The Vladimir Putin appreciation thread.

cnocbui

Tea drinker wrote: »

You debunked (lol) Robert Fisks debunking in a short paragraph. Congrats, pulitzer for you.
Or maybe just google the guy and you won't look foolish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Fisk

Anyone who thinks the Fisk article casts doubt on the chemical weapons story needs to read it very carefully again.

Fisk goes to the clinic in the video and finds a friendly doctor who speaks good English - that's convenient. He says the video was genuine - well he has to now since Russian media are using bribed for a bag of rice boy to counter the story. The Doctor says it was dust, not gas - which is great, except he apparently wasn't there:

As Dr Assim Rahaibani announces this extraordinary conclusion, it is worth observing that he is by his own admission not an eyewitness himself and, as he speaks good English, he refers twice to the jihadi gunmen of Jaish el-Islam [the Army of Islam] in Douma as “terrorists” – the regime’s word for their enemies, and a term used by many people across Syria. Am I hearing this right? Which version of events are we to believe?
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By bad luck, too, the doctors who were on duty that night on 7 April were all in Damascus giving evidence to a chemical weapons enquiry,

So Fisk did not speak to an eyewitness:

I was with my family in the basement of my home three hundred metres from here on the night but all the doctors know what happened.

I'm not sure he would have gotten a different story even if he had, or that the Doctors talking to the OPCW will either, because of what can happen in Syria if you are a Doctor who goes off script:

A Syrian doctor has told how he was tortured and forced to watch other prisoners die in regime jails as a report reveals almost 18,000 detainees have died during the country’s brutal civil war.

Amnesty International says an average of 10 people have been killed every day by beatings, disease and neglect in secretive detention facilities controlled by Bashar al-Assad’s forces over the past five years.

Survivors have given horrific accounts of rape and abuse in overcrowded cells where prisoners are left to suffocate and succumb to illness or starvation.

Bashar Farahat, a 32-year-old doctor, was working in a hospital in Latakia province when he was arrested by officers from Syria’s notorious Military Intelligence Directorate in July 2012.

Bashar Farahat fled Syria after being imprisoned twice by government security forces (Amnesty International)

“The minute you get in the car you disappear,” he told The Independent. “You don’t know anything about the world outside and the world outside doesn’t know anything about you. Once you are detained you become the property of the guards and the interrogators can do anything to you to get a confession.”

Mr Farahat believes he was reported to the authorities for supporting anti-government protests and treating those injured in the ensuing regime crackdown.

The trainee paediatrician was taken to the headquarters of the Military Intelligence branch in Latakia and subjected to a so-called “welcome party”, where new arrivals are beaten publicly by groups of officers armed with metal bars and electric cables.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-war-news-latest-doctor-reveals-horrific-torture-in-prison-as-amnesty-international-estimates-a7196171.html

And Fisk himself, talking about the White Helmets, says:

Of course we must hear their side of the story

From Fisk's article it would seem the anti government civilians and fighters had left for Idlib. Those who were caught up in Douma and who were either neutral or pro government had chosen to stay, so those he was talking to were all on one side of the fence. To have done a more balanced article Fisk needed to go to Idlib and talk to the refugees who had been in Douma and had left. Easier said then done, I'm sure.

Franz Von Peppercorn

It’s fairly typical when Fisk does some on the ground reporting, that the neocons would try muddy the water.

Watch this for a claim of bias.

as he speaks good English, he refers twice to the jihadi gunmen of Jaish el-Islam [the Army of Islam] in Douma as “terrorists” – the regime’s word for their enemies, and a term used by many people across Syria. Am I hearing this right?

So the doctor is being discredited by calling the army of Islam terrorists. Only a regime proponent would apparently think that.

The article writer ( there’s no link) is so incredulous at this name calling he’s barely able to contain himself. Am I hearing this right he asks incredulously.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Discodog wrote: »

But did he ? He quotes a doctor & then adds that you can't rely on information from such sources. It's not unreasonable that people might associate children choking on dust as a gas attack especially when there have been dozens of such attacks.

The retaliation by the West was justified if it makes Assad & Putin think twice about using chemical weapons in the future.

No the attacks remain illegal under international law even if he had used chemical weapons. The last three nations who should be interfering in the region are these three imperialist states (not the “west”) who have caused so much suffering there for 100 years or more. One of which countries definitely used chemical weapons in the region in the past.

robindch

Gatling wrote: »

Tell us all about russian media and censorship

It's not just censorship, but blatant propaganda as well.

The object of this propaganda is a) to plant multiple narratives in the public domain to desensitize and confuse the public into complacency - a person who doesn't know what to think will not know what to do; b) to denigrate the democracies which pose a threat to Putin's administration externally via sanctions, and internally, via the encouragement of public protest - if the public believe that everywhere else is worse, then why bother doing anything?

