Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

cson

blackwhite wrote: »

I didn’t think Ireland was on the list for the Global Entry programme? Need to have UK (or one of the other eligible countries) citizenship

UK & Germany are the only EU countries eligible for GE right now.

Obviously US citizens or permanent residents are eligible too.

MJohnston

Any idea if it's possible to get the UK background check for Global Entry if you're Northern Irish but have been living in Ireland for 10 years?

blackwhite

MJohnston wrote: »

Any idea if it's possible to get the UK background check for Global Entry if you're Northern Irish but have been living in Ireland for 10 years?

What passport do you carry?

https://www.cbp.gov/travel/trusted-traveler-programs/global-entry/international-arrangements/registered-traveller/citizens-united-kingdom

MJohnston

blackwhite wrote: »

What passport do you carry?

https://www.cbp.gov/travel/trusted-traveler-programs/global-entry/international-arrangements/registered-traveller/citizens-united-kingdom

Irish, but I'm entitled to a British one too, although I've never seen the need. But getting access to Global Entry would certainly be a game changer

blackwhite

MJohnston wrote: »

Irish, but I'm entitled to a British one too, although I've never seen the need. But getting access to Global Entry would certainly be a game changer

Cost would be approx €220 ($100, plus £42 for UK vetting and £75 for passport) - as well as still needing to have ESTA in place.

Would want to be travelling a lot to make it worthwhile IMO - the cost of getting a UK passport is a big element of the overall cost.

Can't see anything in the guidance that states UK residency is a requirement BTW - just citizenship

ongarboy

Jack1985 wrote: »

Positively Orlando grows from 4 to 6 weekly next summer, with MIA returning to 3 weekly. It’s an extra 3 weekly flights overall to Florida, a long time coming for MCO that route is a goldmine for EI.

Yes, I flew to MIA in late May and returned to DUB in early June and flight was full both ways. It seemed a lot of passengers were non-Irish and also not typical Yanks so it may appeal to a lot of transit passengers from Europe and South America going each way. Glad to see these newer routes to untypically Irish diaspora destinations are doing so well for our flagship carrier!

flange888

ohigg84 wrote:

Sad to see the 757s go.

ohigg84 wrote:

I was too.. When will LRB be ready?

LRB due to deliver on the 19th of Sept I believe

L1011

El Al posts moved to the DUB thread

mikel97

Heard this week that the Leap Engined A321 is not performing as well as expected and the Lingus/IAG beancounters disappointed.

L1011

mikel97 wrote: »

Heard this week that the Leap Engined A321 is not performing as well as expected and the Lingus/IAG beancounters disappointed.

A statement like that needs something more than third party "Heard..."

duskyjoe

Waffle- the thing runs on the smell of jet A1.

Hotblack Desiato

mikel97 wrote: »

Heard this week that the Leap Engined A321 is not performing as well as expected and the Lingus/IAG beancounters disappointed.

Still has to be a lot more efficient than a creaky old 757!

mikel97

duskyjoe wrote: »

Waffle- the thing runs on the smell of jet A1.

Yes that what I taut also. I was bit surprised when a Lingus pilot said it to me when I ask was it as good economy as 7Max.

HTCOne

Haven't there been leap engined Neos in IAG for years now?

kevinandrew

IAG has been flying the LEAP-1A engine for over year via British Airways and Iberia so they already have a lot of data on its performance prior to entry into service with Aer Lingus. The only new data that Aer Lingus operations may be providing is how its performing on the longer transatlantic sectors. All indications from the outside is that it's doing very well.

IAG has a split engine order on their A320neo family aircraft, the CFM LEAP-1A has been selected for Aer Lingus, British Airways and Iberia while Vueling gets the Pratt & Whitney PW1100G engine. The CFM offering is by far the more reliable of the two while the PW engine is said to be marginally better in terms of fuel consumption. 

