Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

Tenger

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There’s video on Instagram of the “birdstrike” with associated flames from no 2. Flames for a split second.

Correction received gang. When I got the chance I watched that video of the ATC comms.

My disdain towards the online article was more directed towards the writing;
"ATC confirmed flames...",
"....large aircraft"
"Airport Webcam tweeted..."

Just shoddy writing. With a little more tgought it could have been perfectly factual.

Cloudio9

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Engine 2 reverser deployed after landing so looks like they didn't actually shut it down?

Also presumably would’ve declared a mayday if they lost an engine.

Idbatterim

Regarding the Vegas route , their getting a lot more frames. But please stop mentioning this route. It’s ridiculous talking about the fifth largest hub in Europe. having a three / four times weekly service to the eight largest airport in the us, and the gambling / conference capital of the world ...

L1011

Idbatterim wrote: »

Regarding the Vegas route , their getting a lot more frames. But please stop mentioning this route. It’s ridiculous talking about the fifth largest hub in Europe in the us, having a three / four times weekly service to the eight largest airport in the us, and the gambling / conference capital of the world ...

This is your last warning to actually stop.

Van.Bosch

Idbatterim wrote: »

Regarding the Vegas route , their getting a lot more frames. But please stop mentioning this route. It’s ridiculous talking about the fifth largest hub in Europe. having a three / four times weekly service to the eight largest airport in the us, and the gambling / conference capital of the world ...

What metric is used to define Dublin as the 5th largest hub?

While LAS may be the 8th largest in terms of total pax, where does it rank in terms of international passengers?

munchkin_utd

Van.Bosch wrote: »

What metric is used to define Dublin as the 5th largest hub?

I'd have to ask this too.

to start with, according to the irish times, Dublin had roughly 2million transfer passengers so its not massive to start with.

Looking outside of Ireland, airports with slightly less traffic have multiples of the amount of traffic but its hard to get all the info in one place, so I just looked around at what I could find
From Finland airport authority, 35% of passengers were transfer in Helsinki, so 8.75 million passengers.
Lisbon has 5million less passengers overall than Dublin, but over double the transfers at 4.6 million transfer passengers
Sure even Reykjavík which is WAY down the list in terms of overall traffic, is busier than Dublin (according to their authority) with 2.2 million transfer passengers last year, down from 4 the year before (when WOW was in full swing)

Thats 3 smaller airports that are busier. I dont even need to look at Amsterdam, Heathrow, Paris CDG, Munich, Frankfurt, Madrid to come up with another 6 which have to have way more transfers than Dublin, so thats at least 9 airports with more transfer business, before I waste any more time delving deeper.

Idbatterim

When I refer to the fifth busiest in Europe , I’m referring to traffic from Dublin to North America. I have repeatedly seen that figure quoted in the media and possibly from Dublin airport on their website... I’m not sure if it’s accurate , but it sounds about right... where will have more? Heathrow, maybe gatwick. And possibly Frankfurt and schiphol?

L1011

I could and really should card all three of you for that. Anyone else after this will be.

There is to be no discussion, suggestion, hinting, whatever of a Vegas route until there is an announcement

Locker10a

Back on topic, the entry into service for EI-LRA is rumoured to be 2nd of August

Nibs05

Locker10a wrote: »

Back on topic, the entry into service for EI-LRA is rumoured to be 2nd of August

Is delivery still this week, Friday is now what I’m hearing.

cson

cson wrote: »

The Baltimore-Columbia-Towson (2.8m people) MSA has the lightest European route network (2 routes) of the Top 20 MSA's in the US. Anecdotally you have a lot of folks east of the DMV that prefer to use BWI. I think it could very well be a opportunity for EI, IAG have similar route economics to hand with the BA LHR service. The airport is also the busiest of the 3 WAS airports.

I think you may be someone who's never had to travel I95 on the regular with referencing IAD & PHL "only" being 60 & 100 miles away by road either.

