Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

Jamie2k9

Appears Faro has a daily A333 assigned like Malaga for 2020 (up from current 1 weekly).

Bussywussy

sherology wrote: »

United trialled '3-course' single tray biz service on a few of their routes recently to allow for a shorter meal service and more quiet/sleep time for their overnight biz passengers. (Not an economy meal - just pre-plated biz food on a larger tray.

Might be an idea for EI on their shorter transatlantic flights... Can't imagine they're would be much flack from passengers if what they get is still good food.

Think they already offer that in EI

Tenger

Bussywussy wrote: »

Think they already offer that in EI

They only do that out of the US. I’m guessing as those are thru the night flights.

Bussywussy

Tenger wrote: »

They only do that out of the US. I’m guessing as those are thru the night flights.

Ya that's when I was offered it

goingnowhere

There is a quick meal offering on the overnight flights, otherwise its the full service. Limited food choice for this option.

sherology

goingnowhere wrote: »

There is a quick meal offering on the overnight flights, otherwise its the full service. Limited food choice for this option.

Seems like making it protocol might reduce staff effort and increase the sleep time. No doubt there's a way to streamline the meal service if it's a one person task.

That said, on the LR, with it single aisle, maybe it'll be 1-front/1-back on meal/drink service with two in biz. Time will tell I guess. Arriving this month right?

goingnowhere

The key with the 321 is 4 more business seats vs the 757. That could push the balance in favour of another crew member. Revenue wise filling a single extra business seat pays for the extra crew member

The union could demand the established 5 crew on A321, did the A321 have 5 or 6 when in Euro biz all those years ago?

Shamrockj

goingnowhere wrote: »

The key with the 321 is 4 more business seats vs the 757. That could push the balance in favour of another crew member. Revenue wise filling a single extra business seat pays for the extra crew member

The union could demand the established 5 crew on A321, did the A321 have 5 or 6 when in Euro biz all those years ago?

It was 7 I'm sure! The 330 was at one stage 11 and with less seats!

Conor84

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Appears Faro has a daily A333 assigned like Malaga for 2020 (up from current 1 weekly).

That seems to make sense with the demand on that route - up to 4 flights a day this year. With extra frames and some transatlantic departures leaving later it seems to be apart of an overall further increase in aircraft utilisation.Also with the shortage of stands at Dublin it makes sense to have another aircraft away before others arrive.

With 2 extra A330s this year will this mean that Aer Lingus will at last have a standby aircraft for transatlantic services? With the extent of the flying programme now they have managed to survive with only a reserve aircraft a few days a week and presumably that is the bare minimum for routine maintenance. One of the new A330s will be required to cover the increase in frequency to Seattle and the transfer of the MSP route to the A330 so I am guessing this is the plan for the second new aircraft unless new route(s) are announced?

I know 4 A321LRs are due soon but how many will there be for peak Summer 2020. This year the original plan was for 4 7575s and 2 A321LR to cover Shannon - Boston and New York and then Hartford, Philadelphia, MSP and Montreal from Dublin. With MSP gone to the A330 that still seems to suggest 5 smaller transatlantic aircraft needed but have only read mention of 4.

Jamie2k9

Indo journalist John Mulligan has pics of A321LR (includ inside) in Hamburg. Guess some sort of press trip. If somebody could link his twitter.

rameire

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Indo journalist John Mulligan has pics of A321LR (includ inside) in Hamburg. Guess some sort of press trip. If somebody could link his twitter.

https://twitter.com/JMulliganIndo/status/1147116135718035457

https://twitter.com/JMulliganIndo/status/1147092952558313472

https://twitter.com/JMulliganIndo/status/1147116319269163008

sherology

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Indo journalist John Mulligan has pics of A321LR (includ inside) in Hamburg. Guess some sort of press trip. If somebody could link his twitter.

The interior (only interesting one really): https://twitter.com/JMulliganIndo/status/1147116319269163008?s=20

kevinandrew

Interesting choice for economy, dark grey by the looks of it.

alancostello

kevinandrew wrote: »

Interesting choice for economy, dark grey by the looks of it.

It's the Recaro CL3710, same as Iberia and BA have on their A350s in Economy, so must be the new long-haul economy seat for IAG, it'll get a green/white doily over the headrest which will be the personalisation.

sherology

alancostello wrote: »

It's the Recaro CL3710, same as Iberia and BA have on their A350s in Economy, so must be the new long-haul economy seat for IAG, it'll get a green/white doily over the headrest which will be the personalisation.

It looks like (or I thought it looked like) it's just the seat-frame without the padding and covers??? Maybe they're changing the interiors.

kevinandrew

alancostello wrote: »

kevinandrew wrote: »

Interesting choice for economy, dark grey by the looks of it.

It's the Recaro CL3710, same as Iberia and BA have on their A350s in Economy, so must be the new long-haul economy seat for IAG, it'll get a green/white doily over the headrest which will be the personalisation.