Lufthansa, a PW operator, has given a mixed response to the new engine citing reliability concerns, the engine start up issues that plagued the power plant early on but also says it's fulfilling it's 16% fuel savings promise. Avianca which operates the LEAP has had nothing but praise for their engine choice, claiming a great entry into service and fuel savings of 15-20% in cruise which they describe as being "huge" on flights longer than 4hrs. 

I would take any talk of the engine being "disappointing" with a big pinch of salt.

Van.Bosch

With the first NEO in service, has a 757 left?

MoeJay

Not yet...end of October for the first one to go I believe....

john boye

I've now seen and heard that EI are less than impressed with the Leap in 4 different places. Some of those 4 could be discounted as unreliable though but some I would call reliable. Could just be stories growing legs though.

NH2013

I've certainly heard that the takeoff performance off runway 28 in Dublin is not quite up to what was expected, that they will need to wait until 28R is open in order to make full use of the aircraft's capability.

Hotblack Desiato

There were plans for parallel 3500m runways as long ago as 1968, is there any benefit in going longer than what is being built at 10L/28R?

HTCOne

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

There were plans for parallel 3500m runways as long ago as 1968, is there any benefit in going longer than what is being built at 10L/28R?

Yes this has been answered numerous times in the Infrastructure thread. I already threw this one way off a few days ago with El Al (Mea Culpa) so won’t answer again here!

billy few mates

duskyjoe wrote: »

Waffle- the thing runs on the smell of jet A1.

There's a lot more to be factored into the equation from a 'Bean Counters' point of view, fuel performance is just a small part of it.

Cloudio9

NH2013 wrote: »

I've certainly heard that the takeoff performance off runway 28 in Dublin is not quite up to what was expected, that they will need to wait until 28R is open in order to make full use of the aircraft's capability.

A narrow body is performance limited on 28?

Irish Steve

NH2013 wrote: »

I've certainly heard that the takeoff performance off runway 28 in Dublin is not quite up to what was expected, that they will need to wait until 28R is open in order to make full use of the aircraft's capability.

A very quick search elsewhere suggests that a MTOW take off needs between 7500 and 7800 Ft, given that 28 is 8,652 Ft, that would suggest that there's a conflict there, there would appear to be a significant margin available.

sherology

I do look forward to some real data/opinion at an EI/IAG event in the future to see how the LRs are doing on realworld routes, qndnjow Crew opinion, PaxEx, turnarounds etc are panning out.

A lot of the rumour on threads seems to be rather negative - and contrast with specs (barely making it to Hartford, poor take-off performance on a rather long runway at sea-level and temperate climate etc.)... But being Irish I realize that may be the negative-nelly's/sky is falling down type of rumour... A 'go-to' reaction to change.

sdanseo

That map is a bizarre mixture of feet, miles, inches and kilometres.
Legend has two identical colours for different things.

Is it any wonder it took HALF A CENTURY to get off the ground - we really are catastrophically poor at planning anything in this country.

goingnowhere

LRA has been flying back and forward to BDL for a month now, dispatch reliability looks to be 100%. Thats the only 'fact'

MoeJay

That and the fact it definitely uses less fuel than the 757...!

EchoIndia

sdanseo wrote: »

That map is a bizarre mixture of feet, miles, inches and kilometres.
Legend has two identical colours for different things.

Is it any wonder it took HALF A CENTURY to get off the ground - we really are catastrophically poor at planning anything in this country.

It would have been a white elephant if built on that scale a few decades ago, though it's instructive to recall that runway 10/28 opened 30 years ago this year. Actually, I think the foresight of those who in the 1960s earmarked the land that would be needed for an unimaginable expansion by the standards of that time should be applauded.

Locker10a

EchoIndia wrote: »

It would have been a white elephant if built on that scale a few decades ago, though the it's instructive to recall that runway 10/28 opened 30 years ago this year. Actually, I think the foresight of those who in the 1960s earmarked the land that would be needed for an unimaginable expansion by the standards of that time should be applauded.

