The Vladimir Putin appreciation thread.

fran17

B_Wayne wrote: »

Members of the group attributed weapons to mother Russia. Is your news resource RT? Generally not conspiratorial so inclined to say your news resources are suspect! What do you think of Russia's propaganda law Fran?

I'm not well informed on that law but,as with any law,its a matter for the state Duma and the people of Russia.

Compu Global Hyper Meganet

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

And then on the opposing side we have Obama, the Goldman Sachs presidential appointee, protector of Bankers and such unpunished criminals. The man who forgot to close Guantanamo. A global agressor. Murderer of farmers and wedding parties, of mothers & kids travelling to school. Obama the drone strike killer has it all covered. But hey, it's all good, because it saves putting boots on the ground. Heck, if he's not authorising the death of anyone he deems to be an enemy. Then his spy agencies will hack and spy on their own allies. Good guy Obama probably even bought Angela a new phone for Christmas, jusy to make up for his sins.

Presider over an out of control police state, were you can get shot dead for holding a broom in your hand. Where cops will choke you to death on the street, if they erroneously suspect you're selling cigarettes. Obama, the man who'll ignore democratic elections and turn a blind eye to a military coup d'etat in Egypt. Why? Because it's good for business. The man who did nothing, as hundreds of children were murdered last summer by Bibi's war dogs in Gaza. And all by nice shiny hi-tech US military equipment.

Obama, the man who once critised Bush for bypassing Congress, yet he has bypassed Congress on an unprecedented level for a sitting US president. In a nation where high powered, corporate financed super pacs, determines who really rules. Obama is nothing more that a hypocrite contained within an enigma, all wrapped up by a paradox. So if someone asked me, who do I trust less and fear more, Putin or Obama? It's Obama for me and it's not even close.

Wish I could thank this post more than once for pointing out the hypocrisy of the West. However Putin is evil; of that there is no doubt. It's just that Obama is too. They both remove civil liberties from their people and subjugate them. It's just that the USA is a bit better at creating the illusion of freedom. People in this thread have mentioned political assassinations with regard to Russia; the FBI and CIA have never had any qualms about making people/evidence disappear when it's for the "greater good".

But hey, Obama is a Nobel peace prize recipient! Great guy!

Donkey Oaty

Vlad Dog Putin wrote: »

NATO have innocent like child people in USA and the EU believe it is Mother Russia that moves west towards NATO.

Vlad Dog Putin wrote: »

Yes the west put in prison no key anyman who Muslim who no like war in Muslim land.
GITMO have bad guys and innocent farmers, farmers never see home again, USA make mistake and now hope world forget the innocent afghan farmers in GITMO.

Some definite articles creeping in there - get back in character, Tonto!

Vlad Dog Putin

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Some definite articles creeping in there - get back in character, Tonto!

I learn english by watch western porn, good no?

Shurimgreat

Compu Global Hyper Meganet wrote: »

Wish I could thank this post more than once for pointing out the hypocrisy of the West. However Putin is evil; of that there is no doubt. It's just that Obama is too. They both remove civil liberties from their people and subjugate them. It's just that the USA is a bit better at creating the illusion of freedom. People in this thread have mentioned political assassinations with regard to Russia; the FBI and CIA have never had any qualms about making people/evidence disappear when it's for the "greater good".

But hey, Obama is a Nobel peace prize recipient! Great guy!

Putin is evil, but Obama is worse. Yes we get it. A number of posters have made a number of similiar points.

Putin invades Ukraine but lets ignore that and look at what others do.

Very subtle, I like it

Vlad Dog Putin

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Putin is evil, but Obama is worse. Yes we get it. A number of posters have made a number of similiar points.

Putin invades Ukraine but lets ignore that and look at what others do.

Very subtle, I like it

No Putin put Russia first.
Obama put USA first.
The EU is USA bitch.

