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The Vladimir Putin appreciation thread.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien


    Egginacup wrote: »
    What's the matter, lads?

    Can't find that BUK? Can't find a single Russian tank in East Ukraine? Can't find a single Russian military plane that has violated Ukrainian airspace? Can't even find a single civilian who can corroborate anything?

    Can't find a single Russian corpse? Not a single Russian soldier captured? Not a single image of convoys of Russian supplies needed to support the thousands of Russian troops?
    Not even a photo of a Russian supply plane, scores of which would be needed to supply 1000s of Russian soldiers.
    Not a single photograph from locals of a tank, a soldier, a helicopter, a fighter plane, nothing.

    :pac:

    4 days ago.

    http://www.euronews.com/2015/05/23/captured-russian-soldiers-charged-with-terrorism-in-ukraine/


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Irish Praetorian


    Egginacup wrote: »
    What's the matter, lads?

    Can't find that BUK? Can't find a single Russian tank in East Ukraine? Can't find a single Russian military plane that has violated Ukrainian airspace? Can't even find a single civilian who can corroborate anything?

    Can't find a single Russian corpse? Not a single Russian soldier captured? Not a single image of convoys of Russian supplies needed to support the thousands of Russian troops?
    Not even a photo of a Russian supply plane, scores of which would be needed to supply 1000s of Russian soldiers.
    Not a single photograph from locals of a tank, a soldier, a helicopter, a fighter plane, nothing.

    :pac:

    Plenty of evidence, just all apparently part of an ornately concocted conspiracy theory consisting of the worlds media, several international organizations, a few dozen countries, and a few billion people who are all being 'duped' and not seeing the 'real truth' which is thankfully available exclusively from Russian owned media groups and the Alex Jones crowd.


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup



    "Captured 4 days ago" and they were "reconnaissance soldiers"?

    So in other words Russian Special Forces soldiers just admitted that they worked for "the man"!

    Have you ever heard of a soldier on recon missions just fess up the second he was lifted?

    The stories are getting even more laughable.

    Actually most Ukrainians are beginning to feel the pinch and are giving a toss about fake claims of a Russian invasion:

    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/05/25/ukra-m25.html

    Captured Russian soldiers. Mobile morgues.

    And still not so much as a photograph.
    Maybe poltergeists.

    :pac:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Egginacup wrote: »
    "Captured 4 days ago" and they were "reconnaissance soldiers"?

    So in other words Russian Special Forces soldiers just admitted that they worked for "the man"!

    Have you ever heard of a soldier on recon missions just fess up the second he was lifted?

    The stories are getting even more laughable.

    Actually most Ukrainians are beginning to feel the pinch and are giving a toss about fake claims of a Russian invasion:

    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/05/25/ukra-m25.html

    Captured Russian soldiers. Mobile morgues.

    And still not so much as a photograph.
    Maybe poltergeists.

    :pac:


    I got as far as "by the NATO-backed regime in Kiev ", saw links to articles such as 'New York Times lies, falsifies history to promote neo-fascist Kiev regime', realised I was in the World Socialist Web Site, published by
    International Committee of the Fourth International (ICFI) and got the hell out of there.
    Had to have another shower after it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,130 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    Egginacup wrote: »
    Last night I watched a rather decent movie on ITV.

    "Apollo 13" with 3 fine actors, Kevin Bacon, Tom Hanks and Bill Paxton.
    Ed Harris was in there too.

    I digress. This movie was a very convincing recreation of the almost fatal lunar excursion of the aforementioned Apollo 13.

    This voyage was embarked upon in 1970. That's 45 years ago.
    Communications were available between Houston and this capsule as it was almost a quarter of a million miles from Earth.
    That was 45 years ago.

    Since then one can, from space, take a photo of anything. But STILL not a single image of a Russian tank or a Russian corpse or a Russian bunch of undertakers dashing in to grab the bodies that were slaughtered by Kiev and then nipping back across the border to hide the evidence.

    :pac:
    You've have it all wrong Egg, there's no need for undertakers anymore, what about those mobile crematoriums? :pac:
    There is evidence (reportedly) that Putin himself is driving one of these mobile crematoriums!
    'New York Times lies,
    Never, the NYT lying?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭Un Croissant


    "Have you any evidence?"

    *Gets provided with evidence*

    "Ignore that stuff. Have you any other evidence, preferably from Russia?"

    Heh heh. I knew it was coming as I was scrolling down.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Egginacup wrote: »
    Can't find a single Russian corpse? Not a single Russian soldier captured?
    Well that's embarrassing... :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    You forgot to point to how terrible America is!

