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The Vladimir Putin appreciation thread.

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    #2612
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    Crimea was always part of Ukraine before statehood and after statehood ,

    The Ukraine never exists as a state before 1991.


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    #2613
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    Russia said it didn’t have soldiers in Ukraine, and that was always believed to be a lie, and proven to be a lie.

    Source please?


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    #2614
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    na1 wrote: »
    Source please?

    Pay attention:
    "Let me be clear," Putin said: "I will say this clearly: There are no Russian troops in Ukraine."
    http://uk.businessinsider.com/putin-i-will-say-this-clearly-there-are-no-russian-troops-in-ukraine-2015-4?r=US&IR=T
    Vladimir Putin admits: Russian troops 'were in Ukraine'
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/12054164/Vladimir-Putins-annual-press-conference-2015-live.html


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    #2615
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    na1 wrote: »
    The Ukraine never exists as a state before 1991.

    Wikipedia disagrees with you: "During the 20th century three periods of independence occurred."


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    #2616
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    cnocbui wrote: »
    na1 wrote: »
    The Ukraine never exists as a state before 1991.

    Wikipedia disagrees with you: "During the 20th century three periods of independence occurred."
    Independence != recognized state


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    #2617
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    cnocbui wrote: »
    na1 wrote: »
    The Ukraine never exists as a state before 1991.

    Wikipedia disagrees with you: "During the 20th century three periods of independence occurred."
    Independence != recognized state


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    #2618
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    cnocbui wrote: »
    na1 wrote: »
    Source please?

    Pay attention:
    "Let me be clear," Putin said: "I will say this clearly: There are no Russian troops in Ukraine."
    http://uk.businessinsider.com/putin-i-will-say-this-clearly-there-are-no-russian-troops-in-ukraine-2015-4?r=US&IR=T
    Vladimir Putin admits: Russian troops 'were in Ukraine'
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/12054164/Vladimir-Putins-annual-press-conference-2015-live.html
    Troops != Soldiers

    There are no US troops in Ireland,
    But there are few US Soldiers in this country.


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    #2619
    Uboat
    Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭Uboat


    Gatling wrote: »
    Crimea was always part of Ukraine before statehood and after statehood ,

    They had autonomy to a degree but not enough majority to force any change unfortunately ,

    Thought it though quite well unlike ^


    1997 treaty between the Russian Federation and Ukraine, Russia recognized Ukraine’s borders, and accepted Ukraine’s sovereignty over Crimea

    Mecanno

    Mutes your point .

    FACEPALM!


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    #2620
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    Gatling wrote: »
    1997 treaty between the Russian Federation and Ukraine, Russia recognized Ukraine’s borders, and accepted Ukraine’s sovereignty over Crimea
    .
    Wiki: A treaty on the demarcation of the common border between the foreign ministers of Ukraine and Russia was signed on 17 May 2010 and came into force on 29 July of the same year.At that time, Ukraine intended to start work on the demarcation of the border upon ratification of the agreement by the respective governments, but ratification was not completed. 


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    #2621
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Pay attention:

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/putin-i-will-say-this-clearly-there-are-no-russian-troops-in-ukraine-2015-4?r=US&IR=T


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/12054164/Vladimir-Putins-annual-press-conference-2015-live.html

    Putin was talking about the professional wing of the Russian army, was not involved. Russian mercenaries were used in the fighting in the East of Ukraine. They are private armies. Russian volunteers also likely went to Ukraine to fight the Neo-Nazis for free. America uses mercenaries too to fight it's war nowadays. If Russia used it army the Ukraine army would be crushed within days or few weeks. There is no evidence the Russians used it's modern air force to crush the advancing Ukraine forces. It very different in Syria Russia deployed some serious hardware to the region to protect Assad.


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    #2622
    Uboat
    Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭Uboat


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Putin was talking about the professional wing of the Russian army, was not involved. Russian mercenaries were used in the fighting in the East of Ukraine. They are private armies. Russian volunteers also likely went to Ukraine to fight the Neo-Nazis for free. America uses mercenaries too to fight it's war nowadays. If Russia used it army the Ukraine army would be crushed within days or few weeks. There is no evidence the Russians used it's modern air force to crush the advancing Ukraine forces. It very different in Syria Russia deployed some serious hardware to the region to protect Assad.

    Cheerful Spring is Putin's agent on boards.


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    #2623
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    See a hair - split it!


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    #2624
    kooper
    Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭kooper


    Chrongen wrote: »
    This was blatantly violated by Kiev when then announced ethnic cleansing of Novorrusians and sent death squads to Crimea.

