to the left and right and will be hanging in the trees rather sooner than later. Them, like yourself, is a garbage littered around in occupied countries during soviet times and left behind after soviets fcuked off in 1990. Them do not belong to anywhere, locals don't want them, even their glorified mother Russia doesn't want to know anything about them (however recognized them as a nice propoganda distributor to the West). West is bad, America is evil, russia is good but wouldn't relocate there for no money in the world. :pac:
It's so nice to be in West though, all of you are so desperate to be here, even Putin and other comedians from his government have their houses in west, children living outside Russia. So pathetic. :pac:

Grayson

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

Although part of me thinks the worst offence is people now thinkings that if they want to make criticisms of 'The West' they are somehow obligated to defend Russia (or just about any other tinpot dicatorship) to the hilt.

yep. as soon as you mention Russia doing something bad people start throwing out the gulf war, invasion of Iraq etc.. I marched against the invasion of Iraq. it's perfectly possible to think that the US have been major assholes on many occasions and at the same time hold the same opinion about Russia.

B_Wayne

arayess wrote: »

considering he grew up with his parents carrying around the burden of his dead brother . If it affected his parents (which it's logical to assume it did) it would have certainly have had an impact on putin.
To say otherwise is stupid and insensitive

I can't help but feel no sympathy for a man who is much worse than 'insensitive'...

Egginacup

Thomas_. wrote: »

During the 1980s in the GDR, there he was the "head of the KGB" but not "the head" of the KGB itself.

Putin was a desk analyst in Dresden.

Egginacup

Thomas_. wrote: »

Well, not the top one but as it happened in the then sattelite states of the Eastern Bloc, each country had it´s "KGB head" there.

So he was never head of the KGB as previously stated, correct?

Thanks.

Egginacup

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Is Russia the only country in the world where leaders are considered great based on how people they have killed?

In other words, the more people you kill the greater you are viewed. Stalin is positively lionised in Russia today and among the left elsewhere. What a man, the way he dealt with all those defenceless minority ethnic groups, and returning POWs and dissidents and so on.

What a leader. Not like those human rights loving leaders in the west.

The more destruction and anarchy Putin sows outside his country, the more he is admired by some.

And what destruction and anarchy, pray tell, has Putin sown inside or outside of Russia?

And Stalin is NOT lionised in Russia. You don't know what you're talking about.

pcardin

Grayson wrote: »

yep. as soon as you mention Russia doing something bad people start throwing out the gulf war, invasion of Iraq etc.. I marched against the invasion of Iraq. it's perfectly possible to think that the US have been major assholes on many occasions and at the same time hold the same opinion about Russia.

But that's the nature of Russians, always someone else fault. Everyone is bad to them, themselves clean and nice. Calling Germans nazis by keeping silent the fact that at the beginning they were allies with Nazi Germany dividing the world. After war spending decades trying to erase this from every history page. Unsuccessfully thought. Calling themselves victors and celebrating 9th May as they they think they freed world. For so many countries this day was a beginning of dark times, occupation, mass killings, general purge, slavery etc. and Russian history books will not mention these facts. It is just a sad nation, nation that never succeed to be friends with anyone for long, never been able to live in piece.
Calling China as their friends. Ha ha. So naive. :rolleyes:

Egginacup

Shurimgreat wrote: »

In the case of Putin and Russia its easy to be popular when you murder, exile or threaten opponents, shut down most of their means of expression and platforms, bring in laws that restrict everyone and basically scare everyone sh*tless. The Russian public are fed 24/7 pro Kremlin propaganda in which he is treated as a demi-god and all the negatives convienently ignored.

Funny how when America invades a nation they are condemned. When Russia invades a nation they are hailed and admired usually by the same people.

Again can you tell us when and where Russia has invaded in order to be "hailed and admired" ?

jobbridge4life

Egginacup wrote: »

Again can you tell us when and where Russia has invaded in order to be "hailed and admired" ?

Ossetia and Abkhazia...

Crimea...

the rust belt of the Ukraine.

