The Vladimir Putin appreciation thread.

XsApollo

gandalf wrote: »

It's not the first time that a European leader has enjoyed a high rating from his populace now is it

Are you comparing Putin to Hitler now or

XsApollo

gandalf wrote: »

LOL the only regime that is moving us closer to WW3 is the extremely aggressive Ultra Nationalist one that is based in the Kremlin.

At least you are still making me laugh Eggy

I don't think Russia will have anything to do with starting world war 3.
But I would bet a lot of my money that the US will be involved.

InTheTrees

XsApollo wrote: »

Its Russia not North Korea.
Maybe you are confusing Putin with Kim Jong Un. :P

Well its true theyve both shown the same disdain for democracy, and the human rights of their own citizens.

InTheTrees

XsApollo wrote: »

Gatling wrote: »

Of course a russian based company would say that.

A russian based company that the kremlin has tried to shut down a few times yes.

Why would the government try to shut down a polling company?

Gatling

Exeggcute wrote: »

Russiaphobes

No Russiaphobes in this thread or others ,


Next makey up word

Elmer Blooker

InTheTrees wrote: »

Well its true theyve both shown the same disdain for democracy, and the human rights of their own citizens.

By protecting Russia's sovereignty and economy and preventing the USA's attempts to return the Russian population to the poverty of the Yeltsin years you could argue that Putin IS acting in the interests of the human rights of Russians.

Interesting the way that human rights are only an issue in countries that aren't subservient to the USA.

Gatling

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

By protecting Russia's sovereignty and economy and preventing the USA's attempts to return the Russian population to the poverty

Much of the population of russia lives in poverty and have done for decades.
The various tyrants have more interest in matcho bravado than furthering the russian economic development and growth

B_Wayne

XsApollo wrote: »

Polls conducted by the Levada Centre show him having high popularity ratings amongst Russians.

XsApollo wrote: »

Are you comparing Putin to Hitler now or

I think it's pretty apt, you're citing polls by a Russian research organisation, every group in Russia is inherently biased. Russia is the 3rd most dangerous place for a journalist to operate, political assassinations are common. Polling data is inherently unreliable if there's a climate of fear about upsetting the leader.

Putin has engaged in expansionism by annexing Crimea.

Being LGBT is quickly going in direction of being Jewish in 1930s Germany. Plus political dissent could end up with you being smeared and ending up in a modern day Gulag.

Yep, no problem with comparing a person who has developed a cult of personality around self while being an awful individual to Hitler....

PopePalpatine

B_Wayne wrote: »

Being LGBT is quickly going in direction of being Jewish in 1930s Germany. Plus political dissent could end up with you being smeared and ending up in a modern day Gulag.

Yep, no problem with comparing a person who has developed a cult of personality around self while being an awful individual to Hitler....

Coincidentally, concentration camps under the Nazi regime started out as a way to imprison their opposition (trade unionists, communists, socialists etc.).

B_Wayne

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Coincidentally, concentration camps under the Nazi regime started out as a way to imprison their opposition (trade unionists, communists, socialists etc.).

Plus you have those gay bashing groups that are tacitly accepted and very much so modeled on Putin's machismo.

Exeggcute

gandalf wrote: »

LOL the only regime that is moving us closer to WW3 is the extremely aggressive Ultra Nationalist one that is based in the Kremlin.

At least you are still making me laugh Eggy

Yes because it is Russia placing missiles along the U.S. border and then painting the Americans as the ones bringing the world to the brink of nuclear war.

Oh wait that was the Cuban Missile Crisis and everyone backed the U.S. because they could see the Soviets for what they were doing.

Now that it is the reverse, the Russians are wrong again.

And you expect people to take you seriously

BoJack Horseman

Exeggcute wrote: »

Now that it is the reverse

What reverse?

Nuclear weapons are now so long ranged they don't need to be "placed" in any proximity to anywhere....
..... so they aren't.

Exeggcute

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

What reverse?