BA have up gauged BA228/9 (LHR-BWI) from 788 (225 seats) to 772 (275 seat config), a 22% capacity boost. Spoke to cabin crew on this flight yesterday and they said the route has been 'chockers' for a while now. I would think there's the potential traffic there for a 321LR.

Jamie2k9

Jack1985 wrote: »

Jamie what you term as difficult is the workload balance of employed people in the company. The company themselves have admitted it increases workloads ''exorbitantly'' and have offered compromise in terms of a monetary value coupled with updated Business class service flow to the union.

They are off on a bad foot , they went to the LRC expecting the world recently and walked out ghost faced. The company have 4 extra J seats and 3 extra in economy coupled with overall lower operating costs, even with what they are offering they are still earning extra margin per seat and I have been told a 5th crew member wouldn't bring the situation to the 757 having the cost advantage the NEO still wins out. This is penny pinching which has reached ridiculous levels across the organisation (they've shown that for themselves at the start of these negotiations).

So your reference to EI have an upper hand is laughable.

Put it does way, 4 on the B752 hasn't helped the case to get a fifth on the A321. There would be a much bigger fuss kicked up by unions including most likely industrial ballots if they a strong case for a fifth. Your not trying to tell me unions have suddenly become reasonable and not make there case if they had the upper hand.

It's clearly going to require compromise.

Had the saver fare removed the meal service that's 10-20% typically less Y and would allow a second crew member assist in J and move to Y as required.

Locker10a wrote: »

I guess the issue is the NEO and 752 aren’t the same in terms of passengers ratio and work load. The NEO is more passengers and more work, particularly for Business class.

I totally get the extra workload.

Jamie2k9

Idbatterim wrote: »

When I refer to the fifth busiest in Europe , I’m referring to traffic from Dublin to North America. I have repeatedly seen that figure quoted in the media and possibly from Dublin airport on their website... I’m not sure if it’s accurate , but it sounds about right... where will have more? Heathrow, maybe gatwick. And possibly Frankfurt and schiphol?

Based on number of flights weekly.

Karl8415

Just wondering with the arrival of the NEO’S soon are the 757’s been retained or is it when 1x neo arrives then a 757 departs or will everything be retained and frequencies get increased,apologies if this question has been asked and answered previously

goingnowhere

First NEO does not replace anything, there will still be a single 757 in 2020

Tenger

Someone posted a retirement plan about 3-4 weeks. (Im up too late as is on a school night to lok back for it)

If memory serves 3 will leave the fleet before Christmas, with the last to leave March 2020.

sherology

Looks like EI-LRA is flying again.. are EI in Hamburg for the handover/check flight? Still due tomorrow?

Bussywussy

sherology wrote: »

Looks like EI-LRA is flying again.. are EI in Hamburg for the handover/check flight? Still due tomorrow?

Customer acceptance flight...still due tomorrow night,it will go to hangar for modifications

sherology

Bussywussy wrote: »

Customer acceptance flight...still due tomorrow night,it will go to hangar for modifications

Customer Acceptance Flight... That's the term I couldn't recall. Thanks. Be good to see some interior/galley/layout pics... Curious to see the new normal, and new Collins economy seat (if the indo article was correct).

Thanks again.

Karl8415

Bussywussy wrote: »

Customer acceptance flight...still due tomorrow night,it will go to hangar for modifications

What modifications would be done while it’s in the hanger and also before it’s goes into revenue service will EI do test flights with it to Europe or will they send it across the Atlantic to gauge fuel burn etc

Captain_Crash

Karl8415 wrote: »

What modifications would be done while it’s in the hanger

They need to add extra fuel tanks in the tail and in pods under the wings so it has the range to reach Vegas in the winter..!

Sorry... couldn’t resist lol

goingnowhere

EI galley equipment, WiFi gear, load the inflight entertainment.

There are going to be training requirements as there are new engines vs current

Bussywussy

goingnowhere wrote: »

EI galley equipment, WiFi gear, load the inflight entertainment.

There are going to be training requirements as there are new engines vs current

The WiFi software and IFE will already be loaded,the WiFi just needs to be activated,emergency equipment,Electronic Flight Bag and other systems software will be loaded.