Egginacup

B_Wayne wrote: »

Russia is the 3rd most dangerous place to live. Much of the assassinations are political including the likes of Litvinenko with that case of pilonium poisoning. Honey traps against gay people operate freely in Russia. Scenes of gay people being beaten on streets during Sochi Olympics came out. Then you've got bans on so called gay propaganda, bans on transgender taxi drivers. Him implying that gay people are paedophiles. Political opponents are regularly jailed. Sounds like a lovely chap who wishes Russia to be a free and equal society.

Can you back up ANY of these wild claims?

Thomas_.

Egginacup wrote: »

Putin was a desk analyst in Dresden.

Well, some nice description there for a desk analyst isn´t it:

KGB career

Putin joined the KGB in 1975 upon graduation, and underwent a year's training at the 401st KGB school in Okhta, Leningrad. He then went on to work briefly in the Second Chief Directorate (counter-intelligence) before he was transferred to the First Chief Directorate, where among his duties was the monitoring of foreigners and consular officials in Leningrad.[36][37]

From 1985 to 1990, the KGB stationed Putin in Dresden, East Germany.[38] During that time, Putin was assigned to Directorate S, the illegal intelligence-gathering unit (the KGB's classification for agents who used falsified identities) where he was given cover as a translator and interpreter.[39] One of Putin's jobs was to coordinate efforts with the Stasi to track down and recruit foreigners in Dresden, usually those who were enrolled at the Dresden University of Technology, in the hopes of sending them undercover in the United States.

During the Fall of the Berlin Wall, a mob threatened to storm the KGB building, Putin burned the KGB’s files and sent frantic requests for orders from his bosses in the capital. “Moscow is silent,” Putin later recalled in his official biography.[40]

Following the collapse of the communist East German government, Putin was recalled to the Soviet Union and returned to Leningrad, where in June 1991 he assumed a position with the International Affairs section of Leningrad State University, reporting to Vice-Rector Yuriy Molchanov.[37] In his new position, Putin maintained surveillance on the student body and kept an eye out for recruits. It was during his stint at the university that Putin grew reacquainted with his former professor Anatoly Sobchak, then mayor of Leningrad.[41]

Putin resigned from the active state security services with the rank of lieutenant colonel on 20 August 1991 (with some attempts to resign made earlier),[41] on the second day of the KGB-supported abortive putsch against Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev.[42] Putin later explained his decision: "As soon as the coup began, I immediately decided which side I was on", though he also noted that the choice was hard because he had spent the best part of his life with "the organs".[43] In 1999, he described communism as "a blind alley, far away from the mainstream of civilization."[44]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin#KGB_career

Well, I admit it´s not that easy to specify when one is "the head of the KGB" and when it is not. What I do believe is, that he still has some of his "connections" from that time among his supporters.

Thomas_.

Egginacup wrote: »

And what destruction and anarchy, pray tell, has Putin sown inside or outside of Russia?

And Stalin is NOT lionised in Russia. You don't know what you're talking about.

Ah, look at the annual May parades and it´s hard to see anything different to the old times. The "old" Communist still worship him and to stay correct, Georgia isn´t anymore part of Russia, but the place where Joseph Stalin was born has no problem at all with him.

pcardin

Egginacup wrote: »

Again can you tell us when and where Russia has invaded in order to be "hailed and admired" ?

Invaded, occupied Crimea and east Ukraine recently. Hailed and admired by all low educated traktrorists and drunks otherwise known as computer warriors all over Russia and their infested countries. Even in this thread there are a number of them hopping that Kiev will be occupied and killed by spring.

From past invasions? Here you go - last 2-3 decades - Afghanistan, Chechnya, Georgia

Since after WWII - Baltics, Poland, Czech Republic, Moldova, Slovakia, Slovenia, Romania, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Croatia,Hungary, Bulgaria, Kirghizia, Armenia, and some more (and no need to tell BS that these joined themselves).

Territories invaded and still not given back - Koenigsberg (Kaliningrad), Kuril Islands, Karelia.

ALL the above mentioned invasions were glorified by Russians and followed by mass killings.

Thomas_.

Egginacup wrote: »

Can you back up ANY of these wild claims?

Have you been an editor of the Pravda? That paper is famous for her past of "travesting the truth until a lie becomes the truth".

Egginacup

Shurimgreat wrote: »

FFS, as part of the Minsk agreement, the pro Russian fighters agreed to pull back an ultra modern multiple rocket launcher that only the Russian state produces and owns. That's just one example of the help and support. You couldn't bury your head in the sand any deeper if you tried.

