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The Vladimir Putin appreciation thread.

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    #242
    B_Wayne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    Egginacup wrote: »
    When was he head of the KGB?

    It was explained earlier sir, director of KGB in his region...


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    #243
    fran17
    Registered Users Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭fran17


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    Hard to take you seriously when you say things like this. Let me know when you are ready to discuss this like an adult.

    Translation:There is no evidence besides the hearsay of John Kerry.Shurheisgreat.


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    #244
    fran17
    Registered Users Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭fran17


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    Wonder if your other views are feeding into your complete ignorance...

    Its Batmans views I would like to review but that sadly is not possible anymore Bruce ;)


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    #245
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    fran17 wrote: »
    Translation:There is no evidence besides the hearsay of John Kerry.Shurheisgreat.

    Fran in all fairness who are you to be talking about 'evidence' when your entire value system is based on accepting an evidence void? Fraud.


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    #246
    B_Wayne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    fran17 wrote: »
    Its Batmans views I would like to review but that sadly is not possible anymore Bruce ;)

    Members of the group attributed weapons to mother Russia. Is your news resource RT? Generally not conspiratorial so inclined to say your news resources are suspect! What do you think of Russia's propaganda law Fran?


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    #247
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    I believe its the Tornado S system

    http://www.ibtimes.com/minsk-ceasefire-deal-full-text-agreement-between-russia-ukraine-germany-france-1814468

    Top of the range Russian tech. Definitely not looted from the Ukrainians.

    The problem the Ukrainians face is they aren't allowed buy weapons from the west and the Russians won't sell them anything much good either.

    Funny how the separatists all seem to have top of the range new Russian tanks too, superior to the Ukrainians.


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    #248
    fran17
    Registered Users Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭fran17


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Fran in all fairness who are you to be talking about 'evidence' when your entire value system is based on accepting an evidence void? Fraud.

    Im a contributor to this thread,thats who I am.So what your saying is that my flaw is that I rely on evidence to prove a point :confused:.Don't you think its kind of important to have some form of evidence?Not to do so would be rather fraudulent.


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    #249
    B_Wayne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    fran17 wrote: »
    Im a contributor to this thread,thats who I am.So what your saying is that my flaw is that I rely on evidence to prove a point :confused:.Don't you think its kind of important to have some form of evidence?Not to do so would be rather fraudulent.

    So there's no issue with RT news journalist resigning on air because of the reporting of the background pressure? You see no issue in investment in news organisation's from Russia? Numerous cases of pressure from government.


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    #250
    irish coldplayer
    Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭irish coldplayer


    schnappsbolt wrote: »
    What's Russia's military strength like these days?

    When they have lots of ICBM's does it really matter?


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    #251
    Boskowski
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Boskowski


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    Russia being the third most dangerous place for journalists..........

    But the question wasn't about Russia's media.


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    #252
    fran17
    Registered Users Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭fran17


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    Members of the group attributed weapons to mother Russia. Is your news resource RT? Generally not conspiratorial so inclined to say your news resources are suspect! What do you think of Russia's propaganda law Fran?

    I'm not well informed on that law but,as with any law,its a matter for the state Duma and the people of Russia.


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    #253
    Compu Global Hyper Meganet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 108 ✭✭Compu Global Hyper Meganet


    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    And then on the opposing side we have Obama, the Goldman Sachs presidential appointee, protector of Bankers and such unpunished criminals. The man who forgot to close Guantanamo. A global agressor. Murderer of farmers and wedding parties, of mothers & kids travelling to school. Obama the drone strike killer has it all covered. But hey, it's all good, because it saves putting boots on the ground. Heck, if he's not authorising the death of anyone he deems to be an enemy. Then his spy agencies will hack and spy on their own allies. Good guy Obama probably even bought Angela a new phone for Christmas, jusy to make up for his sins.

    Presider over an out of control police state, were you can get shot dead for holding a broom in your hand. Where cops will choke you to death on the street, if they erroneously suspect you're selling cigarettes. Obama, the man who'll ignore democratic elections and turn a blind eye to a military coup d'etat in Egypt. Why? Because it's good for business. The man who did nothing, as hundreds of children were murdered last summer by Bibi's war dogs in Gaza. And all by nice shiny hi-tech US military equipment.

    Obama, the man who once critised Bush for bypassing Congress, yet he has bypassed Congress on an unprecedented level for a sitting US president. In a nation where high powered, corporate financed super pacs, determines who really rules. Obama is nothing more that a hypocrite contained within an enigma, all wrapped up by a paradox. So if someone asked me, who do I trust less and fear more, Putin or Obama? It's Obama for me and it's not even close.