Karl8415

Bussywussy wrote: »

The WiFi software and IFE will already be loaded,the WiFi just needs to be activated,emergency equipment,Electronic Flight Bag and other systems software will be loaded.

Thank you everyone for your comments,I’ve learnt something new because I always taught that when you receive a new aircraft that it would have everything on board based on The routes it’s scheduled to operate and all that was to do apoun acceptance was to do a few route proving flights with the aircraft

billy few mates

Karl8415 wrote: »

What modifications would be done while it’s in the hanger and also before it’s goes into revenue service will EI do test flights with it to Europe or will they send it across the Atlantic to gauge fuel burn etc

Registration tasks fleet standardisation and mode s strapping at a guess..?

WishUWereHere

Karl8415 wrote: »

Thank you everyo ne for your comments,I’ve learnt something new because I always taught that when you receive a new aircraft that it would have everything on board based on The routes it’s scheduled to operate and all that was to do apoun acceptance was to do a few route proving flights with the aircraft

And thank you too Karl. I have also learnt so much on this site, you asking only saved me asking.

And thanks to all who have shared their immense knowledge on what goes on in getting a new plane ready for the sky.

Nibs05

On the way

Tenger

Just checked FR24,
EI-LRA is airborne as EI2395. Just north of AMS as of 8.02pm.
ETA proabably just after 9pm in Dublin.
I expect the spotters will be ready for her.

Karl8415

I see it, it’s just north of Sheffield now, not long to go, drying to see pictures, out of curiosity does anyone know roughly how long LRB is from joining the fleet

goingnowhere

On finals for 28

Tenger

Camera phone pics already up on Facebook.

I expect LRB to be very soon. They will want a second aircraft to run Euro training flights and be a backup to LRA on the DUB-BDL route. LRA starts on that route Aug 2nd I think

alancostello

Interesting that EI have chosen just to have "Airbus A321neo" branding on the side, no LR. Arika have "Airbus A321LR" on the side of their birds, however TAP have nothing indicating model type at all.

Tenger

Arkia were the launch customer for the LR and only have 3 of those. I’m guessing it was expected of them to brand as A321LR?

TAP have A321neo and the LR in service so perhaps didn’t want to externally differentiate?

I wonder will XLR be branded differently as it’s essentially going to be a neo but with inbuilt tanks rather than the hold tanks of the LR. (And “redesigned wing fairings” apparently)

EI could go EI-XLA, XLB, etc for their A321XLRs!

alancostello

Tenger wrote: »

Arkia were the launch customer for the LR and only have 3 of those. I’m guessing it was expected of them to brand as A321LR?

TAP have A321neo and the LR in service so perhaps didn’t want to externally differentiate?

I wonder will XLR be branded differently as it’s essentially going to be a neo but with inbuilt tanks rather than the hold tanks of the LR. (And “redesigned wing fairings” apparently)

EI could go EI-XLA, XLB, etc for their A321XLRs!

I had the same thought but EI-XLA is already taken by a light aircraft (and had an accident too), most of the -XL_ range is actually taken by Rossiya and ex-Transaero 747s and 777s.

For the XLR I believe it has 'an optimised wing trailing-edge flap to preserve take-off performance', which essentially means reducing the inboard flap from double-slot to single-slot.

kevinandrew

Economy looks quite good, was worried when I first saw the grey seats but seems it's a two tone grey with bright green trim and various colours for the headrest covers, teal for priority, lime green for what looks like exit rows and blue for standard economy.

California Dreamer

Tenger wrote: »

Just checked FR24,
EI-LRA is airborne as EI2395. Just north of AMS as of 8.02pm.
ETA proabably just after 9pm in Dublin.
I expect the spotters will be ready for her.

I would expect the mound to be in a worse state than the end of a teenage disco after that arrival!!!!! :D:D

Tenger

kevinandrew wrote: »

Economy looks quite good, was worried when I first saw the grey seats but seems it's a two tone grey with bright green trim and various colours for the headrest covers, teal for priority, lime green for what looks like exit rows and blue for standard economy.