Did it ever occur to you that a lot of the equipment that the Novorossians have has actually been captured from Kiev forces?

And so what if Moscow is supplying arms to Novorossians in order to defend themselves from a campaign of genocide by Nazis. Anyone with a shred of decency would help them.
And only a sinister thug or a clueless buffoon would side with Nazis from Kiev attempting to ethnically cleanse eastern Ukraine.
There are over 1 million refugees from eastern Ukraine now seeking shelter in Russia. Strange destination for refugees if Russia is the aggressor in all of this wouldn't you say?

BoJack Horseman

Saying "Nazi" over & over again does not an argument make.

pcardin

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Saying "Nazi" over & over again does not an argument make.

Unfortunately that is the word they use against absolutely anyone who disagrees with their ill mind. Soon you, me and others here will be called Nazi too. :pac::D

Thomas_.

pcardin wrote: »

Invaded, occupied Crimea and east Ukraine recently. Hailed and admired by all low educated traktrorists and drunks otherwise known as computer warriors all over Russia and their infested countries. Even in this thread there are a number of them hopping that Kiev will be occupied and killed by spring.

From past invasions? Here you go - last 2-3 decades - Afghanistan, Chechnya, Georgia

Since after WWII - Baltics, Poland, Czech Republic, Moldova, Slovakia, Slovenia, Romania, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Croatia,Hungary, Bulgaria, Kirghizia, Armenia, and some more (and no need to tell BS that these joined themselves).

Territories invaded and still not given back - Koenigsberg (Kaliningrad), Kuril Islands, Karelia.

ALL the above mentioned invasions were glorified by Russians and followed by mass killings.

I think that a bit more correctness would be in order to back up your argument. The occupation and "incorpration" of the Baltic countries were a result of the Hitler-Stalin-Pact and came to the USSR in due course of WWII. Moldova was until the end of WWII part of Romania and those countries who formed the former Yugoslavia were (as far as I know) mainly liberated by the Tito partisans. Yugoslavia was never a member of the Warsaw Pact and as for Königsberg, that´s a part of the Potsdam Conference in 1945 where the Allies settled the Zones of Occupation for Germany and those territories East of the Oder/Neisse line got under Polish and Soviet "administration". Not just the result of Stalins policy but also a deal between him and the Western Allies when they sorted out which country falls under which ones influence. In exchange for the Balkan countries, Stalin agreed on Greece going to the Western sphere of interest, in particular following the British demands made by Churchill.

But if you´d say that "Stalin was Russia as well as Russia was Stalin" then you might be not far from the truth. I for myself try to distinguish between Russia as a country and his leaders, in particular Stalin and his successors during the USSR era.

Thomas_.

pcardin wrote: »

Invaded, occupied Crimea and east Ukraine recently. Hailed and admired by all low educated traktrorists and drunks otherwise known as computer warriors all over Russia and their infested countries. Even in this thread there are a number of them hopping that Kiev will be occupied and killed by spring.

From past invasions? Here you go - last 2-3 decades - Afghanistan, Chechnya, Georgia

Since after WWII - Baltics, Poland, Czech Republic, Moldova, Slovakia, Slovenia, Romania, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Croatia,Hungary, Bulgaria, Kirghizia, Armenia, and some more (and no need to tell BS that these joined themselves).

Territories invaded and still not given back - Koenigsberg (Kaliningrad), Kuril Islands, Karelia.

ALL the above mentioned invasions were glorified by Russians and followed by mass killings.

I think that a bit more correctness would be in order to back up your argument. The occupation and "incorporation" of the Baltic countries were a result of the Hitler-Stalin-Pact and came to the USSR in due course of WWII. Moldova was until the end of WWII part of Romania and those countries who formed the former Yugoslavia were (as far as I know) mainly liberated by the Tito partisans. Yugoslavia was never a member of the Warsaw Pact and as for Königsberg, that´s a part of the Potsdam Conference in 1945 where the Allies settled the Zones of Occupation for Germany and those territories East of the Oder/Neisse line got under Polish and Soviet "administration". Not just the result of Stalins policy but also a deal between him and the Western Allies when they sorted out which country falls under which ones influence. In exchange for the Balkan countries, Stalin agreed on Greece going to the Western sphere of interest, in particular following the British demands made by Churchill.