Compu Global Hyper Meganet

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Putin is evil, but Obama is worse. Yes we get it. A number of posters have made a number of similiar points.

Putin invades Ukraine but lets ignore that and look at what others do.

Very subtle, I like it

I'm only pointing it out because the Western media tends to be very selective in this case. Putin is (correctly) labeled a tyrant and painted as such by our media. However, Obama is generally judged on "economic policies" and so forth, in spite of the fact that his regime is at least as despotic. There should be balance.

Shurimgreat

Compu Global Hyper Meganet wrote: »

I'm only pointing it out because the Western media tends to be very selective in this case. Putin is (correctly) labeled a tyrant and painted as such by our media. However, Obama is generally judged on "economic policies" and so forth, in spite of the fact that his regime is at least as despotic. There should be balance.

Its not as least as despotic. You and your pal who you replied to have a bit of a tag team going on there eh? vlad dog putin seems to be on the act too. To be honest I'm not sure how many kremlin bots there are on here or if its just the one bot with several accounts as normally happens elsewhere.

Shurimgreat

Seems the guardian also suffering the same problem.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/04/pro-russia-trolls-ukraine-guardian-online

Compu Global Hyper Meganet

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Its not as least as despotic. You and your pal who you replied to have a bit of a tag team going on there eh? vlad dog putin seems to be on the act too. To be honest I'm not sure how many kremlin bots there are on here or if its just the one bot with several accounts as normally happens elsewhere.

I'm just saying that people need to take the Hollywood gloss off media reports and judge dispassionately. The nut jobs in North Korea are spying on their citizens. Everyone thinks they are crazed lunatics. The "cerebral" leaders in Washington are monitoring the online activity of every single citizen in their country and beyond (and stomping on the concept of civil liberties in the process) and nobody jumps to that conclusion. I have already stated multiple times that Putin is a tyrant. If you want to judge that in isolation, that's fine. But since the US is invariably brought into the mix in such discussions, I feel that a bit of level handedness is necessary when making comparisons.

Shurimgreat

Compu Global Hyper Meganet wrote: »

I'm just saying that people need to take the Hollywood gloss off media reports and judge dispassionately. The nut jobs in North Korea are spying on their citizens. Everyone thinks they are crazed lunatics. The "cerebral" leaders in Washington are monitoring the online activity of every single citizen in their country and beyond (and stomping on the concept of civil liberties in the process) and nobody jumps to that conclusion. I have already stated multiple times that Putin is a tyrant. If you want to judge that in isolation, that's fine. But since the US is invariably brought into the mix in such discussions, I feel that a bit of level handedness is necessary when making comparisons.

Your posts follow a similiar patter - ie Putin is a tyrant but the US is worse, much worse.

Try making a point without mentioning the US or Obama. Let's see you try, as I'm sure you'll fail.

Shurimgreat

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Some definite articles creeping in there - get back in character, Tonto!

The mask is slipping alright.

floggg

fran17 wrote: »

I'm not well informed on that law but,as with any law,its a matter for the state Duma and the people of Russia.

Lol

Maximus Alexander

schnappsbolt wrote: »

What's the EU's military strength like?

Combined EU's is stronger than Russia's on paper if that's what you're asking.

Compu Global Hyper Meganet

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Your posts follow a similiar patter - ie Putin is a tyrant but the US is worse, much worse.

Try making a point without mentioning the US or Obama. Let's see you try, as I'm sure you'll fail.

Very sorry. It seems that I've committed a few acts of sacrilege in this thread.

Vladimir Putin is a bad man who spearheads an evil regime. As I've already said multiple times.