It seems both Iberia and BA have much more customisation though, BA have their A350 seats in light blue with additional padding while Iberia have chosen a red/brown colour. 

Also, don't Aer Lingus already have the CL3710 in their newer A330s?

Tenger

goingnowhere wrote: »

The key with the 321 is 4 more business seats vs the 757. That could push the balance in favour of another crew member. Revenue wise filling a single extra business seat pays for the extra crew member

The union could demand the established 5 crew on A321, did the A321 have 5 or 6 when in Euro biz all those years ago?

As noted above, EI had 7 crew on the A321s in 1998-2002. Full service delivered DUB-LHR-DUB. At the same time they had 11 crew on the old A330s, LAX was delivered in 1999.

EI currently have 5 crew on their A321. While I recognise that this is perhaps based on door config and/or capacity, surely the union can use this as precedent for 5 crew on the A321LR.
Personally I feel have 40% of the TA fleet susceptible to "crew illness" is a business risk. They may be doing fine currently with only 4 B757s, but the plan is to have 14 A321LR/XLRs in 3-4 years.

Marcusm

alancostello wrote: »

It's the Recaro CL3710, same as Iberia and BA have on their A350s in Economy, so must be the new long-haul economy seat for IAG, it'll get a green/white doily over the headrest which will be the personalisation.

Antimacassar, although few people oil their hair these days.

1123heavy

Those seats in economy look horrendously uncomfortable and too close together for a transatlantic flight, my word. I hope it's just the angle but the 330 seats look way more comfortable and less compacted. I don't like the idea of that recaro seat to go over the atlantic with, I can barely go across Europe in one. The current padded seats are very comfortable and more suited in my opinion

Locker10a

1123heavy wrote: »

Those seats in economy look horrendously uncomfortable and too close together for a transatlantic flight, my word. I hope it's just the angle but the 330 seats look way more comfortable and less compacted. I don't like the idea of that recaro seat to go over the atlantic with, I can barely go across Europe in one. The current padded seats are very comfortable and more suited in my opinion

Remains to be seen, we can’t really judge from one blurry photo!

sherology

1123heavy wrote: »

Those seats in economy look horrendously uncomfortable and too close together for a transatlantic flight, my word. I hope it's just the angle but the 330 seats look way more comfortable and less compacted. I don't like the idea of that recaro seat to go over the atlantic with, I can barely go across Europe in one. The current padded seats are very comfortable and more suited in my opinion

The seat is the same recaro 3710 as on the latest a330s with EI, same screens, and (in theory at least) the same pitch and space. It's just a tight/high photo angle... Look at the vantage seats in comparison... They too look very squashed. In essence... Like for like seating on new LR/newer 330s, apart for 3:3 vs. 2:4:2.

In terms of 4 vs. 5 cabin crew... Not sure there will be 5 flip-down crew seats, as there are only 4 regular doors... Unless there's one in the cockpit.

kevinandrew

1123heavy wrote: »

Those seats in economy look horrendously uncomfortable and too close together for a transatlantic flight, my word. I hope it's just the angle but the 330 seats look way more comfortable and less compacted. I don't like the idea of that recaro seat to go over the atlantic with, I can barely go across Europe in one. The current padded seats are very comfortable and more suited in my opinion

You’ll find it’s the same Recaro seat already featured on the newer A330s and with pretty much every airline around the world these days. It can be found on Aer Lingus, BA, Iberia, Finnair, TAP, Virgin, Westjet, Qatar, Singapore Airlines and many more. It’s Recaro’s long haul seat design, not the Recaro you see in Europe.

joeysoap

DVE gone tech in Milan? Due off hours ago

goingnowhere

Cancelled, crew out of hours at this stage

joeysoap

Yes, I have a friend on the flight, overnighting in Milan.

Dardania

joeysoap wrote: »

Yes, I have a friend on the flight, overnighting in Milan.

Not to make light of the situation, and no doubt they’re being kept from family or other more important things...but there are worse fates!

joeysoap

Dardania wrote: »

Not to make light of the situation, and no doubt they’re being kept from family or other more important things...but there are worse fates!

True, safety comes first. She has something on tomorrow, however, still hoping too make it.

joeysoap

Still in Milan. Something similar to Lisbon last week?. Can AL not call on one of the other IAG airlines for the hire of a plane ( even Ryanair if it came to that)?

Jamie2k9

joeysoap wrote: »

Still in Milan. Something similar to Lisbon last week?. Can AL not call on one of the other IAG airlines for the hire of a plane ( even Ryanair if it came to that)?

No they can't. 18.00 departure apparently.

EICVD

joeysoap wrote: »

Still in Milan. Something similar to Lisbon last week?. Can AL not call on one of the other IAG airlines for the hire of a plane ( even Ryanair if it came to that)?

