The Vladimir Putin appreciation thread.

Gatling · 28-04-2015 2:09pm

Peist2007 wrote: »

Gatling wrote: »

It a known and excepted fact

I'm guessing the word you intended on using is "accepted". Accepted by whom? Those stating it to be fact? Or by people like you who just watch, listen and consume unquestioningly?

It's what's putting bread on the table after all

Yawn yawn yawn .

Done to death on here and the politics forum unless you happen to have anything new or fresh to offer the discussions .
Other than some high fives to previous debunked conspiracy theories

Are you even interested in eastern European politics and imperialist Russian foreign policy

Peist2007 · 28-04-2015 2:17pm

Gatling wrote: »

Peist2007 wrote: »

Yawn yawn yawn .

Done to death on here and the politics forum unless you happen to have anything new or fresh to offer the discussions .
Other than some high fives to previous debunked conspiracy theories

Are you even interested in eastern European politics and imperialist Russian foreign policy

Ha no response. The usual.

No surprise at your yawns. You're in here on a daily basis saying the same things over and over. Go in and ask your supervisor for some holidays like a good lad.

WakeUp · 28-04-2015 2:19pm

Gatling wrote: »

Yawn yawn yawn .

Done to death on here and the politics forum unless you happen to have anything new or fresh to offer the discussions .
Other than some high fives to previous debunked conspiracy theories

the thread over on the politics forum is gona be a whooya high five place for the Russia is evil gang and quislings going forward I would posit. sure you can all agree with each other now, high five and pat each other on the backs from now on in with probably zero opposition. youve non-bias lets fabricate/shut down the otherside of the discussion Johnny to thank for that.you should thank him. suppose doing something like that was the only way to get me off the thread. something has been debunked alright. but you really shouldnt delude yourself about things being done to death over there. if by non-fact based nonsense falling apart when scrutinised opinionated jibber jabber if thats what you mean by "done to death" then yep Id agree. otherwise I wouldnt. say hello to gang over there for me;):D

Peist2007 · 28-04-2015 2:20pm

WakeUp wrote: »

see heres the thing about the - Ukraine is great they are just like us or wannabe europeans phuck yeah freedom, Russia is evil - quislings. they only see what they want to see. yeah the Russians annexed Crimea and yeah Putin is probably a d1khead infact Id say he is behind it all most leaders require that as a trait too some degree to even get that far. Putin is also responsible for war crimes in Chechnya but ya know the sun shines out of Poroshenko and his mates whole and whatever Ukraine says is true or whatever claims they state - accurate. because Russia is evil and only one side tells lies and bluffs in a conflict. and some want this lot in the EU for some bizzare odd strange reason. "new" Europeans. and its no coincidence thats its "new" Europe that are the most anti-Russian with their spiel and bile. you see Ukraines government want to be just like us in the west they are "westerners" according to them. they will bring nothing to the EU only problems. lots of problems why we want anything to do with them is beyond me. Ukraine is a pawn in a much bigger game and their politicians and people tasked with steering them on the right course are too thick too see it. but then again when they do things like this or come up with ideas like this what is to be expected.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/04/27/dear-ukraine-please-dont-shoot-yourself-in-the-foot-nationalists-russia-bandera-rada/?

actually European really free and unbiased lol I mean Christ only an individual with a cabbage or turnip for a brain ( or a Ukrainian politician ) could either come out with or believe that. just like us you see:rolleyes: and its only Putin whos an arsehole if his stasi files are to be believed he isnt a particularly nice individual the Putin lad. how many leaders are I wouldnt say many. though Ukraine and its leaders are wholesome and apparently can do no wrong. and whatever they state doesnt matter what it is - to some of the more ardent and enlightened quislings - is true. they shouldnt be anywhere near the EU all they will bring is problems. Ukraine is considering passing a law that will make criticism of groups involved in the holocaust against the law. wow. nobody is disputing what the Russians have done but the blind support and turning of a blind eye to elements of the Ukrainian government is just bizzare. frenzy like.

Mad how propoganda is swallowed whole. Even with all of the info freely available.

WakeUp · 28-04-2015 2:24pm

Peist2007 wrote: »

Mad how propoganda is swallowed whole. Even with all of the info freely available.

it certainly is mad. psychosis like even. it was on the teevee.

Gatling · 28-04-2015 2:26pm

I see a poll showing 44% of Ukrainians to want apply to join NATO.
And less than 16% want closer ties to Russia.

A Nation who want to join the EU which will likely happen within 5 years thanks to massive set of reforms across the board currently been administered

PopePalpatine · 28-04-2015 2:38pm

Gatling wrote: »

I see a poll showing 44% of Ukrainians to want apply to join NATO.
And less than 16% want closer ties to Russia.