My profuse apologies once again for daring to play devils advocate.

cnocbui

fran17 wrote: »

Where are you getting your evidence for these accusations?And the news conference ramblings from that cardboard pc moron John Kerry don't count;)

You are obviously not aware that Ukraine is connected to the Internet - yes, i know it's shocking, but still true nonetheless. There also seem to be quite a few Ukrainians who possess cameras and who have been using them to take photos and videos of all the Russian troops and Russian hardware passing by or parked outside their bedroom windows. You can see some of their snaps here:
http://liveuamap.com/undefined?ll=51.52035;-0.08703&zoom=10

The BUK launcher that shot down the MH17 was actually filmed and photographed on numerous occasions, and these photos and videos have made their way onto the internet. Some resourceful people have been busy studying all these and have made a pretty good case for being able to track and account for the launchers movements: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2015/01/17/new-images-of-the-mh17-buk-missile-launcher-in-ukraine-and-russia/

If you can be bothered to follow that link and the subsequent links on that page, you will find sources like Paris Match and Der Spiegel. I don't think Kerry is mentioned.

Then we have a BBC crew which reported that the crew of the BUK launcher spoke Russian with accents which suggested they were native Russians. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29109398

So you have very good evidence for a BUK launcher, crossing the border from Russsia into Ukraine, under the control of native Russian troops which then very likely shot down MH17 and then very rapidly was moved back across the border into Russia. You don't need any American sources or evidence to reach such a reasonable conclusion.

If you want to peruse that first link I gave and click on the clock and try numerous different dates, you find a lot of photographic evidence showing Russian equipment in Ukraine with photos of Russian troops, their identity papers, etc, etc.

Cienciano

He does look menacing though. Even in a childs bedroom

http://i.imgur.com/dM2Th9L.jpg

Maximus Alexander

Cienciano wrote: »

He does look menacing though. Even in a childs bedroom

http://i.imgur.com/dM2Th9L.jpg

Jesus I hope that poor girl enjoyed the previous night's sleep, because it's the last time she'll be doing it.

cnocbui

schnappsbolt wrote: »

What's the EU's military strength like?

The French have 449 nuclear warheads while the British have 192.

How many of those does Putin want?

cnocbui

Cienciano wrote: »

He does look menacing though. Even in a childs bedroom

http://i.imgur.com/dM2Th9L.jpg

There are men who stare at goats, then there is Putin who stares at the men who stare at goats.

Donkey Oaty

Compu Global Hyper Meganet wrote: »

My profuse apologies once again for daring to play devils advocate.

You might think of yourself as a Noam Chomsky figure, but trying to goad a reaction by making a moral equivalence of how North Korea and the USA treat their respective citizens makes you more of a wannabe Katie Hopkins.

The Th!ng

I'd love to see Putin kick and punch the living daylights out of David Cameron.

cnocbui

The Th!ng wrote: »

I'd love to see Putin kick and punch the living daylights out of David Cameron.

Going on past form, he's far more likely to employ someone else to poison him. He's very brave that way.

tomwaterford

cnocbui wrote: »

Going on past form, he's far more likely to employ someone else to poison him. He's very brave that way.

in a one off MMA type fight who would win???

Compu Global Hyper Meganet

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

You might think of yourself as a Noam Chomsky figure, but trying to goad a reaction by making a moral equivalence of how North Korea and the USA treat their respective citizens makes you more of a wannabe Katie Hopkins.

I was making the point that people react differently to wrongdoing depending on who/which nation is carrying it out and warning against it. Once again, apologies. Unfortunately, I don't watch enough daytime TV to evaluate the opinions of Katie Hopkins, so be sure to continue to fill me in on any issues she touches upon in future. Feel free to let me know how you'd imagine Jeremy Kyle would react to this discussion too.

fryup

did putin have a face lift??

his face looks a bit plastic of late, don't you think

The Th!ng

cnocbui wrote: »

Going on past form, he's far more likely to employ someone else to poison him. He's very brave that way.

If I was in a fight with a bunch of travellers I'd rather have Putin to back me up than Cameron.

Strong Life in Dublin

cnocbui wrote: »

Going on past form, he's far more likely to employ someone else to poison him. He's very brave that way.

lol you can't be serious you do know Putin is former KBG

Egginacup

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

"Was killed during the siege of leningrad" sounds like he was a soldier. He was a child that died of diptheria. Not ok, but not the same.