    America are quite terrible. Maybe not as terrible as Russia, but terrible. And powerful.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    fr336 wrote: »
    America are quite terrible. Maybe not as terrible as Russia, but terrible. And powerful.

    And I happily criticise American foreign policy etc on a regular basis.... I was just pointing to how Egginacup redirects to the unrelated when Russia falls under criticism.


  • Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭loughside


    and now from the Moscow Times no less...

    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/putin-classifying-troop-losses-proves-theyre-in-ukraine--analysts/522577.html

    Putin Classifying Troop Losses Proves They're in Ukraine – Analysts

    Legal amendments introduced Thursday that classify as state secrets any losses sustained during peacetime special operations are further confirmation of Russia's direct involvement in the Ukraine conflict, legal and military experts told The Moscow Times.
    The amendments, signed by President Vladimir Putin, make "information disclosing the loss of personnel … during special operations in peacetime" a classified state secret.
    Putin has repeatedly denied any involvement of Russian troops in the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine. Asked to explain Putin's move Thursday, his spokesman Dmitry Peskov had no immediate comment, Reuters reported.
    Military servicemen who are killed, injured or go missing can be considered military losses, meaning their relatives will be forced to keep information about their deaths a secret, lawyers said Thursday.
    "Even a death notification sent to parents or other relatives [of a soldier] can be considered a secret under this decree," Ivan Pavlov, a leading lawyer in the field of government transparency who has successfully defended treason suspects, told The Moscow Times.
    The federal list of what constitutes a state secret can be accessed publicly, but government agencies also compile their own lists that are themselves usually classified. Moreover, what the Defense Ministry classifies as a secret could be considered open information by the Interior Ministry, Pavlov said.
    "If a citizen, for instance a journalist, obtains information that is considered a state secret, they face prison. The problem is that they might not even know it was a state secret," said Pavlov, who successfully defended Alexander Nikitin, a former nuclear inspector who was accused in the 1990s of espionage for raising the alarm about the dangers posed by decaying nuclear submarines.
    Truth and Consequences

    Since the conflict in eastern Ukraine broke out following a popular uprising that toppled the former pro-Russian president Viktor Yanukovych last year, many journalists have investigated reports of Russian troops fighting — and dying — there. The Kremlin denies there are Russian soldiers fighting on the side of pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine.
    Last August the Pskovskaya Guberniya newspaper published a series of articles alleging that secret funerals had been held for paratroopers from a local regiment believed to have been killed fighting in Ukraine. One of the newspaper's main writers, Lev Shlosberg, was severely beaten by three unidentified men shortly afterwards.
    Leading Russian opposition politician Boris Nemtsov was also working on a report about alleged Russian troop losses in Ukraine at the time of his murder in central Moscow in February.
    Other journalists and human rights groups have attempted to find proof that the Russian army is directly involved in helping pro-Russian insurgents in Ukraine.
    The St. Petersburg branch of the Soldiers' Mothers Committee — an organization that campaigns to defend the rights of soldiers and their families — sent around 30 requests for information to military units that soldiers' families and media reports have identified as suffering losses in 2014.
    Only one unit responded in full, according to the NGO's spokesman Alexander Peredruk.
    "The main consequence of this law is that it will basically be impossible to obtain information," Peredruk said in a phone interview with The Moscow Times.
    "We won't know what the statistics are, but the truth is, we didn't know before either," he said.
    After Russia's five-day war with Georgia in South Ossetia, which was referred to as a special operation, the General Staff announced that it had lost 74 servicemen there.
    According to Alexander Khramchikhin, deputy director of the Institute for Political and Military Analysis think tank, there is no internationally accepted norm for classifying special military operations.
    "Each country handles these questions its own way; for many this is not an issue. In the United States, such operations are completely classified," he told The Moscow Times in a phone interview.
    Ordinary Victims

    The key point of the legal amendments is that ordinary people will suffer as a result of them, said Grigory Pasko, a military journalist and director of the Moscow-based Foundation for Investigative Journalism.
    "The main victims of this decree are parents and relatives and also soldiers themselves who have gone missing or were killed in combat," he said.
    A former officer of the Russian Navy, Pasko served a prison term for espionage in connection with research he did for a report on environmental issues in the Sea of Japan.
    Pasko said the Russian state already has all the necessary means to protect its secrets. The high treason article of the Russian Criminal Code says that in addition to espionage and disclosure of state secrets, "any other assistance rendered to a foreign state, a foreign organization or their representatives in hostile activities to the detriment of the external security of the Russian Federation" shall be punishable by up to 20 years in prison.
    Svetlana Davydova, a mother of seven, was detained in January on suspicion of high treason over a phone call she made to the Ukrainian Embassy in which she warned that Russian troops might have been deployed to eastern Ukraine. She was released and the charges dropped in February.


  • Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭loughside


    ..and there`s more,

    Killed in Action in Ukraine: Putin’s Secret Funerals

    By Melinda Haring 5/28/15 at 12:14 PM
    0528russiantroops.jpg?itok=5k4qFGso
    Russian troops were ordered to take identifying features off their uniforms and equipment and cross into Ukraine.



    Sergeant Leonid Kichatkin of the Russian 76th Airborne Division and Russian soldier Anton Tumanov died in August 2014 while fighting in eastern Ukraine. Their deaths amply demonstrate that Russian President Vladimir Putin's claim that there are no Russian troops in Ukraine is false.


    Russia is sending soldiers across the border to reinforce Russian-backed separatist forces in Ukraine. Once in eastern Ukraine, these soldiers are no longer considered Russian; they are told to refer to themselves as local defense forces, aiding the separatists with additional manpower and equipment.
    Russian authorities went to great lengths to cover up Kichatkin's death.


    Kichatkin lived with his wife, Oksana, and children in Pskov, Russia, where he was stationed. In late July 2014, Ukraine was close to defeating the separatist forces as it retook territory, but the separatists were suddenly reinvigorated. Kichatkin's unit was ordered into Ukraine, and it quickly stopped the Ukrainian counteroffensive.



    Between August 15 and 17, 2014, dozens of 76th Airborne soldiers stopped contacting their loved ones. That was around the time of a number of mysterious events surrounding this division, including reports of a fierce battle involving the paratroopers near the Ukrainian town of Georgievka and Putin commending them for the "successful completion of military missions."

    Kichatkin's wife announced his death on his VKontakte page on August 22, 2014. Despite the official claim that all of the Pskov paratroopers were alive, secret funerals were held for them starting two days later. Kichatkin's took place on August 25.

    A number of journalists and a member of the Pskov regional assembly attended the funeral, where more than one hundred mourners paid their respects. According to his headstone, Kichatkin died on August 19.

    From here the story gets complicated. Reporters from Novaya Gazeta spoke with Oksana Kichatkina and a man claiming to be Kichatkin on August 24. Oksana claimed that her husband was alive and even passed the phone to the man who said that his VKontakte page had been "hacked." Echo of Moscow had a similar conversation.

    Since Kichatkin's funeral, which his father and uncle attended, there have been no indications that he's alive. On August 26, reporters from independent news outlets visited Kichatkin's grave and were chased away by a group of young men, who also threw rocks at them and slashed their tires. Kichatkin's grave can still be found in Pskov, but following the journalists' inquiries the nameplate was removed.

    Like Kichatkin, Tumanov died while fighting in eastern Ukraine, under direct orders of his commanders in the Russian military. He was killed on August 13, 2014, in Snezhnoe, Ukraine, after crossing the border two days earlier.
    Before he joined the Russian military, 20-year-old Tumanov frequently voiced his concerns about the poor economy in his hometown of Kozmodemyansk, some 400 miles east of Moscow.
    He saw no alternative to joining the army, knowing that he would likely be sent to eastern Ukraine. Tumanov was a member of the Russian 18th Motorized Brigade, Unit 27777.

    On August 11, 2014, at a training camp near the border, Tumanov's commanders ordered him and his unit to turn in their phones, take identifying features off their uniforms, mask the unique markers on military equipment and cross into Ukraine. He entered Ukraine with more than a thousand others and a large column of military equipment.
    Tumanov documented his unit's presence in Snezhnoe, Ukraine, on August 13—the same place where, 27 days earlier, the Buk missile system that downed Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 was spotted hours before the crash.


    Numerous eyewitnesses from August 13 report seeing a convoy moving through Snezhnoe, specifically noting a BTR-80 armored personnel carrier and men with white bands on their arms and legs. Tumanov and his fellow soldiers were photographed with white bands and a BTR-80a in Snezhnoe.
    Hours after the photograph was taken, social media reports and videos described how the Khimmash factory was hit by an artillery strike from the Ukrainian military.
    Tumanov was killed in the strike. Rolan Romazanov, a soldier from Unit 27777 who survived the attack, told Reuters, "[Anton Tumanov] died on the operating table."
    Tumanov is buried in Kozmodemyansk, Russia. According to the official documentation of his death, Tumanov died "carrying out responsibilities of military service at a point of temporary deployment."

    His mother, Yelena Tumanova, told The Telegraph that she doesn't understand what her son died for. "Why couldn't we let people in Ukraine sort things out for themselves? And seeing as our powers sent Anton there, why can't they admit it and tell us exactly what happened to him."
    Tumanov's story, like many others, ends there: unresolved questions over the circumstances of his death, a grieving family and a homeward journey from eastern Ukraine in a coffin.