Nuclear weapons are now so long ranged they don't need to be "placed" in any proximity to anywhere....
..... so they aren't.

Oh please, you know exactly what I am talking about :rolleyes:

If you don't then you really aren't in a position to be extolling the virtue of the U.S. position here.

BoJack Horseman

Exeggcute wrote: »

Oh please, you know exactly what I am talking about.

No Eggy, I don't.

Because you didn't write it.

And if you don't type it, I can't know what it is you are on about!

gandalf

Here we go again the US is doing bad things therefore Russia can do bad things.

Russia attacked a sovereign neighbour and land grabbed some of that neighbours territory. Remember they guaranteed to respect that neighbours borders by treaty. There was absolutely no justification for that behaviour.

Does the fact I am criticising Russia for their wrong doings suddenly mean I condone the US and theirs, absolutely not. Seriously this whole the US did bad stuff therefore the Russians can stinks of bad playground debate, and you honestly think people take your scripts seriously :rolleyes:

XsApollo

gandalf wrote: »

Here we go again the US is doing bad things therefore Russia can do bad things.

Russia attacked a sovereign neighbour and land grabbed some of that neighbours territory. Remember they guaranteed to respect that neighbours borders by treaty. There was absolutely no justification for that behaviour.

Does the fact I am criticising Russia for their wrong doings suddenly mean I condone the US and theirs, absolutely not. Seriously this whole the US did bad stuff therefore the Russians can stinks of bad playground debate, and you honestly think people take your scripts seriously :rolleyes:

It's not the US did something bad so Russia can. It's the hypocrisy of it all.
That you have media , people and countries from the west painting Russia as some lunatic country and then acting like our own siht don't stink.
It's pathetic, and the people lap it up.

B_Wayne

XsApollo wrote: »

It's not the US did something bad so Russia can. It's the hypocrisy of it all.
That you have media , people and countries from the west painting Russia as some lunatic country and then acting like our own siht don't stink.
It's pathetic, and the people lap it up.

In terms of domestic human rights records even with faults. Most tend to be far better. Also a journalist in America, will live an inherently safer life in the US, Ireland. Very few places match Russia in terms of danger.

Exeggcute

B_Wayne wrote: »

In terms of domestic human rights records even with faults. Most tend to be far better. Also a journalist in America, will live an inherently safer life in the US, Ireland. Very few places match Russia in terms of danger.

Well you can sleep better knowing you took one for social justice in Russia when a nuke lands on your head.

Exeggcute

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

No Eggy, I don't.

Because you didn't write it.

And if you don't type it, I can't know what it is you are on about!

If upu need to be lead along like that I'm not surprised you are so susceptible to anti-Russian propaganda.

BoJack Horseman

Exeggcute wrote: »

If upu need to be lead along like that I'm not surprised you are so susceptible to anti-Russian propaganda.

In other words, "I typed something, I was queried on it..... but I've no Idea what I was on about".

Good job Eggy, good to have you back.

XsApollo

B_Wayne wrote: »

In terms of domestic human rights records even with faults. Most tend to be far better. Also a journalist in America, will live an inherently safer life in the US, Ireland. Very few places match Russia in terms of danger.

Is that a reason then to paint Russia in the light that it's being painted in?

The US doesn't seem to mind Saudi Arabia beheading civilians in the streets.
Try being gay over there or a journalist or a woman.
But nothing gets said about that.
US keeps them cushy because it's in there interests.
Yemen?

Israel also?
It's in there interests also.

China ?
That's ok too with them,
Because it's in there interest also.

The hypocrisy from the west and the US is unreal and everybody laps it up.

XsApollo

It's plainly obvious to anybody that can see past sky news or fox or cnn that the US has an agenda with Russia and are Using NATO and Europe to push that agenda.
Which does nothing to harm the US but has consequences for Europe and Russia.
Russia and Europe would get on perfectly fine otherwise and hopefully will soon.


As for the US, it will be interesting to see what they come up with next.