That was also long before Putin was born (1952) so how badly do you reckon he was affected in reality?

Would you have the same rationale were someone to say that their grandmother died of starvation in Auschwitz? Doubtful.

Duggy747

Cienciano wrote: »

He does look menacing though. Even in a childs bedroom

http://i.imgur.com/dM2Th9L.jpg

That picture looks like it should belong in a TV mag about an upcoming episode of Eastenders where Dimitri, the local gangster and niteclub owner, is harassing Phil's mistress about a loan he once gave her ex-husband many years ago back in the old country.

Now she's expected to cough up the money or else face Dimitri's tough ultimatum. Can Phil help her out?


I should write soaps :pac:

cnocbui

Strong Life in Dublin wrote: »

lol you can't be serious you do know Putin is former KBG

Insert: 'facepalm'

Egginacup

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

He's a vile homophobic bully. He was also the head of the KGB for a time - a time when they murdered and tortured Soviet citizens. He's an asshole.
The same people who eulogise Putin must be the sort who worship that other asshole - Castro in Cuba. You know, curtailing civil liberties, jailing journalists, that sort of thing.

Ah come on now, Otto, didn't Vlad's people free your adopted homeland from the yoke of the Schmeiser toting boot boys. And now they're at it again.

cnocbui

The Th!ng wrote: »

If I was in a fight with a bunch of travellers I'd rather have Putin to back me up than Cameron.

And most likely he would bury a knife between your shoulderbaldes, put each arm around the shoulders of two of them and say: 'Come brothers, let us hev a little drink and celllebrate our viktory.'

RomanKnows

The Th!ng wrote: »

I'd love to see Putin kick and punch the living daylights out of David Cameron.

David Cameron is the Prime Minister of a mature social democracy with free health care, free elections and a free press. He's no Churchill, but he seems like a decent skin. He generates torrents of abuse because he is posh and Tory. The Brits have steered a decent course through the rough waters of the financial crisis.

Putin is a rabidly homophobic President of a country that crushes political opposition and open media. Russia is a country with levels of genuine inequality that would make even the most hardened anti-water charges protester scream. It's a country of criminality, bribery and corruption.

We've always had a rump of the far-left here in Ireland who look to the Kremlin with their sunglasses of delusion firmly in place. Who can overlook every sort of vile tyranny because Russia is sticking it to the 'man'. We had the stickies in the 70's, the Shinners and the Workers party clammering at the steps of the Kremlin in the 80's, and now a new breed of young male malcontent who despise their own worldview so much that they look favourably towards a pure despot like Putin as an inspiration.

:eek:

Egginacup

inforfun wrote: »

The people on board of MH-17 dont agree.

I'm sure their loved ones would probably prefer a bit of transparency and less secrecy themselves. After all if you have proof that Vlad shot down a plane then let's see it. But f##k that , it won't happen. Anyway, Vlad's great coz he can box the head off you.

MadYaker

Some of the memes are great though! http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/S/e/F/6/putin-mykraine.jpg

nxbyveromdwjpg

MadYaker wrote: »

Some of the memes are great though! http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/S/e/F/6/putin-mykraine.jpg

The Putin v Obama ones are great

Karl Stein

Shurimgreat wrote: »

You used Russia Today as a source,

I provided an alternative source that you ignored.

Yes I use certain means of debate or allegory

No what you do is quote something I've wrote like this:

check out Operation Mocking Bird.

And you respond with tripe like this:

Shurimgreat

the idea that the CIA controls every little newstation such as KYA downtown Kanses, or every internet news site is so far fetched that I don't even believe someone as gullible as you believes it.

See that's a perfect example of a sham argument in that you take what I've wrote, ignore it, and then attribute a position to me that I haven't taken.

The rest of your post is just you waffling the obvious.