A Nation who want to join the EU which will likely happen within 5 years thanks to massive set of reforms across the board currently been administered

B-b-but it's biased, and Russland über alles!

Peist2007 · 28-04-2015 2:38pm

Gatling wrote: »

I see a poll showing 44% of Ukrainians to want apply to join NATO.
And less than 16% want closer ties to Russia.

A Nation who want to join the EU which will likely happen within 5 years thanks to massive set of reforms across the board currently been administered

It would have been shocking if you'd produce a poll showing the opposite. It would be a sign that you were branching out from your usual trusted sources

Peist2007 · 28-04-2015 2:40pm

PopePalpatine wrote: »

B-b-but it's biased, and Russland über alles!

You're making the mistake of thinking that, by not believing the Ukrainians, one supports Russia. Helps with the schoolyard argument but adds zero to the actual debate.

I find people here thinking only one side of this conflict is producing propoganda is naive in the extreme.

WakeUp · 28-04-2015 2:54pm

Gatling wrote: »

I see a poll showing 44% of Ukrainians to want apply to join NATO.
And less than 16% want closer ties to Russia.

A Nation who want to join the EU which will likely happen within 5 years thanks to massive set of reforms across the board currently been administered

so what. it isnt up to them. and even if it was it still wouldnt happen. thankfully within the countries that matter within Europe, they arent staffed by peons and ignorant dummies. Ukraine will never be a member of Nato they arent wanted by the countries that matter and never will be. for obvious reasons. it would be better for Ukraine and all concerned if Nato stated this once and for all. giving Ukraine "hope" when there isnt and never will be any hope isnt helping them its only hurting them and clouding their "judgement" in shrouds of wanton fantasy. Once upon a time in a land far far away called Ukraine. musings.

Christoph Schult criticizes NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg for commenting on possible Ukrainian membership in NATO:

And herein lies the problem: Only a small minority — comprised primarily of the Baltic states and Poland — currently support Ukrainian accession to the alliance. All others adhere to the principle that each accession should not only be beneficial to the new member, but also to the community as a whole. It’s difficult to see at the moment how Ukraine might benefit NATO.

In that sense, there is only one right answer in response to Poroshenko’s musings. It’s the one formulated by German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier. “I see a partner relationship between Ukraine and NATO, but not membership,” the foreign minister told SPIEGEL ONLINE last week.

Or, to put it more simply, the question of Ukrainian membership isn’t even on the agenda.

Since the new government has changed Ukraine’s position on alliance membership once again, it is up to the alliance to dispel any illusions about the country’s prospects of joining. Merely stating the obvious–that most NATO members don’t want Ukraine in the alliance and Ukraine won’t be permitted to join–could help reduce tensions with Russia and could possibly make a political settlement between Ukraine and Russia easier to reach. Ukraine isn’t ever going to be part of NATO because it would be a huge liability for the alliance, and it is long past time for U.S. and alliance officials to make that clear.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/ukraine-and-nato-3/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ukraine-and-nato-3

Gatling · 28-04-2015 3:06pm

WakeUp wrote: »

so what. it isnt up to them. and even if it was it still wouldnt happen. thankfully within the countries that matter within Europe, they arent staffed by peons and ignorant dummies. Ukraine will never be a member of Nato they arent wanted by the countries that matter and never will be. for obvious reasons. it would be better for Ukraine and all concerned if Nato stated this once and for all. giving Ukraine "hope" when there isnt and never will be any hope isnt helping them its only hurting them and clouding their "judgement" in shrouds of wanton fantasy. Once upon a time in a land far far away called Ukraine. musings.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/ukraine-and-nato-3/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ukraine-and-nato-3

According to a conservative blog .

But then again wouldn't be the first time people have been wrong now would it .

Even when Putin himself publicly stated what happened was nothing to do with a right wing ,CIA,Space aliens conspiracy theory.

Yep people get things wrong all the time.

Seems something happend in Finnish costal waters this afternoon with the Finnish navy deploying depth charges against a suspected foreign submarine.
I wonder what navy has submarines in another country's sovereign waters

PopePalpatine · 28-04-2015 3:36pm

Now this is interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m15M4VimuM

To summarise:
This video starts with an anti-Kremlin musician named "Noize MC" is facing increasing difficulty in his music career, and claims that this is due to his opposition to the Kremlin. Then it moves onto detailing a pro-Putin youth movement called "Project Network", which portrays him as a role model for males - one leader of the group says, "in certain situations in life, act as Putin would act" and then goes onto lament how there aren't "such famous and authoritative people in music, film production, art or poetry". This leader goes onto say they want to encourage "conservative values" based on Russian Orthodox Christianity.