Absolutely, many airport planners didn’t have the same foresight namely Heathrow

Tenger

john boye wrote: »

I've now seen and heard that EI are less than impressed with the Leap in 4 different places. Some of those 4 could be discounted as unreliable though but some I would call reliable. Could just be stories growing legs though.

The problem with looking at multiple sources is that rumours can get inflated.
Three times in the last 2-3 years I've seen speculation from boards.ie getting posted as fact on airliners.net and Facebook. (in relations to Las route, expansion plans and the A350 order)

EchoIndia

Locker10a wrote: »

Absolutely, many airport planners didn’t have the same foresight namely Heathrow

Or LGW.

john boye

Tenger wrote: »

The problem with looking at multiple sources is that rumours can get inflated.
Three times in the last 2-3 years I've seen speculation from boards.ie getting posted as fact on airliners.net and Facebook. (in relations to Las route, expansion plans and the A350 order)

Yes, my point exactly.

sdanseo

EchoIndia wrote: »

It would have been a white elephant if built on that scale a few decades ago, though it's instructive to recall that runway 10/28 opened 30 years ago this year. Actually, I think the foresight of those who in the 1960s earmarked the land that would be needed for an unimaginable expansion by the standards of that time should be applauded.

I agree re. the land reservation. Unusual forethought for Ireland.

L1011

Runway stuff -> Infrastructure thread!

Cloudio9

Story in the daily mail about Aer lingus a320 and drone at gatwick

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7416627/Aer-Lingus-pilot-swerved-Airbus-A320-avoid-catastrophic-collision-illegally-flown-drone.html

L1011

If it's in the Mail, every element of it is hyperbolic.

WishUWereHere

Cloudio9 wrote: »

Story in the daily mail about Aer lingus a320 and drone at gatwick

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7416627/Aer-Lingus-pilot-swerved-Airbus-A320-avoid-catastrophic-collision-illegally-flown-drone.html

Thanks for this. I was impressed they even used a plane with the latest paintings in the article!

Comhrá

WishUWereHere wrote: »

Thanks for this. I was impressed they even used a plane with the latest paintings in the article!

Indeed.....knowing the DM it could have been a 1-11.

HTCOne

Comhra wrote: »

Indeed.....knowing the DM it could have been a 1-11.

I’m surprised the DM didn’t mention passengers hearing an explosion or the aircraft narrowly missing a school.

munchkin_utd

Has anyone an idea if Aer Lingus are short on aircraft in Cork or whats the story?

Background is that the wife and 2 kids need a one way to Ireland, to cork preferably as thats where they will be at christmas so going direct would be great even if theres a little premium on prices.

With aer lingus, the Munich-Cork flight is an eyewatering €143 one way per person (thats €429 for adult and 2 kids) - and has been in that price region all summer.
In comparison its just €40 per person one way (€120 for all 3) to fly to Dublin with Aerlingus or Ryanair and even Lufthansa isnt much more expensive. Indeed, an aircoach and maybe night in hotel may be needed but that'd be €100 tops, still leaving a €200 difference just to get from A to B.

Surely to god if theres such demand for a flight that they can extract that sort of cash, they would add extra flights, or have they just no planes/ capacity to spare in Cork ?

Jamie2k9

munchkin_utd wrote: »

Has anyone an idea if Aer Lingus are short on aircraft in Cork or whats the story?

Background is that the wife and 2 kids need a one way to Ireland, to cork preferably as thats where they will be at christmas so going direct would be great even if theres a little premium on prices.

With aer lingus, the Munich-Cork flight is an eyewatering €143 one way per person (thats €429 for adult and 2 kids) - and has been in that price region all summer.
In comparison its just €40 per person one way (€120 for all 3) to fly to Dublin with Aerlingus or Ryanair and even Lufthansa isnt much more expensive. Indeed, an aircoach and maybe night in hotel may be needed but that'd be €100 tops, still leaving a €200 difference just to get from A to B.

Surely to god if theres such demand for a flight that they can extract that sort of cash, they would add extra flights, or have they just no planes/ capacity to spare in Cork ?

