Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

Popeleo

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

€120 though, in my opinion, is more than worthwhile for the sheer hassle and time of getting down from Dublin. An overnight will cost a good €100 to €150... taxi or public transport to/from the hotel and back to the Aircoach... transport at the Cork end and the loss of an entire day.


Use the best flight route, within reason I reckon. For just me I put a premium of €150 on going to Dublin for a flight. ie: if the Cork flight is less than 150 more than Dublin, I'll go Cork for the sheer effort, time and ancillary expenses. Even driving and parking for a week is easily €100.

I'm scratching my head reading that reply. The OP has stated that the flights to DUB are €309 cheaper than to ORK. Aircoach leave every hour from DUB to Cork City and other companies on that route also, so hotel not necessary. Parking doesn't apply here.

Take away the cost of bus tickets and there is still a saving of over €270. Sure, it is inconvenient to have another 3.5 hours on a bus after a flight but we've all done worse than sit on a bus to earn less.

Bussywussy

Van.Bosch wrote: »

With the winter timetable coming up, I wonder will we see a ramp up in aircraft being painted in the new livery.

I know they plan to do them as needed but I think they said all done by end of 2021?

That’s 27 months and they have about 35 aircraft left to do.

Therd is a plan to do a good few,however with ageing fleet and base maintenance overruns it may not go exactly to plan.

Bussywussy

In even better news,Rutter is gone

Jamie2k9

Bussywussy wrote: »

Therd is a plan to do a good few,however with ageing fleet and base maintenance overruns it may not go exactly to plan.

Is it still about 6 parked up during quiet periods?

OU812

Bussywussy wrote: »

In even better news,Rutter is gone

Gone gone? Left the company??

That’s very sudden and quiet.

trellheim

Irish Times article https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/mike-rutter-set-to-leave-aer-lingus-as-chief-operating-officer-1.4010407

OU812

All very suspicious. Some cleaning house going on??

Jamie2k9

OU812 wrote: »

All very suspicious. Some cleaning house going on??

Surly the A321 issues are a major factor.

How he was hired given the track record at Flybe was always questionable.

Lapmo_Dancer

Apparently he had some not very complementary things to say about EI pilots during the week.

Bussywussy

Lapmo_Dancer wrote: »

Apparently he had some not very complementary things to say about EI pilots during the week.

I heard something bad was said too but didn't know it was him,good riddance

Bussywussy

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Surly the A321 issues are a major factor.

How he was hired given the track record at Flybe was always questionable.

And american express even more alarming

kevinandrew

Bussywussy wrote: »

In even better news,Rutter is gone

Good.

Some of the internal video messages to staff he headed were abysmal. I never understood why he appeared to be ‘face’ of management.

Bussywussy

kevinandrew wrote: »

Good.

Some of the internal video messages to staff he headed were abysmal. I never understood why he appeared to be ‘face’ of management.

Probably to give the staff a giggle

sherology

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Surly the A321 issues are a major factor.

How he was hired given the track record at Flybe was always questionable.

What are the a321 issues referred to - out of curiousity?

In general, Rutter certainly appeared degrading/abrasive in his tone the odd time I saw him presenting/discussing the company, and rather 'self-complimentary' - success is 'team' generated, not individual... No harm to kick him out regardless of any other reason... You get more bees with honey - within reason).

Jack1985

Bussywussy wrote: »

In even better news,Rutter is gone

God bless them having to wait to imply it wasn’t related to last December..

Respect towards him was floored since then.

Bussywussy

Jack1985 wrote: »

God bless them having to wait to imply it wasn’t related to last December..

Respect towards him was floored since then.

And crew refusing to sell the indo was another beaut,that's gone too

billy few mates

Bussywussy wrote: »

And crew refusing to sell the indo was another beaut,that's gone too

What happened in December..?

Bussywussy

billy few mates wrote: »

What happened in December..?

Rutter called the staff thieves

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/aer-lingus-chief-says-staff-stealing-many-millions-of-euro-from-customers-and-colleagues-37585746.html

Tenger

sherology wrote: »

.........
In general, Rutter certainly appeared degrading/abrasive in his tone the odd time I saw him presenting/discussing the company, and rather 'self-complimentary' - success is 'team' generated, not individual... No harm to kick him out regardless of any other reason... You get more bees with honey - within reason).