Here's a taste of what's being pumped into the living rooms of Russian citizens by the Putin administration as it concerns the EU. Anti-US and anti-NATO propaganda is similar in form and content.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikLjgtYc-lM

cnocbui

Another thing to admire Putin for - threatening the wives of US servicemen.

What a despicable cowardly low-life pr1ck he is.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/08/russians-posed-as-is-hackers-threatened-us-military-wives.html

Billy86

Thousands protested against Putin across Russia a few days back. To the question "what, will you arrest all of us?" Putin's answer was basically "we'll do our best", locking up over 1,600 for protesting.

And the useful idiots of his harp on about "free speech!!" like there is no tomorrow.

Elmer Blooker

Billy86 wrote: »

Thousands protested against Putin across Russia a few days back. To the question "what, will you arrest all of us?" Putin's answer was basically "we'll do our best", locking up over 1,600 for protesting.

And the useful idiots of his harp on about "free speech!!" like there is no tomorrow.

Yet another attention seeking publicity stunt from "leading opposition leader" Mr Navalny? I'm sure many of the "protesters" were western media useful idiots sent to cover this latest publicity stunt.
The useful idiots were clearly instructed not to report the awesome numbers that turned out for yesterday's V-Day celebrations in Moscow. But to be honest I'm not surprised that this family day out was censored.
Go to around 4.15 and see the astonishing crowds!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVWRQcXs81c

ohnonotgmail

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Yet another attention seeking publicity stunt from "leading opposition leader" Mr Navalny? I'm sure many of the "protesters" were western media useful idiots sent to cover this latest publicity stunt.
The useful idiots were clearly instructed not to report the awesome numbers that turned out for yesterday's V-Day celebrations in Moscow. But to be honest I'm not surprised that this family day day out was censored.
Go to around 4.15 and see the astonishing crowds!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVWRQcXs81c

so you agree with the jailing of political protestors?

Elmer Blooker

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so you agree with the jailing of political protestors?

Navalny is not "political", maybe you can tell me what party he leads and what are his politics?
So what, he's "anti corruption" but I've never heard of anyone who's pro corruption or who will admit to it!
Yesterday's march clearly shows the popularity of Putin as there was nothing like it during the poverty stricken Yeltsin era.

ohnonotgmail

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Navalny is not "political", maybe you can tell me what party he leads and what are his politics?
So what, he's "anti corruption" but I've never heard of anyone who's pro corruption or who will admit to it!
Yesterday's march clearly shows the popularity of Putin as there was nothing like it during the poverty stricken Yeltsin era.

the protest was in opposition to Putin. how is that not political?

Cheerful Spring

Billy86 wrote: »

Thousands protested against Putin across Russia a few days back. To the question "what, will you arrest all of us?" Putin's answer was basically "we'll do our best", locking up over 1,600 for protesting.

And the useful idiots of his harp on about "free speech!!" like there is no tomorrow.

Russia has 156 million people. Do you think we should change the Irish government when a few thousand marches on a Dublin Street?

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Russia has 156 million people. Do you think we should change the Irish government when a few thousand marches on a Dublin Street?

Lol

The statements actually get worse

Elmer Blooker

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Russia has 156 million people. Do you think we should change the Irish government when a few thousand marches on a Dublin Street?

A "protest" of 1,600 in Moscow, a city of ten million would equal a protest of around 160 on a Dublin street!

ohnonotgmail

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

A "protest" of 1,600 in Moscow, a city of ten million would equal a protest of around 160 on a Dublin street!

the difference is that the protest in dublin wouldn't end with all the protestors locked up.

Gatling

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the difference is that the protest in dublin wouldn't end with all the protestors locked up.

Chances are they arrested a lot more than actually Claimed too

Tea drinker

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the difference is that the protest in dublin wouldn't end with all the protestors locked up.

I heard some children fighting for water rights were detained by the regime in Dublin? There was some fake story also concocted by the Regime and their henchmen in the Police force? Plenty of students got baytins and were detained back in '11 / 12 protesting about fees.
Ah sure you could get jail here for not paying the Government propaganda licence (RTE) ;-)

ohnonotgmail

Tea drinker wrote: »

I heard some children fighting for water rights were detained by the regime in Dublin? There was some fake story also concocted by the Regime and their henchmen in the Police force? Plenty of students got baytins and were detained back in '11 / 12 protesting about fees.
Ah sure you could get jail here for not paying the Government propaganda licence (RTE) ;-)

yeah those situations are really comparable with what is happening in russia. :rolleyes:

Billy86

It was so well known already that it's hardly even news, but the perpetrators of the Mariupol bombing that killed 29 Ukranians have been identified as high ranking Russian army officers, including Major Gen. Stepan Stepanovich Yaroschuk and Col. Sergey Ivanovich Lisai.