B_Wayne

fran17 wrote: »

I'm not well informed on that law but,as with any law,its a matter for the state Duma and the people of Russia.

Really, Fran? If Russia voted to limit right of Catholics, you'd be all good with that? Up to Duma and people of Russia, sure!

Egginacup

Sociopath2 wrote: »

Spoken like a useful idiot who has never experienced any real oppression and would **** his pants if faced with any.

:pac:

Tell us all about your own struggle there, Mandela!

Egginacup

inforfun wrote: »

I am only mentioning the MH-17
What the flying **** has Obama to do with that?

Open a separate thread if you want to discuss the blood on obama's hands.

What has MH-17 got to do with Putin or the Russians?
You brought it up, did you not?

Maximus Alexander

Egginacup wrote: »

What has MH-17 got to do with Putin or the Russians?
You brought it up, did you not?

You can't be serious.

Egginacup

Anyway,

We can quibble all night and day about how Putin is a "Hitler" and whatnot.

Vlad is a genius, plain and simple. You have retards in Washington who were given 6 figure paychecks after they worked a bit (making coffee) on some farcical political campaign. Now these dopes think they can remake the entire world in the image of Halliburton, Inc. and they couldn't even list one language of the countries they are trying to fuck with.

The Novorrussians have shattered the Kiev Nazis who have been shelling kids since August and they are on the run. The Nazis in Kiev were installed by Washington and their massacres were approved by Washington, and that is undeniable.

SO,
Now that the people that Kiev and Washington wanted wiped out are actually winning and the Kiev skinhead and Nazi forces are in disarray and starving in abandoned buildings and still Washington is announcing that it will supply more weapons for Kiev assholes installed by Washington they will be massacred if they don't give it up.


I was actually wondering....when do Nazi thugs who murder for money actually respect freedom and gay rights?

Aonghus?

I'm really looking forward to the Novorussians being completely successful when Spingtime comes and Kiev being fcuked.

Egginacup

RomanKnows wrote: »

David Cameron is the Prime Minister of a mature social democracy with free health care, free elections and a free press. He's no Churchill, but he seems like a decent skin. He generates torrents of abuse because he is posh and Tory. The Brits have steered a decent course through the rough waters of the financial crisis.

Putin is a rabidly homophobic President of a country that crushes political opposition and open media. Russia is a country with levels of genuine inequality that would make even the most hardened anti-water charges protester scream. It's a country of criminality, bribery and corruption.

We've always had a rump of the far-left here in Ireland who look to the Kremlin with their sunglasses of delusion firmly in place. Who can overlook every sort of vile tyranny because Russia is sticking it to the 'man'. We had the stickies in the 70's, the Shinners and the Workers party clammering at the steps of the Kremlin in the 80's, and now a new breed of young male malcontent who despise their own worldview so much that they look favourably towards a pure despot like Putin as an inspiration.

:eek:

Vindicate yourself by naming 10 crimes against humanity conducted by the UK and Russia/USSR in the last 30 years.

Answers at your leisure, please.

Eugene Norman

Egginacup wrote: »

Anyway,

We can quibble all night and day about how Putin is a "Hitler" and whatnot.

Vlad is a genius, plain and simple. You have retards in Washington who were given 6 figure paychecks after they worked a bit (making coffee) on some farcical political campaign. Now these dopes think they can remake the entire world in the image of Halliburton, Inc. and they couldn't even list one language of the countries they are trying to fuck with.

The Novorrussians have shattered the Kiev Nazis who have been shelling kids since August and they are on the run. The Nazis in Kiev were installed by Washington and their massacres were approved by Washington, and that is undeniable.

SO,
Now that the people that Kiev and Washington wanted wiped out are actually winning and the Kiev skinhead and Nazi forces are in disarray and starving in abandoned buildings and still Washington is announcing that it will supply more weapons for Kiev assholes installed by Washington they will be massacred if they don't give it up.