One thing I am aware of is that Rutter fired the previous long standing head of marketing. This was the guy who in 2011/2012, got (the then CEO) Mueller to sign off on Business class cabin revamp, installation of wifi on A330s, revamp of the business class service, lounges in JFK and BOS, new signage for Gold Circle checkin.
All things that Rutter seemed to take credit for in the last 3 years.

ohigg84

kevinandrew wrote: »

Good.

Some of the internal video messages to staff he headed were abysmal. I never understood why he appeared to be ‘face’ of management.

Yeah my dad works for EI in flight ops.


Rutter was responsible for the outsourcing of services, so he will not be missed by a lot of staff..

liiga

Will Ei-DEI get new irfu livery in the coming weeks

Tenger

ohigg84 wrote: »

......
Rutter was responsible for the outsourcing of services, so he will not be missed by a lot of staff..

Im told (anecdotally from cabin crew) that he expected that they would have been able to force the cabin crew to clean the planes on turnarounds. (Im not sure when they would have gotten the time to do so)

Bussywussy

liiga wrote: »

Will Ei-DEI get new irfu livery in the coming weeks

It's in progress,players currently being removed,it looks better with no players on it

Kevski

Bussywussy wrote: »

It's in progress,players currently being removed,it looks better with no players on it

Do we know if the team will be departing on it on Wed or is it scheduled to be finished after that?

billy few mates

Rumour has it that the whole thing had to be redone after Joe named the team the other day, they had to repaint the whole fin when Toner was dropped...

kevinandrew

Looks like EI-DEI is done, new faces but still the old shamrock and logo.

Would have been nice to see the design updated into the new corporate colours, the teal and vibrant green would look great but I’m sure it would have been an expensive process.

alancostello

As far as I'm aware the base plane is fully painted in the colours with the players/logos being essentially vinyl stickers, so it wouldn't be too much of a job (relative to a full repaint) to change them out.

flange888

Jamie2k9 wrote:

Surly the A321 issues are a major factor.

Where's this coming from? What sort of issues are they having with the A321?

L1011

Just booked Aerspace for a tenner *less* than Saver - is there some opening offer I completely missed and happened to fall across?

theguzman

Will the Irish Rugby Team travel to Japan on the Rugby Liveried Aer Lingus A320? Where will it stopover and refuel and I'd hate to spend the 10-12 hours in such a short haul cramped environment if so.

Captain_Crash

theguzman wrote: »

Will the Irish Rugby Team travel to Japan on the Rugby Liveried Aer Lingus A320? Where will it stopover and refuel and I'd hate to spend the 10-12 hours in such a short haul cramped environment if so.

No, They'll fly with Aer Lingus to Heathrow and connect with Japan Airlines direct to Tokyo Haneda, I believe they'll be on JAL44

LXFlyer

theguzman wrote: »

Will the Irish Rugby Team travel to Japan on the Rugby Liveried Aer Lingus A320? Where will it stopover and refuel and I'd hate to spend the 10-12 hours in such a short haul cramped environment if so.

Why would you ever think that was even remotely going to happen?

No team would be put through that kind of hell.

As per above they are flying on a long haul scheduled flight.

Stephen Strange

L1011 wrote: »

Just booked Aerspace for a tenner *less* than Saver - is there some opening offer I completely missed and happened to fall across?

AerSpace seems to be a set price on most flights, with other fares varying. At least that's what it looked like when I was booking LHR

L1011

Stephen Strange wrote: »

AerSpace seems to be a set price on most flights, with other fares varying. At least that's what it looked like when I was booking LHR

Its normally similar to the old full undiscounted fare; this wasn't though.

If its a pricing error they've confirmed and taken my money, sent my lounge pass on etc so would be quite difficult to refuse.

highlydebased

L1011 wrote: »

Its normally similar to the old full undiscounted fare; this wasn't though.

If its a pricing error they've confirmed and taken my money, sent my lounge pass on etc so would be quite difficult to refuse.

I booked LHR-SNN return at peak Christmas travel for £260 return in Aerspace. It was considerably cheaper than non Aerspace and had "1 seat available" for both. Now the fare is near £600!

cson

That's definitely a pricing error so.