So much for it being Ukranians bombing themselves for the sake of it, or everyday Russians 'on holiday'. But we all already knew that.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/article210790044.html

A Russian major general now believed to be helping lead his country’s missile and artillery efforts in Syria was behind the indiscriminate shelling in January 2015 of a Ukrainian town that left at least 29 civilians dead.

Working off of raw video, cellphone intercepts and information gleaned from social media and military websites in Ukraine and Russia, a joint reporting team that includes U.K.-based Bellingcat and McClatchy has identified nine Russian officers — including Major Gen. Stepan Stepanovich Yaroschuk — thought to have been directly involved in the military operation that killed and injured scores of civilians.

The shells that rained down on Mariupol came from two Russian artillery batteries transported on the eve of the operation into Russian-controlled territory in Ukraine.

The shelling was part of Russia's hybrid military operation in Ukraine, combining military support to ethnic Russian separatists with direct incursions into breakaway border regions. The goal was to extend Russian control in a country that was flirting with closer ties to Western Europe.

Elmer Blooker

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

yeah those situations are really comparable with what is happening in russia. :rolleyes:

Interesting to note that while the EU is "concerned" about Russia they fully supported and backed the Spanish government when it sent in the Guardia Civil heavies to attack peaceful demonstrators in Catalonia. This hypocrisy doesn't surprise me and is to be expected. As for those French riot cops I'd rather not go there! :eek:
http://www.dw.com/en/eu-condemns-russia-protest-arrests-police-brutality/a-43672447

So much for it being Ukranians bombing themselves for the sake of it

Please explain what an "alleged" missile is?

Billy86

The article does not mention an "alleged missile", you will need to recalibrate your disinformation campaign now that we know it was Russian army majors and colonels involved in murdering 29 Ukrainians.

Elmer Blooker

Billy86 wrote: »

The article does not mention an "alleged missile", you will need to recalibrate your disinformation campaign now that we know it was Russian army majors and colonels involved in murdering 29 Ukrainians.

It took more than three years for this ... "evidence" to emerge.
From your link:

The bombing of Mariupol, Ukraine, in January 2015 killed at least 29 civilians. The Ukrainian government is using drone footage to investigate the attack by alleged Russian missiles. Alexa Ard / McClatchy

Billy86

That does not say 'alleged missiles' though does it? It says alleged Russian missiles, as in missiles that were alleged to be Russian. And now we know high ranking Russian soldiers were involved in it. You know this, hence why you feel duty-bound to attempt to misrepresent it as you always do when you've got no other defense.

As I said it's not a surprise to know higher ups in the Russian army were behind the killing of these Ukrainians.

Kermit.de.frog

Gatling

The Dutch criminal investigation to the Shooting Down of Flight MH17 over Ukraine have concluded it was shot down by russian forces of the 53rd Anti aircraft missle brigade based in the Russian city Kursk .who had traveled in Convoy from Kursk to Ukraine and back again .




http://news.sky.com/story/mh17-plane-was-brought-down-by-russian-military-missile-11383700

The road section of the Kerch Strait bridge opened last week linking the Crimean peninsula to Krasnodar in Russia. The rail section is due to open next year. Surely a sign (if any were needed) that Ukraine won't be getting the place back anytime soon.

Gatling

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The road section of the Kerch Strait bridge opened last week linking the Crimean peninsula to Krasnodar in Russia. The rail section is due to open next year. Surely a sign (if any were needed) that Ukraine won't be getting the place back anytime soon.

A Couple of well placed IEDs would leave the bridge a dangerous crossing .
Sure people think Israel Will give back land not happening either

Gatling

Gatling wrote: »

A Couple of well placed IEDs would leave the bridge a dangerous crossing .
Sure people think Israel Will give back land not happening either

And who would be placing such IEDs?

If The Donald recognizes Israel's Golan Heights landgrab as rumoured it will rather undermine any honesty in American displeasure re Crimea wouldn't it?

el diablo

Gatling wrote: »

The Dutch criminal investigation to the Shooting Down of Flight MH17 over Ukraine have concluded it was shot down by russian forces of the 53rd Anti aircraft missle brigade based in the Russian city Kursk .who had traveled in Convoy from Kursk to Ukraine and back again .




http://news.sky.com/story/mh17-plane-was-brought-down-by-russian-military-missile-11383700

It appears to have been an extremely biased investigation. Guess we'll never find out what actually did happen that day...

Discodog

el diablo wrote: »

It appears to have been an extremely biased investigation. Guess we'll never find out what actually did happen that day...

Guess some will never accept the truth. Can you support your claim ?

Gatling

el diablo wrote: »

It appears to have been an extremely biased investigation. Guess we'll never find out what actually did happen that day...

We know exactly what happened on the day .

Russian forces entered Ukraine illegally and shot down flight MH17 over Ukraine killing all on board .

A highly sophisticated technical investigation proved this and so did the international criminal investigation