Do you think those airlines just aircraft lying around not flying?

liiga

19 july aerlingus will get the A321neo

JCX BXC

It's the middle of peak season, spare aircraft are very sparse.

L1011

ACMI availability and I presume price have been hammered by the MAX grounding also

joeysoap

19:00 latest

sherology

liiga wrote: »

19 july aerlingus will get the A321neo

Cool... Hopefully we'll see inside in better detail, and hear some feedback from staff.

Tenger

I’m guessing that journo will have an article about the new aircraft published within the week.

mactheknife19

Wondering if anyone here would have an insight into AL's 2020 timetable. I've a friend who is having a wedding in Palma in May 2020. Currently there are no flights online. Ryanair does but the scheduling does not really work (flights are out on the Thursday), but most people need to go on the Wednesday.

Maybe someone could confirm if AL even flew to Palma in May 2019, or is June the earliest.

Jamie2k9

mactheknife19 wrote: »

Wondering if anyone here would have an insight into AL's 2020 timetable. I've a friend who is having a wedding in Palma in May 2020. Currently there are no flights online. Ryanair does but the scheduling does not really work (flights are out on the Thursday), but most people need to go on the Wednesday.

Maybe someone could confirm if AL even flew to Palma in May 2019, or is June the earliest.

It was daily in May 19.

joeysoap

Was talking to my friend this morning. Flight took off from Milan on Saturday morning. Circled around for 40 mins fairly low, ears were popping like mad. Pilots said they couldn’t pressurize the plane and that they would have to return to Linate as they couldn’t climb.Said they were treated well by AL and decent hotel in Milan on Saturday night. They were collected for an 18:00 flight yesterday and got away just after 20:00 arriving back in Dublin at 21:45. only 1/3 full as some got flights from Malpensa on Saturday and Sunday. Said they cabin crew were really nice and put them at ease with the plane. Going to get €400 I think for the delay.

Lapmo_Dancer

mactheknife19 wrote: »

Wondering if anyone here would have an insight into AL's 2020 timetable. I've a friend who is having a wedding in Palma in May 2020. Currently there are no flights online. Ryanair does but the scheduling does not really work (flights are out on the Thursday), but most people need to go on the Wednesday.

Maybe someone could confirm if AL even flew to Palma in May 2019, or is June the earliest.

Flights to Palma commenced in April this year.

mactheknife19

Lapmo_Dancer wrote: »

Flights to Palma commenced in April this year.

Would they not already be on sale for next year. Wondering was uptake to small to continue.

Jamie2k9

mactheknife19 wrote: »

Would they not already be on sale for next year. Wondering was uptake to small to continue.

Should be released over next few weeks.

Stephen Strange

mactheknife19 wrote: »

Would they not already be on sale for next year. Wondering was uptake to small to continue.

Fairly good loads even in April this year if I remember correctly

rushfan

Actually typing this in Majorca atm. We booked our flights in Nov last but didn't want to book the Aer Lingus one as we felt it arrived in too late. Instead, we flew Lufthansa. First flight out to Munich, and an hour later got the connecting flight to Palma.Landed in PMI at 12ish. And all for almost e200 cheaper than ALT.

Locker10a

rushfan wrote: »

Actually typing this in Majorca atm. We booked our flights in Nov last but didn't want to book the Aer Lingus one as we felt it arrived in too late. Instead, we flew Lufthansa. First flight out to Munich, and an hour later got the connecting flight to Palma.Landed in PMI at 12ish. And all for almost e200 cheaper than ALT.

Most people won’t even consider connecting, and airlines that fly direct know this! Connecting is fine until you’re delayed and miss your connection and you whole day is taken up getting to somewhere it takes 2 hours to fly to direct, it’s grand when it works out though

alancostello

Locker10a wrote: »

Most people won’t even consider connecting, and airlines that fly direct know this! Connecting is fine until you’re delayed and miss your connection and you whole day is taken up getting to somewhere it takes 2 hours to fly to direct, it’s grand when it works out though

Living in the US has changed my perspective on connecting, it's almost a requirement here. Funny thing is though it's very rare I see a European connecting flight be cheaper than EI or FR.

Van.Bosch

alancostello wrote: »

Living in the US has changed my perspective on connecting, it's almost a requirement here. Funny thing is though it's very rare I see a European connecting flight be cheaper than EI or FR.

Unless it is around an Irish Bank Holiday or a school break etc

Tenger

We flew BHD-PMI last year as it was cheaper than ex-Dublin.

Im guessing that while EI will operate DUB-PMI they havent finalised their S20 schedule yet?

Qprmeath

Faro flight operated today by a hire in I heard. Titan Airways 757. Think it's doing 2 over and backs.

goingnowhere

Qprmeath wrote: »

Faro flight operated today by a hire in I heard. Titan Airways 757. Think it's doing 2 over and backs.

A320 went tech in CDG and Milan over the weekend