The algo might not be programmed to adjust to demand so may be manually set right now (pure speculation on my behalf).

sherology

cson wrote: »

That's definitely a pricing error so.

The algo might not be programmed to adjust to demand so may be manually set right now (pure speculation on my behalf).

Someone is gonna get their digital-fingers slapped. Does seem like they've been left off the pricing algo.

Do we know what happens if there are more than '4' transfer passengers (taking AwrSpace seats)? Will they just expand the rows and move priority folks? 1-row seems pretty small/inflexible for first/second wave flights.

theguzman

LXFlyer wrote: »

Why would you ever think that was even remotely going to happen?

No team would be put through that kind of hell.

As per above they are flying on a long haul scheduled flight.

I was thinking it because of the Rugby livery, but I was expecting an answer back of an EI A330 charter to Japan.

LXFlyer

theguzman wrote: »

I was thinking it because of the Rugby livery, but I was expecting an answer back of an EI A330 charter to Japan.

Given that the summer schedule is in full operation still where would EI find a spare A330?

They don’t have spare aircraft.

That day is gone.

john boye

LXFlyer wrote: »

The notion of an A320 flying to Japan is utterly nonsensical - I can’t believe anyone would think it could be even be a runner. They’re marketing tools and that’s it.

Ridiculous yes but what I can't believe is how badly you seem to be taking it.

LXFlyer

john boye wrote: »

Ridiculous yes but what I can't believe is how badly you seem to be taking it.

I’ve edited my last post.

But to honest my reaction is based on being a rugby fan and on the Irish rugby team being professional sportsmen.

The IRFU are a professional outfit and they are going to send the team in the most comfortable manner that is affordable that delivers the team to Japan in the best condition possible.

That would not be through using a short haul aircraft with no onboard entertainment, minimal catering facilities, short haul seats, and with multiple stops.

cson

sherology wrote: »

Someone is gonna get their digital-fingers slapped. Does seem like they've been left off the pricing algo.

Do we know what happens if there are more than '4' transfer passengers (taking AwrSpace seats)? Will they just expand the rows and move priority folks? 1-row seems pretty small/inflexible for first/second wave flights.

Probably operate similar to what BA do, they've an adjustable cabin.

liiga

When do the irish rugby team return to Ireland from Japan

Third_Echelon

liiga wrote: »

When do the irish rugby team return to Ireland from Japan

Hopefully after the final!

billy few mates

theguzman wrote: »

I was thinking it because of the Rugby livery, but I was expecting an answer back of an EI A330 charter to Japan.

Do you have any idea how much it would cost to charter an A330 to bring the team to Japan...?
This is the IRFU we're talking about not the FAI...

HTCOne

To be fair I wouldn't have been shocked if EI had cancelled a flight or 2 6 months in advance and sent a 330 to HND/NRT.....or just moved a 757 from SNN to DUB to cover 😂

goingnowhere

EI are never going to send a A330 to JP, its just not worth it, as you would fly back empty and then empty back to JP to collect the team.

Planned in advance a A330-300 can take the team on a scheduled TATL flight, these things can be scheduled if known about months ahead, they found 2 A321's for the papal visit for 2 days.

They fly to LHR on one of the two liveried jets and fly with the host nations flag carrier to JP.

JAL are exceptional in economy so I'd expect business class to be outstanding. Far better than BA's offering for a start.

HTCOne

goingnowhere wrote: »

JAL are exceptional in economy so I'd expect business class to be outstanding. Far better than BA's offering for a start.

Wouldn’t be difficult in fairness! Although I believe J on their new A35Ks is a huge improvement. Hopefully it’ll be retrofitted to other types.

On another note, any ideas when the free wifi and booze is being launched in EI long haul Y? It was announced prior to summer season this year no?

Jack1985

AerSpace is set to be expanded I believe down as far as row six on some targeted flights. May also be some change from the complimentary offering in the bia menu.

Shamrockj

Nice video of EI-EDY A330-300 air to air. Not a huge fan of the new livery on the A330 as it's so big but it does look well here https://youtu.be/We1bc1KhVLQ