Liberate North Korea?
Iran?
Will be a really big ****storm when Iran start developing WMD's or not.
China?

Anyway the next big war that happens, we can pretty much a guarantee the US will be at the forefront.

Gatling

XsApollo wrote: »

It's plainly obvious to anybody that can see past sky news or fox or cnn that the US has an agenda with Russia and are Using NATO and Europe to push that agenda.

What agenda is this

gandalf

My god you criticise Russia and Putins cheerleaders are always out in force attempting to shift the blame and focus onto the Yanks. Can they not just admit that Russia is the architect of its own misfortunes with its aggressive actions towards its neighbours. No grand conspiracy just a logical reaction by the international community to a pariah state.

B_Wayne

XsApollo wrote: »

Is that a reason then to paint Russia in the light that it's being painted in?

The US doesn't seem to mind Saudi Arabia beheading civilians in the streets.
Try being gay over there or a journalist or a woman.
But nothing gets said about that.
US keeps them cushy because it's in there interests.
Yemen?

Israel also?
It's in there interests also.

China ?
That's ok too with them,
Because it's in there interest also.

The hypocrisy from the west and the US is unreal and everybody laps it up.

The thing is, this claim has been espoused by numerous people. I have massive problems with human rights abuses in other countries. To use an example, Amnesty International have objected to human rights abuses globally including Saudi Arabia, Russia, US and China...

You just seem intent on selling an archetype of Russia, you don't seem to care that Russia have a ream of human rights abuses. You use the tactic of diverting from them.

Iwasfrozen

Exeggcute wrote: »

I love the way Russiaphobes excuse US and NATO aggression by pointing to elections in Russia as some sort of excuse for actions by the West that could lead to WW3.

It would be comical if it wasn't so serious.

Russiaphobe.... Sigh. At the very least make it Russophobe to fit with Russophone.

Anyway. If WW3 happens it will be because Russia alnnexed part of Ukraine.

conditioned games

The reason why the US and it's little sister Britian attacks Russia so much through the controlled western media is because all the oil in the world has to be traded in US dollars. Oil has replaced Gold as the backing of the US dollar. The US dollar is unfairly the worlds reserve currency and at the heart of the failing western financial system. It has given massive power and wealth to the US at the expense of the rest of the world and it is why the US spend so much on their military and attack other countries in the world.

What they trying to do to Russia now was the same with Iraq when Saddam began selling their oil in euros, the same in Libya when Gaddafi tried to set up an African currency backed by gold which would be used in selling oil, same with Syria where the US want to build a gas pipeline from Qatar through Iraq, Syria Turkey and into Europe. Since Russia has spearheaded the creation of the Eurasian Economic Union with plans to adopt a common currency and independent energy market they have become enemy number 1 for the bankrupt US.

As an Irish person I have no issue with Russia but I find it fascinating watching the continued demonization of Russia by western media sources. For the sake of peace in the world I hope the US fail in their quest to start World War 3 and that the US petrodollar comes to an end sooner rather than later.

Renegade Mechanic

^ Thank you.

Gatling

conditioned games wrote: »

The reason why the US and it's little sister Britian attacks Russia

Let's stick to the facts ,

Nobody has attacked russia the fact of the matter is russia invaded , occupied and ran a fake referendum in Crimea ,
An automus state of Ukraine had its own Parliament and laws for most part ,
Invaded and are currently occupying east Ukraine illegally while using their UN security council veto to prevent the UN from getting involved officially in Ukraine,
Russia has refused to listen to the discussion of UN peacekeeprts been sent to east Ukraine in the Sovereign State of Ukraine,

So the little petro dollar speech is moot ,

And not for the first time have russia annexed a part of a Sovereig country Georgia comes to mind ,

But hey its russia after all

InTheTrees

conditioned games wrote: »

As an Irish person I have no issue with Russia but I find it fascinating watching the continued demonization of Russia by western media sources.

So you're fine with the collapse of democracy is Russia?

Putin tramples on the russian constitution and you see that as a "plot" by the dreaded western media.