    Wish I could thank this post more than once for pointing out the hypocrisy of the West. However Putin is evil; of that there is no doubt. It's just that Obama is too. They both remove civil liberties from their people and subjugate them. It's just that the USA is a bit better at creating the illusion of freedom. People in this thread have mentioned political assassinations with regard to Russia; the FBI and CIA have never had any qualms about making people/evidence disappear when it's for the "greater good".

    But hey, Obama is a Nobel peace prize recipient! Great guy!


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    #254
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    Vlad Dog Putin wrote: »
    NATO have innocent like child people in USA and the EU believe it is Mother Russia that moves west towards NATO.
    Vlad Dog Putin wrote: »
    Yes the west put in prison no key anyman who Muslim who no like war in Muslim land.
    GITMO have bad guys and innocent farmers, farmers never see home again, USA make mistake and now hope world forget the innocent afghan farmers in GITMO.

    Some definite articles creeping in there - get back in character, Tonto!


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    #255
    Vlad Dog Putin
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Vlad Dog Putin


    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    Some definite articles creeping in there - get back in character, Tonto!

    I learn english by watch western porn, good no?


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    #256
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    Compu Global Hyper Meganet wrote: »
    Wish I could thank this post more than once for pointing out the hypocrisy of the West. However Putin is evil; of that there is no doubt. It's just that Obama is too. They both remove civil liberties from their people and subjugate them. It's just that the USA is a bit better at creating the illusion of freedom. People in this thread have mentioned political assassinations with regard to Russia; the FBI and CIA have never had any qualms about making people/evidence disappear when it's for the "greater good".

    But hey, Obama is a Nobel peace prize recipient! Great guy!

    Putin is evil, but Obama is worse. Yes we get it. A number of posters have made a number of similiar points.

    Putin invades Ukraine but lets ignore that and look at what others do.

    Very subtle, I like it ;)


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    #257
    Vlad Dog Putin
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Vlad Dog Putin


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    Putin is evil, but Obama is worse. Yes we get it. A number of posters have made a number of similiar points.

    Putin invades Ukraine but lets ignore that and look at what others do.

    Very subtle, I like it ;)

    No Putin put Russia first.
    Obama put USA first.
    The EU is USA bitch.


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    #258
    Compu Global Hyper Meganet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 108 ✭✭Compu Global Hyper Meganet


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    Putin is evil, but Obama is worse. Yes we get it. A number of posters have made a number of similiar points.

    Putin invades Ukraine but lets ignore that and look at what others do.

    Very subtle, I like it ;)

    I'm only pointing it out because the Western media tends to be very selective in this case. Putin is (correctly) labeled a tyrant and painted as such by our media. However, Obama is generally judged on "economic policies" and so forth, in spite of the fact that his regime is at least as despotic. There should be balance.


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    #259
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    Compu Global Hyper Meganet wrote: »
    I'm only pointing it out because the Western media tends to be very selective in this case. Putin is (correctly) labeled a tyrant and painted as such by our media. However, Obama is generally judged on "economic policies" and so forth, in spite of the fact that his regime is at least as despotic. There should be balance.

    Its not as least as despotic. You and your pal who you replied to have a bit of a tag team going on there eh? ;) vlad dog putin seems to be on the act too. To be honest I'm not sure how many kremlin bots there are on here or if its just the one bot with several accounts as normally happens elsewhere.


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    #260
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    Seems the guardian also suffering the same problem.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/04/pro-russia-trolls-ukraine-guardian-online


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    #261
    Compu Global Hyper Meganet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 108 ✭✭Compu Global Hyper Meganet


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    Its not as least as despotic. You and your pal who you replied to have a bit of a tag team going on there eh? ;) vlad dog putin seems to be on the act too. To be honest I'm not sure how many kremlin bots there are on here or if its just the one bot with several accounts as normally happens elsewhere.

    I'm just saying that people need to take the Hollywood gloss off media reports and judge dispassionately. The nut jobs in North Korea are spying on their citizens. Everyone thinks they are crazed lunatics. The "cerebral" leaders in Washington are monitoring the online activity of every single citizen in their country and beyond (and stomping on the concept of civil liberties in the process) and nobody jumps to that conclusion. I have already stated multiple times that Putin is a tyrant. If you want to judge that in isolation, that's fine. But since the US is invariably brought into the mix in such discussions, I feel that a bit of level handedness is necessary when making comparisons.