But if you´d say that "Stalin was Russia as well as Russia was Stalin" then you might be not far from the truth. I for myself try to distinguish between Russia as a country and his leaders, in particular Stalin and his successors during the USSR era.

pcardin

Egginacup wrote: »

Did it ever occur to you that a lot of the equipment that the Novorossians have has actually been captured from Kiev forces?

BS According to papa Putin they bought in local shop or eBay :rolleyes:

Egginacup wrote: »

And so what if Moscow is supplying arms to Novorossians in order to defend themselves from a campaign of genocide by Nazis. Anyone with a shred of decency would help them.
And only a sinister thug or a clueless buffoon would side with Nazis from Kiev attempting to ethnically cleanse eastern Ukraine.

Nazis, nazis, nazis, OMG, nazis everywhere... :pac::D

Egginacup wrote: »

There are over 1 million refugees from eastern Ukraine now seeking shelter in Russia. Strange destination for refugees if Russia is the aggressor in all of this wouldn't you say?

Another BS fed to you by RT

Stinicker

He's no Kim Jong-un thats for sure, /thread

Thomas_.

pcardin wrote: »

BS According to papa Putin they bought in local shop or eBay :rolleyes:


Nazis, nazis, nazis, OMG, nazis everywhere... :pac::D

Another BS fed to you by RT

What I really find funny is the use of the word "traktorist" in contrast to what the Putin-faction uses. It´s like nail on the head.

More ridiculous is the use of the Fascist card by the Putinesque brigade to depict those who got overrun by separatist paramilitias in the Ukrainians own country to serve the "appetite" of Putin for a land grab.

Akrasia

This is such a bizzare thread

B_Wayne

Akrasia wrote: »

This is such a bizzare thread

Stalin praise thread on the way!

Thomas_.

Akrasia wrote: »

This is such a bizzare thread

Indeed. It´s bizzare to watch and notice how many of the old Communists survived the time, given that the USSR doesn´t exist anymore since 1991.

Thomas_.

B_Wayne wrote: »

Stalin praise thread on the way!

Will you start it?

Grayson

Egginacup wrote: »

Did it ever occur to you that a lot of the equipment that the Novorossians have has actually been captured from Kiev forces?

And so what if Moscow is supplying arms to Novorossians in order to defend themselves from a campaign of genocide by Nazis. Anyone with a shred of decency would help them.
And only a sinister thug or a clueless buffoon would side with Nazis from Kiev attempting to ethnically cleanse eastern Ukraine.
There are over 1 million refugees from eastern Ukraine now seeking shelter in Russia. Strange destination for refugees if Russia is the aggressor in all of this wouldn't you say?

this genocide you speak off. You say the novorussians bravely rose up to stop it . When did this happen exactly? At what point did the "kiev nazi's" start this campaign that these brave fighters rose up to stop? Were there death camps and mass graves?

As for refugees going to Russia, well it's a general rule of thumb I have for fleeing violence, run AWAY from the violence. Not towards it. To get to Ukraine the refugees would actually have to go through the front line.

btw, the equipment the separatists have been using is not Ukrainian. If it was they would have run out of ammo a while ago. They've managed to fight for a year with no ammo shortages. Some of the heavy equipment they've used isn't even available to the Ukrainians.

pcardin

Thomas_. wrote: »

More ridiculous is the use of the Fascist card by the Putinesque brigade to depict those who got overrun by separatist paramilitias in the Ukrainians own country to serve the "appetite" of Putin for a land grab.

Indeed, calling Ukrainians nazi for defending their own country :eek:

pcardin

Thomas_. wrote: »

Indeed. It´s bizzare to watch and notice how many of the old Communists survived the time, given that the USSR doesn´t exist anymore since 1991.

Bear in mind these here on Boards reside somewhere in Ireland. What I find funny is that most of these poor pro-Russian souls that are so defending Putin and Russia's aggression have never been in Russia, never even planned to do so but so proudly call themselves Russians, decorating their cars and houses with Russian flags and ribbon of St. George along with Stalin's portret.