    The Crimeans asked for and received protection.
    They are happy now and safe.
    LOL is this guy serious "death squads"? That's hilarious, you probably watched too much of Russian propaganda.

    Happy and save, another propaganda stuff, tell it to tatars that live in Crimea that they happy and safe...


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    #2625
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    na1 wrote: »
    Troops != Soldiers

    There are no US troops in Ireland,
    But there are few US Soldiers in this country.
    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Putin was talking about the professional wing of the Russian army, was not involved. Russian mercenaries were used in the fighting in the East of Ukraine. They are private armies. Russian volunteers also likely went to Ukraine to fight the Neo-Nazis for free. America uses mercenaries too to fight it's war nowadays. If Russia used it army the Ukraine army would be crushed within days or few weeks. There is no evidence the Russians used it's modern air force to crush the advancing Ukraine forces. It very different in Syria Russia deployed some serious hardware to the region to protect Assad.

    Oh the sheer desperation - reminds me of a freshly caught fish desperately flapping around in the bottom of the boat because it doesn't like reality.

    First they ask you to prove it then they desperately move the goal posts and argue that the argument parrot isn't really dead, it's just pining.


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    #2626
    kooper
    Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭kooper


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Putin was talking about the professional wing of the Russian army, was not involved. Russian mercenaries were used in the fighting in the East of Ukraine. They are private armies. Russian volunteers also likely went to Ukraine to fight the Neo-Nazis for free. America uses mercenaries too to fight it's war nowadays. If Russia used it army the Ukraine army would be crushed within days or few weeks. There is no evidence the Russians used it's modern air force to crush the advancing Ukraine forces. It very different in Syria Russia deployed some serious hardware to the region to protect Assad.
    "fight for free" wow that's naive and "volunteers" with tanks is even more naive...
    There is enough of proves now, that russia shelled Ukraine from it's territory...
    About mercenaries, did you know that Mercenarism is forbidden by russian criminal law, article 359? So basically russian government breaks it's own law, though they don't give a s...t about it's own laws for long time now :).


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    #2627
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Gatling wrote: »
    Actually it was around 52-54 % russians living in Crimea ,
    Not 94 % of Crimea which somehow became 120+% but why did no Ukrainians vote,
    And why did this apparent 94% you claim turn down russian passports opting for Ukrainian passports .

    No ,

    Nothing,

    Have you anything other than putinganda

    Less putinganda please it's old and boring not very intelligent either

    This is Census numbers in 2001, for Crimea. Crimea was then part of Ukraine.
    Russians - 1,180.4 (58.3%)
    Ukrainians - 492.2 (24.3%)

    Are you against the majority of the population deciding their own fate? There more Russians living in Crimea, that's a fact, not Putin Propaganda.

    A 2014 Census put the number of Russians at 65 percent.

    People are happy to be part of Ukraine when their rights are respected. Neo-Nazis involvement in the coup leads to an uprising. Putin did not get involved till the coup happened and shady characters emerged to take power.


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    #2628
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,412 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    kooper wrote: »
    "fight for free" wow that's naive and "volunteers" with tanks is even more naive...
    There is enough of proves now, that russia shelled Ukraine from it's territory...
    About mercenaries, did you know that Mercenarism is forbidden by russian criminal law, article 359? So basically russian government breaks it's own law, though they don't give a s...t about it's own laws for long time now :).


    they just borrowed them from work. Dont try and tell me you have never borrowed something from work and used it for a nixer.


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    #2629
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    kooper wrote: »
    "fight for free" wow that's naive and "volunteers" with tanks is even more naive...
    There is enough of proves now, that russia shelled Ukraine from it's territory...
    About mercenaries, did you know that Mercenarism is forbidden by russian criminal law, article 359? So basically russian government breaks it's own law, though they don't give a s...t about it's own laws for long time now :).

    Russians are patriotic. It would not surprise me at all if young men in Russia bored and having nothing to do would go to Ukraine to fight. Foreigners have travelled to Ukraine to join the fight there, why not Russians? This is not shocking at all.


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    #2630
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Oh the sheer desperation - reminds me of a freshly caught fish desperately flapping around in the bottom of the boat because it doesn't like reality.

    First they ask you to prove it then they desperately move the goal posts and argue that the argument parrot isn't really dead, it's just pining.

    Putin smashing jihadists and Neo-Nazis scum I am all for it. Only for Russia Isis would still be slaughtering thousands of people. Very little was done to stop Isis when Obama was in charge.