I was actually wondering....when do Nazi thugs who murder for money actually respect freedom and gay rights?

Aonghus?

I'm really looking forward to the Novorussians being completely successful when Spingtime comes and Kiev being fcuked.

Well I suppose if RT calls the Ukrainians Nazis apparantly for defending the Ukraine from progressive Russia it must be true.

Egginacup

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

You can't be serious.

Deadly serious, Max

I fail to see what a civilian airliner being shot down or blown out of the sky over The Ukraine has to do with the President of Russia. If you're saying he did it and can provide evidence then you're a better man than I ... or John Kerry :pac:

Anyway, this thread is about how cool and cool-headed Vlad is. We ought to stick to the discussion of his greatness.

Eugene Norman

Egginacup wrote: »

Deadly serious, Max

I fail to see what a civilian airliner being shot down or blown out of the sky over The Ukraine has to do with the President of Russia. If you're saying he did it and can provide evidence then you're a better man than I ... or John Kerry :pac:

Anyway, this thread is about how cool and cool-headed Vlad is. We ought to stick to the discussion of his greatness.

I'd say if he had the exact same views and was governor of Texas you mean be less enamoured of the guy.

Guy:Incognito

Egginacup wrote: »

Would you have the same rationale were someone to say that their grandmother died of starvation in Auschwitz? Doubtful.

If they said "my grandmother was killed in Auschwitz" then yes. Because when you say that, the first thing people are going to go to is that she was gassed. 2nd thing, probably shot. After that maybe worked to death. Killed is generally used to refer to direct killing.
But then you knew that, because you used it that way to deliberately try to sensationalise the death to garner sympathy for Putin. Using a child's death eh? Your going to have to try harder to get people to love the man.

And what about the 2nd part? The siege ended in 44, so best case for your sympathy drive is he died 9 years before Putin was born.again, how badly affected to you truthfully think he was?

Shurimgreat

Egginacup wrote: »

I'm sure their loved ones would probably prefer a bit of transparency and less secrecy themselves. After all if you have proof that Vlad shot down a plane then let's see it. But f##k that , it won't happen. Anyway, Vlad's great coz he can box the head off you.

Your love for Vlad really knows no bounds does it.

Here's two articles to help you on your way my Russian friend.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jul/20/john-kerry/kerry-ukrainian-separatist-bragged-social-media/

http://www.newsweek.com/we-shot-down-mh17-says-pro-russian-soldier-260630

The separtists minister celebrating shooting down a plane soon after MH17 fell is fairly cast iron in my book.

Next you will be blaming the Nazis for the Katyn massacre! :rolleyes:

Shurimgreat

Egginacup wrote: »

Anyway,

We can quibble all night and day about how Putin is a "Hitler" and whatnot.

Vlad is a genius, plain and simple. You have retards in Washington who were given 6 figure paychecks after they worked a bit (making coffee) on some farcical political campaign. Now these dopes think they can remake the entire world in the image of Halliburton, Inc. and they couldn't even list one language of the countries they are trying to fuck with.

The Novorrussians have shattered the Kiev Nazis who have been shelling kids since August and they are on the run. The Nazis in Kiev were installed by Washington and their massacres were approved by Washington, and that is undeniable.

SO,
Now that the people that Kiev and Washington wanted wiped out are actually winning and the Kiev skinhead and Nazi forces are in disarray and starving in abandoned buildings and still Washington is announcing that it will supply more weapons for Kiev assholes installed by Washington they will be massacred if they don't give it up.


I was actually wondering....when do Nazi thugs who murder for money actually respect freedom and gay rights?

Aonghus?

I'm really looking forward to the Novorussians being completely successful when Spingtime comes and Kiev being fcuked.

Fair play, you really name checked most of the usual Kremlin pet hates in there. Nazis, Haliburtan, Nazi thugs, Hitler. I wonder do you get paid for mentioning each one in your posts?