Gatling · 28-04-2015 3:40pm

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Now this is interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m15M4VimuM

To summarise:
This video starts with an anti-Kremlin musician named "Noize MC" is facing increasing difficulty in his music career, and claims that this is due to his opposition to the Kremlin. Then it moves onto detailing a pro-Putin youth movement called "Project Network", which portrays him as a role model for males - one leader of the group says, "in certain situations in life, act as Putin would act" and then goes onto lament how there aren't "such famous and authoritative people in music, film production, art or poetry". This leader goes onto say they want to encourage "conservative values" based on Russian Orthodox Christianity.

You're going to enjoy this Russia Gaffe

Taken from the BBC news website
A Russian mayor has apologised after a billboard celebrating the Soviet victory in World War Two appeared on the streets of his town - adorned with a picture of a Nazi air force crew.
The signs appeared around the town of Ivanteyevka, just outside Moscow, ahead of Russia's Victory Day anniversary on 9 May. But it didn't take long for someone to notice that the troops featured weren't Soviet airmen, but a Luftwaffe bomber crew. The town's mayor, Sergei Gridnev says local people, war veterans and the whole of Russia can rest assured that he'll punish those responsible for the "appalling incident", the state news agency Tass reports. The local branch of the pro-Putin All-Russia People's Front says it spotted the billboard and demanded its removal, and 12 hours after it went up the offending image came right back down again.
The local news portal Ivanteyevka Today has since owned up to the gaffe. It commissioned 20 banners to mark the 70th anniversary of the end of the war, but confessed to "negligence" in choosing the photo, which was rather unfortunately emblazoned with the words: "They fought for the Motherland". The site does point out that the photo dates from 1940, a year before Germany attacked the Soviet Union, although this hasn't won it much sympathy among MPs and officials.

Can't even get there propaganda correct these days

Peist2007 · 28-04-2015 3:42pm

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Now this is interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m15M4VimuM

To summarise:
This video starts with an anti-Kremlin musician named "Noize MC" is facing increasing difficulty in his music career, and claims that this is due to his opposition to the Kremlin. Then it moves onto detailing a pro-Putin youth movement called "Project Network", which portrays him as a role model for males - one leader of the group says, "in certain situations in life, act as Putin would act" and then goes onto lament how there aren't "such famous and authoritative people in music, film production, art or poetry". This leader goes onto say they want to encourage "conservative values" based on Russian Orthodox Christianity.

You should read the book "Flat Earth News" - cannot remember who by off the top of my head. Vice News is now part of the Rupert Murdoch empire. More propoganda.

Gatling · 28-04-2015 3:47pm

Peist2007 wrote: »

You should read the book "Flat Earth News" - cannot remember who by off the top of my head. Vice News is now part of the Rupert Murdoch empire. More propoganda.

Much like the Kremlin daily regularly used as a counter to anything western

TerrorFirmer · 28-04-2015 3:49pm

Peist2007 wrote: »

Vice News is now part of the Rupert Murdoch empire. More propoganda.

More groundless and absurd deflection of news sources.

Rupert Murdoch has a 5% stake in Vice News.

His company invested 70 million, the company is worth 2.5 billion.

Clearly the puppet master. :rolleyes:

Please outline in a clear manner how exactly Vice News is 'part of the Rupert Murdoch empire'.

robindch · 28-04-2015 4:46pm

Why do the countries I’ve threatened to invade not like me, asks Putin

http://newsthump.com/2015/04/28/why-do-the-countries-ive-threatened-to-invade-not-like-me-asks-putin/

NewsThump wrote:

Russian President Vladimir Putin has today expressed unhappiness and confusion that countries he’s threatened aren’t being friendlier. As Finland and Sweden consider joining NATO, Russia has confirmed that those submarines they’ve been finding in their territorial waters are meant in the nicest possible way.

Meanwhile the Ukraine has confirmed interest in joining the EU, despite Russia’s best efforts to cosy up by sending thousands of fun-loving soldiers on a diplomatic fact-finding mission to the region. The soldiers were sent with big greetings cards, depicting the Russian bear in pastels and holding a heart-shaped balloon.

Polish plans to bolster defenses on the Russian border in response were described as “Hurtful and rude”. “The President is really very upset by their unfriendly reaction”, said a spokesman for the Duma. “We think they’re being tremendously insensitive to all the work and effort we’ve put in.”

“If we had a history of suddenly invading our neighbours and starving them to death you could understand it, but this really isn’t on." "That was those other guys,” he added.

In response to the hostile reaction, Russia has announced it will move nuclear bombers to the Ukrainian border and send them on regular goodwill flights over other NATO countries to make sure everyone knows they’re only interested in peaceful and friendly relations.

Peist2007 · 28-04-2015 5:11pm

Gatling wrote: »

Much like the Kremlin daily regularly used as a counter to anything western

Exactly. Well done you. Both sides are employing the exact same tactics. So why trust one above the other?