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    If you are so certain that Russia has invaded eastern Ukraine and have so much proof then why do you rely so heavily on fakery? Why would you release photos and footage that you know is fake? Answer that very simple question.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Egginacup wrote: »
    If you are so certain that Russia has invaded eastern Ukraine and have so much proof then why do you rely so heavily on fakery? Why would you release photos and footage that you know is fake? Answer that very simple question.

    Presumably people don't think it fake.

    Your extreme transferred patriotism is a strange pathology.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Egginacup wrote: »
    If you are so certain that Russia has invaded eastern Ukraine and have so much proof then why do you rely so heavily on fakery? Why would you release photos and footage that you know is fake? Answer that very simple question.

    I assume people in Russia reporting trains packed with what appears to be APC and unmarked tanks are from where now ? Oh right they are unmarked the best form of cloaking technology.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32913929
    Russian President Vladimir Putin has signed a decree to make losses of Russian troops in peacetime a secret.
    The amendment bans information about the deaths of Russian forces "during special operations" in peacetime.

    So the troops that Putin has been sending into Ukraine become un-persons when they are killed, a very chilling tactic reminiscent of the Soviet era.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32913929



    So the troops that Putin has been sending into Ukraine become un-persons when they are killed, a very chilling tactic reminiscent of the Soviet era.

    And very disrespectful to the loss to Russian Family's.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Egginacup wrote: »
    If you are so certain that Russia has invaded eastern Ukraine and have so much proof then why do you rely so heavily on fakery? Why would you release photos and footage that you know is fake? Answer that very simple question.

    I find it ironic and quite amusing that you of all people would lambast others about answering simple questions when you have repeatedly dodged simple questions from me, to whit
    Does Russia do ANYTHING wrong in your world Eggy?
    Tell us something Eggy, did the USSR invade Poland and Finland in 1939 and Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia in 1940?

    So before making demands of others, answer those relatively simple questions.


  • Registered Users Posts: 266 ✭✭Irelandcool


    They say chuck norris tears cure cancer, to bad he never cries EXCEPT FOR
    Vladimir Putin.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    They say chuck norris tears cure cancer, to bad he never cries EXCEPT FOR
    Vladimir Putin.

    Then you must know what's under his beard.


  • Registered Users Posts: 266 ✭✭Irelandcool


    Then you must know what's under his beard.

    Another fist? Putin has fists underneath his armpits.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Putin voices support for Sepp Blatter http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32925637

    I suppose he feels some sympathy for a crooked tyrant.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Putin voices support for Sepp Blatter http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32925637

    I suppose he feels some sympathy for a crooked tyrant.

    Don't you mean the EU and the USA picking on a legitimate business man. Asia and Africa think he is fine also South America I think. :pac::pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Putin voices support for Sepp Blatter http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32925637

    I suppose he feels some sympathy for a crooked tyrant.

    Amazing. You cant make his stuff up.

    :eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Don't you mean the EU and the USA picking on a legitimate business man. Asia and Africa think he is fine also South America I think. :pac::pac:

    We're not too sure abut what the south americans think because most of their CONCACAF delegation are now in Swiss jails.

    :eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,130 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Amazing. You cant make his stuff up.

    :eek:
    I agree with you for once - The USA wanting to stamp out bribery and corruption! :pac:

    Theres an old story about a US President who said about a corrupt Latin American dictator:
    "....... he may be a sonofabitch but he's OUR sonofabitch..."
    It seems that those arrested are not "ours"


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,059 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Don't you mean the EU and the USA picking on a legitimate business man. Asia and Africa think he is fine also South America I think. :pac::pac:

    Legitimate? I think you just drew a rather accurate map of the most corrupt regions on Earth.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,130 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    Egginacup wrote: »
    If you are so certain that Russia has invaded eastern Ukraine and have so much proof then why do you rely so heavily on fakery? Why would you release photos and footage that you know is fake? Answer that very simple question.
    How can you possibly say Eliot Bellingcat Higgins is fake?
    Legitimate? I think you just drew a rather accurate map of the most corrupt regions on Earth.
    An unbelievably naive and arrogant post!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭loughside


    Revealing interview with captured russian soldiers receiving treatment in a Kiev hospital (by Paul Kanygin, correspondent of the Russian Novaya Gazeta)

    http://www.novayagazeta.ru/society/68593.html
    (run it through a translator russian to english).

    Used and left abandoned by Putin, now he cuts off contact to their families.
    What a vile disgusting creature, makes hitler look like a sunday-school teacher in comparison.


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