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    #262
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    Compu Global Hyper Meganet wrote: »
    I'm just saying that people need to take the Hollywood gloss off media reports and judge dispassionately. The nut jobs in North Korea are spying on their citizens. Everyone thinks they are crazed lunatics. The "cerebral" leaders in Washington are monitoring the online activity of every single citizen in their country and beyond (and stomping on the concept of civil liberties in the process) and nobody jumps to that conclusion. I have already stated multiple times that Putin is a tyrant. If you want to judge that in isolation, that's fine. But since the US is invariably brought into the mix in such discussions, I feel that a bit of level handedness is necessary when making comparisons.

    Your posts follow a similiar patter - ie Putin is a tyrant but the US is worse, much worse.

    Try making a point without mentioning the US or Obama. Let's see you try, as I'm sure you'll fail.


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    #263
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    Some definite articles creeping in there - get back in character, Tonto!

    :)

    The mask is slipping alright.


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    #264
    floggg
    Registered Users Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    fran17 wrote: »
    I'm not well informed on that law but,as with any law,its a matter for the state Duma and the people of Russia.

    Lol


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    #265
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    schnappsbolt wrote: »
    What's the EU's military strength like?

    Combined EU's is stronger than Russia's on paper if that's what you're asking.


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    #266
    Compu Global Hyper Meganet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 108 ✭✭Compu Global Hyper Meganet


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    Your posts follow a similiar patter - ie Putin is a tyrant but the US is worse, much worse.

    Try making a point without mentioning the US or Obama. Let's see you try, as I'm sure you'll fail.

    Very sorry. It seems that I've committed a few acts of sacrilege in this thread.

    Vladimir Putin is a bad man who spearheads an evil regime. As I've already said multiple times.

    My profuse apologies once again for daring to play devils advocate.


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    #267
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 20,059 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    fran17 wrote: »
    Where are you getting your evidence for these accusations?And the news conference ramblings from that cardboard pc moron John Kerry don't count;)

    You are obviously not aware that Ukraine is connected to the Internet - yes, i know it's shocking, but still true nonetheless. There also seem to be quite a few Ukrainians who possess cameras and who have been using them to take photos and videos of all the Russian troops and Russian hardware passing by or parked outside their bedroom windows. You can see some of their snaps here:
    http://liveuamap.com/undefined?ll=51.52035;-0.08703&zoom=10

    The BUK launcher that shot down the MH17 was actually filmed and photographed on numerous occasions, and these photos and videos have made their way onto the internet. Some resourceful people have been busy studying all these and have made a pretty good case for being able to track and account for the launchers movements: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2015/01/17/new-images-of-the-mh17-buk-missile-launcher-in-ukraine-and-russia/

    If you can be bothered to follow that link and the subsequent links on that page, you will find sources like Paris Match and Der Spiegel. I don't think Kerry is mentioned.

    Then we have a BBC crew which reported that the crew of the BUK launcher spoke Russian with accents which suggested they were native Russians. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29109398

    So you have very good evidence for a BUK launcher, crossing the border from Russsia into Ukraine, under the control of native Russian troops which then very likely shot down MH17 and then very rapidly was moved back across the border into Russia. You don't need any American sources or evidence to reach such a reasonable conclusion.

    If you want to peruse that first link I gave and click on the clock and try numerous different dates, you find a lot of photographic evidence showing Russian equipment in Ukraine with photos of Russian troops, their identity papers, etc, etc.


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    #268
    Cienciano
    Registered Users Posts: 14,294 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    He does look menacing though. Even in a childs bedroom

    http://i.imgur.com/dM2Th9L.jpg


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    #269
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Cienciano wrote: »
    He does look menacing though. Even in a childs bedroom

    http://i.imgur.com/dM2Th9L.jpg

    Jesus I hope that poor girl enjoyed the previous night's sleep, because it's the last time she'll be doing it.


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    #270
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 20,059 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    schnappsbolt wrote: »
    What's the EU's military strength like?

    The French have 449 nuclear warheads while the British have 192.

    How many of those does Putin want?


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    #271
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 20,059 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Cienciano wrote: »
    He does look menacing though. Even in a childs bedroom

    http://i.imgur.com/dM2Th9L.jpg

    There are men who stare at goats, then there is Putin who stares at the men who stare at goats.


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