Peist2007 · 28-04-2015 5:13pm

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

More groundless and absurd deflection of news sources.

Rupert Murdoch has a 5% stake in Vice News.

His company invested 70 million, the company is worth 2.5 billion.

Clearly the puppet master. :rolleyes:

Please outline in a clear manner how exactly Vice News is 'part of the Rupert Murdoch empire'.

Vice News is now part of the Murdoch empire. Hardly groundless and absurd given you confirm same above. The most pertinent point being Vice News can no longer be viewed as impartial.

And what is this about "more groundless deflection of news sources"? - can you point to where i have done this before? Or is it all about sides now? You casted doubt on western side of the story so you are clearly a Russian shill. Etc etc.

Gatling · 28-04-2015 6:02pm

Peist2007 wrote: »

Exactly. Well done you. Both sides are employing the exact same tactics. So why trust one above the other?

Not really no .

One side uses conspiracy theories and a helping of neo nazi's out to commit genocide against the minority Russian population ,CIA driven coup repeat repeat and repeat .
While constantly slagging off the Ukrainian population .
And when challenged throw a tantrum

Irish Praetorian · 28-04-2015 6:22pm

Peist2007 wrote: »

Vice News is now part of the Murdoch empire. Hardly groundless and absurd given you confirm same above. The most pertinent point being Vice News can no longer be viewed as impartial.

And what is this about "more groundless deflection of news sources"? - can you point to where i have done this before? Or is it all about sides now? You casted doubt on western side of the story so you are clearly a Russian shill. Etc etc.

And pray tell, what news source would be sufficiently impartial for you? I'm interested to know. Presumably no decadent Western lie machines like the BBC?

TerrorFirmer · 28-04-2015 6:47pm

Peist2007 wrote: »

Vice News is now part of the Murdoch empire. Hardly groundless and absurd given you confirm same above. The most pertinent point being Vice News can no longer be viewed as impartial.

And what is this about "more groundless deflection of news sources"? - can you point to where i have done this before? Or is it all about sides now? You casted doubt on western side of the story so you are clearly a Russian shill. Etc etc.

So what you're saying is that someone with a 5% stake in Vice News is pulling all the strings? That is what you're saying?

InTheTrees · 28-04-2015 11:06pm

Peist2007 wrote: »

Exactly. Well done you. Both sides are employing the exact same tactics. So why trust one above the other?

Because Putin controls Russian media.

InTheTrees · 28-04-2015 11:10pm

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

So what you're saying is that someone with a 5% stake in Vice News is pulling all the strings? That is what you're saying?

They would like us to believe the false equivalence that putins control of the media in Russia is the same as the west tolerating the existance of fox news.

Sad to see Russia fall under the control of these people.

InTheTrees · 28-04-2015 11:19pm

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

And pray tell, what news source would be sufficiently impartial for you? I'm interested to know. Presumably no decadent Western lie machines like the BBC?

Good luck waiting for an answer to that one.

Endless babble about how were all being lied to and only putins media outlets tell The Truth. Eugh. George Orwell wouldn't have believed it.

InTheTrees · 28-04-2015 11:28pm

FloatingVoter wrote: »

Best leader they've had since Joe Stalin. A brand I trust. Appointed by a drunk. A thief supreme. A murderer of journalists.
Little known fact: he actually body doubles for rats in several b-list horror movies.

He does look like a rat. Or a weasel. Its the eyes that are too close together.

Elmer Blooker · 29-04-2015 9:43am

InTheTrees wrote: »

Because Putin controls Russian media.

Right ...... and the media is free and impartial in the morally superior west?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBmLmL34XlA

Gatling · 29-04-2015 9:44am

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Right ...... and the media is free and impartial in the morally superior west?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBmLmL34XlA

From RT really

Funny though iIsrael and the palastinian are regularly reported in and discussed on the BBC rules out the supposed point

InTheTrees · 29-04-2015 9:48am

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Right ...... and the media is free and impartial in the morally superior west?
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Except in the west we're not all watching BBC. Or fox.

While Russians have no choice but to put up with putins state censorship.

So its really not the same is it?

Elmer Blooker · 29-04-2015 10:33am

A quote from John Pilger probably now best described as an ex-journalist as he's effectively blacklisted by the corporate media.

The most effective propaganda is found not in the Sun or on Fox News - but beneath a liberal halo. When the New York Times published claims that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, its fake evidence was believed, because it wasn't Fox News; it was the New York Times.

The same is true of the Washington Post and the Guardian, both of which have played a critical role in conditioning their readers to accept a new and dangerous cold war. All three liberal newspapers have misrepresented events in Ukraine as a malign act by Russia - when, in fact, the fascist led coup in Ukraine was the work of the United States, aided by Germany and Nato.

The Vladimir Putin appreciation thread.

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