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    #2631
    kooper
    Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭kooper


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Russians are patriotic. It would not surprise me at all if young men in Russia bored and having nothing to do would go to Ukraine to fight. Foreigners have travelled to Ukraine to join the fight there, why not Russians? This is not shocking at all.
    Yeah, that's so russian, "hm, I'm bored let's kill some people". I don't know any foreigners that traveled to Ukraine to join fight with it's own tanks, unlike "russian volunteers" on borrowed from work tanks :)...


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    #2632
    kooper
    Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭kooper


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Putin smashing jihadists and Neo-Nazis scum I am all for it. Only for Russia Isis would still be slaughtering thousands of people. Very little was done to stop Isis when Obama was in charge.
    OMG, man, are you serious? Putin supports neo-nazis all over Europe(France, Italy, etc...), wake up man...


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    #2633
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    kooper wrote: »
    OMG, man, are you serious? Putin supports neo-nazis all over Europe(France, Italy, etc...), wake up man...

    Watch and learn. The Azov Battalion is supported by the Ukrainian government and Western Governments.


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    #2634
    kooper
    Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭kooper


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Watch and learn. The Azov Battalion is supported by the Ukrainian government and Western Governments.
    Have you heard anything about RNU? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity. They are russian neo-nazis, that fighting in Donbass supported by Volodia :), so again is Putin fighting against or for neo-nazis that's a question :).
    Supporting home grown RNU in Donbass, National Front in France and many other far right parties across Europe, I'd say he is huge neo-nazi supporter :D.
    Another funny thing guess where "white supremacist' site banned in US and Europe hosted;)?


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    #2635
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    kooper wrote: »
    Have you heard anything about RNU? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity. They are russian neo-nazis, that fighting in Donbass supported by Volodia :), so again is Putin fighting against or for neo-nazis that's a question :).
    Supporting home grown RNU in Donbass, National Front in France and many other far right parties across Europe, I'd say he is huge neo-nazi supporter :D.
    Another funny thing guess where "white supremacist' site banned in US and Europe hosted;)?

    Kremlin is not supporting or arming that group and to say otherwise is propaganda. Azov Battalion is part of the Ukranian armed forces, therefore, they are supported by the current government.

    National Front is an anti-immigration and anti-EU party there is no evidence they have a military wing attached to it and they tell their members to go kill minorities on French streets.


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    #2636
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Watch and learn. The Azov Battalion is supported by the Ukrainian

    They are Ukrainian soldiers ,who are part of the Ukrainian army ,

    Are you going to start about ethnic cleansing again like several other posters repeatedly quoting putinganda
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    #2637
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Putin smashing jihadists and Neo-Nazis scum I am all for it. Only for Russia Isis would still be slaughtering thousands of people. Very little was done to stop Isis when Obama was in charge.

    There is no such thing as Kurds, they are a western fairy-tale invention. Tales of Kurds destroying ISIS are false. Suggestions that Obama funded and armed the Kuds are lies! There are no Kurds, how can you arm something that doesn't exist? You are not logical

    Putin defeated ISIS singlehandedly with sabres while riding pillion behind the leader of the we're-really-not-neo-nazi-bikers, the Night Wolves - vroom, vroom.

    Kurds! Phhhhttt! All lies I tell you!


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    #2638
    kooper
    Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭kooper


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Kremlin is not supporting or arming that group and to say otherwise is propaganda. Azov Battalion is part of the Ukranian armed forces, therefore, they are supported by the current government.

    National Front is an anti-immigration and anti-EU party there is no evidence they have a military wing attached to it and they tell their members to go kill minorities on French streets.
    Yeah, that's very good position, we pay them but we don't support them, quite convenient.

    BTW do you think that video that you attached proves that Azov is neo-nazi? I bet they can shoot the same kind of crap about any army unit, no?


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    #2639
    Elmer Blooker
    Registered Users Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Putin smashing jihadists and Neo-Nazis scum I am all for it. Only for Russia Isis would still be slaughtering thousands of people. Very little was done to stop Isis when Obama was in charge.
    Putin should be applauded for saving the lives of hundreds of thousands of Syrian Christians from the NATO/US/EU/Saudi backed jihadist terrorists better known in our free, fair and impartial western media as rebels and activists.


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    #2640
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Elmer Blooker wrote: »
    Putin should be applauded for saving the lives of hundreds of thousands of Syrian Christians

    While massacring hundreds of thousands of non Christians Syrians .
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    #2641
    Uboat
    Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭Uboat


    Gatling wrote: »
    They are Ukrainian soldiers ,who are part of the Ukrainian army ,

    Are you going to start about ethnic cleansing again like several other posters repeatedly quoting putinganda

    Don't quote putinganda, quote gatlinganda.


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