Do you have a link to pics? Nothing showing on Aerlingus Twitter account

California Dreamer

Tenger wrote: »

Do you have a link to pics? Nothing showing on Aerlingus Twitter account

Its on the Dublin Spotters facebook page.

Tenger

California Dreamer wrote: »

Its on the Dublin Spotters facebook page.

Thanks for the pointer.
Just saw them. The grey seats are pretty drab to my eye. And the coloured headrest covers are definitely required. I wonder will we see similar with the new A330 in a few months. Quite a departure from the existing EI cabin look.

sherology

Tenger wrote: »

Thanks for the pointer.
Just saw them. The grey seats are pretty drab to my eye. And the coloured headrest covers are definitely required. I wonder will we see similar with the new A330 in a few months. Quite a departure from the existing EI cabin look.

Could someone add an actual link... Not finding the page/images with Google search. Thanks in advance.

Tenger

sherology wrote: »

Could someone add an actual link... Not finding the page/images with Google search. Thanks in advance.

'Dublin Airport Movements/Spotting' is the facebook group name.
Lots of pics posted in the last 12 hours of the A321LR, including a video of the landing

Kev11491

For those who don't have Facebook

Locker10a

Tenger wrote: »

Thanks for the pointer.
Just saw them. The grey seats are pretty drab to my eye. And the coloured headrest covers are definitely required. I wonder will we see similar with the new A330 in a few months. Quite a departure from the existing EI cabin look.

Looks quite nice, funny how thing go in circles, the various different colours of the headrests throughout the cabin reminds me of the 90s cabin interiors EI used to have!
I noticed as well that they’ll be a windowless row where they’ve plugged doors 3. Not such a big deal when you have IFE but some people will be disappointed.
I also noted the horrible toiled door jumpseat at the rear. Doubt crew will be impressed.

Graham

The interior looks very drab in the photos, I'd hope it brightens up when the protective film is taken off the carpet.

I suppose the almost generic white exterior and non brand specific interior will make shuffling aircraft between IAG airlines a much cheaper exercise.

joeysoap

Surprised the overhead lockers are not the ‘new’ ones. When closed during flight they appear much more streamlined and give a greater senses of space. Are thy giving Boeing customers problems?

sherology

Kev11491 wrote: »

For those who don't have Facebook

Thanks man.. got rid of facecrap years ago... LOVE THE SIMPLE INTERIOR WITH THE SPLASH OF NEW-BRANDING (it's a reverse of the biz cabin green-little grey vs grey, little green/blue)... Hope the new uniform has aspects/variances of this also. Finally a brand ID inside the cabin... And hope they add it to the short haul.

Thanks again... Keep'em coming 😉

sherology

Does anyone know why they swapped to Collins seats (from recaro), and will the new a330s coming this Q4 have this new cabin? Is this a new seat for retro fitting into short haul or standardising LH?

sherology

joeysoap wrote: »

Surprised the overhead lockers are not the ‘new’ ones. When closed during flight they appear much more streamlined and give a greater senses of space. Are thy giving Boeing customers problems?

I'm not sure they're readily available 'today' but I do think AA has them/has them coming on their new a321neos... Or they're coming soon... They are sorely needee even as retrofits as EI thankfully allow a 10k cabin bag. No doubt they're pricey.

Update:

https://images.app.goo.gl/LyXLYkxp5zviUHj97

AA is the launch customer for these bins and they're only just available... Maybe EI missed out... TAP/Air Transat/Arkia don't have them on their LRs either, so assume they're either too expensive or you have to back-order them. Nice and useful through.

Locker10a

joeysoap wrote: »

Surprised the overhead lockers are not the ‘new’ ones. When closed during flight they appear much more streamlined and give a greater senses of space. Are thy giving Boeing customers problems?

They reduce overall bag capacity

Tenger

Locker10a wrote: »

They reduce overall bag capacity

Really? I thought the new AirSpace cabin was supposed to increase bag stowage?
AirSpace will be the standard config from next year.