Cork-Munich is mostly block booked by ski operators.

JCX BXC

Competition Vs no competition.

Locker10a

munchkin_utd wrote: »

Has anyone an idea if Aer Lingus are short on aircraft in Cork or whats the story?

Background is that the wife and 2 kids need a one way to Ireland, to cork preferably as thats where they will be at christmas so going direct would be great even if theres a little premium on prices.

With aer lingus, the Munich-Cork flight is an eyewatering €143 one way per person (thats €429 for adult and 2 kids) - and has been in that price region all summer.
In comparison its just €40 per person one way (€120 for all 3) to fly to Dublin with Aerlingus or Ryanair and even Lufthansa isnt much more expensive. Indeed, an aircoach and maybe night in hotel may be needed but that'd be €100 tops, still leaving a €200 difference just to get from A to B.

Surely to god if theres such demand for a flight that they can extract that sort of cash, they would add extra flights, or have they just no planes/ capacity to spare in Cork ?

A combination of the busiest travel period of they year, and flying a niche route between a hub and relatively small city. The fact it’s also been mentioned that many of the seats may have already been block booked for skiing means the flight could technically be quite full already so you’re getting the high fare category

A319er

To be honest I think 143 one way adult peak season is a bargain, but maybe that's just me, this route is a thin marginal route aimed at winter sports passengers , the pay 143 fir a pair of ski boots !

Best take Dub option then bus, kids will enjoy it so long as they have wifi

trellheim

if they are getting that kind of fare surprised FR arent doing it too

Van.Bosch

trellheim wrote: »

if they are getting that kind of fare surprised FR arent doing it too

Ryanair wouldn’t do the deal with the ski tour operators so wouldn’t have that buffer to sell at 143. The demand without it might be limited.

Van.Bosch

With the winter timetable coming up, I wonder will we see a ramp up in aircraft being painted in the new livery.

I know they plan to do them as needed but I think they said all done by end of 2021?

That’s 27 months and they have about 35 aircraft left to do.

sandbelter

Interesting comment from American's MD of EMEA sales re its future JV with EI

"While American does fly to a handful of other destinations within the UK, it sees the next big growth opportunity in nearby Dublin (DUB), where it hopes Aer Lingus will join its transatlantic Joint Venture as soon as possible. The airline has slowly been increasing capacity to Dublin and hopes to build another hub there to allow Aer Lingus to then connect passengers onto other destinations in Europe."

Source: https://thepointsguy.co.uk/news/aa-keeping-first-class-to-lhr/

Chris_5339762

munchkin_utd wrote: »

Has anyone an idea if Aer Lingus are short on aircraft in Cork or whats the story?

Background is that the wife and 2 kids need a one way to Ireland, to cork preferably as thats where they will be at christmas so going direct would be great even if theres a little premium on prices.

With aer lingus, the Munich-Cork flight is an eyewatering €143 one way per person (thats €429 for adult and 2 kids) - and has been in that price region all summer.
In comparison its just €40 per person one way (€120 for all 3) to fly to Dublin with Aerlingus or Ryanair and even Lufthansa isnt much more expensive. Indeed, an aircoach and maybe night in hotel may be needed but that'd be €100 tops, still leaving a €200 difference just to get from A to B.

Surely to god if theres such demand for a flight that they can extract that sort of cash, they would add extra flights, or have they just no planes/ capacity to spare in Cork ?

€120 though, in my opinion, is more than worthwhile for the sheer hassle and time of getting down from Dublin. An overnight will cost a good €100 to €150... taxi or public transport to/from the hotel and back to the Aircoach... transport at the Cork end and the loss of an entire day.


Use the best flight route, within reason I reckon. For just me I put a premium of €150 on going to Dublin for a flight. ie: if the Cork flight is less than 150 more than Dublin, I'll go Cork for the sheer effort, time and ancillary expenses. Even driving and parking for a week is easily €100.