Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

Oscar Bravo

adam88 wrote: »

Anyone know why the stobart is departing kerry this late

EI-FAT was used this evening as the booked ATR went tech. departed to Kerry about 2 hours late. EI-FAT now returning to Dublin as STK31P

adam88

Morning flight be cancelled ??

LXFlyer

adam88 wrote: »

Morning flight be cancelled ??

Not necessarily. An aircraft could still position down from Dublin first thing tomorrow morning.

The mandatory crew rest period would prevent the morning flight from operating on time in any case had EI-FAT stayed in Kerry.

Tenger

Marcusm wrote: »

You miss the point that it is almost impossible to deny a citizen (plus what the US calls lawful permanent residents, ie green card holders) entry to THEIR country. They can be subject to post-entry conduct restrictions such as isolation but entry to your home country is the most basic of movement rights.

Didnt miss the point, just side stepped it, and was perhaps unclear.
The DHS notice is very clear that there are NO restriction on US citizens travelling back to the US, so I didnt refer to them.
My post referred to Schengen travelers, I meant that to cover foreign national traveling FROM the 29 named countries.


I stand by my thinking that this is theatre UNLESS they enforce a 14 day quarantine on all US citizens arriving back from Europe as a whole.

MJohnston

Tenger wrote: »

Didnt miss the point, just side stepped it, and was perhaps unclear.
The DHS notice is very clear that there are NO restriction on US citizens travelling back to the US, so I didnt refer to them.
My post referred to Schengen travelers, I meant that to cover foreign national traveling FROM the 29 named countries.


I stand by my thinking that this is theatre UNLESS they enforce a 14 day quarantine on all US citizens arriving back from Europe as a whole.

It's pointless theatre too, as nobody in Italy is flying anywhere right now, whilst the UK, clearly one of the least competently prepared countries in Europe, is free to travel to the US.

Honestly, I'd say in a week or less, we'll start seeing the full extent of what's happening in the US, and they'll be the ones being banned from travelling here.

California Dreamer

Very interesting Aer Lingus news..........

PinOnTheRight

California Dreamer wrote: »

Very interesting Aer Lingus news..........

I haven’t seen anything today?

marcos_94

California Dreamer wrote: »

Very interesting Aer Lingus news..........

Post a link......

joeysoap

ohigg84

Newest A330 in the EI fleet, A330-302 EI-EIM just about to takeoff on its inaugural revenue flight, to Chicago, operating the evening EI 125!

L1011

Last A333 to be built ever also.

Tenger

California Dreamer wrote: »

Very interesting Aer Lingus news..........

Nothing in the public sphere that I can see.
I did see the warning from the BA CEO that aircraft will be grounded and staff laid off “perhaps for the short term”. He said this is worse than Sept 11th and the GFC of 2008.

If an IAG airline are saying that I guess EI will follow suit?
Granted EI are less dependant on high yield business travel and are a leaner operation than Iberia or BA.


Personally I think this event will be more severe than 2008 but probably shorter. (As in 6-12 months versus several years)

ohigg84

L1011 wrote: »

Last A333 to be built ever also.

Almost, EI-EIN is the last A333 to be built.
It is c/n 1951.


EIM is c/n 1950.


So they are sisters.

Lapmo_Dancer

California Dreamer wrote: »

Very interesting Aer Lingus news..........

Attention seeker

sherology

Tenger wrote: »

Nothing in the public sphere that I can see.
I did see the warning from the BA CEO that aircraft will be grounded and staff laid off “perhaps for the short term”. He said this is worse than Sept 11th and the GFC of 2008.

If an IAG airline are saying that I guess EI will follow suit?
Granted EI are less dependant on high yield business travel and are a leaner operation than Iberia or BA.


Personally I think this event will be more severe than 2008 but probably shorter. (As in 6-12 months versus several years)

EI have allowed passengers to change there flights so maybe it was this... And I moved my Toronto to Sept. Last LPA on 24th and then I'm parked until Fall.

I noticed Lufthansa group are consolidating their flights to US hubs and using United to interline passengers to their booked destination from next week - a much reduced schedule but maintaining a presence. As I mentioned a few days ago, I think EI will do this once folks have rebooked and rescheduled flights - thankfully they removed the fee, then fly those remaining flyers via JFK or BOS or ORD with a tuned schedule, interline them to finals, and suspend the rest of the network, then gradually rebuild it once we're over the hump. Hunker down time. Hope staff can job-share and keep working.

kevinandrew

California Dreamer wrote: »

Very interesting Aer Lingus news..........

There really is no need to post something as vague as that during the current crisis.

All it does is spread fear, uncertainty and worry.

joeysoap

Aer Lingus still don’t allow you to change airports ie if you booked Madrid your stuck with Madrid.

Jack1985

kevinandrew wrote: »

There really is no need to post something as vague as that during the current crisis.

All it does is spread fear, uncertainty and worry.

Categorically correct, ridiculous post.

Peregrine

Does anyone know what the loads to the US west coast are like these days? Interested in SFO and LAX, mostly.

I suppose it would have been fairly high the last two days to get in before the ban.

goingnowhere

joeysoap wrote: »

Aer Lingus still don’t allow you to change airports ie if you booked Madrid your stuck with Madrid.

Online only dates can be changed.

By phone any airport in the country is normally an option.

So DUB-MAD can be swapped to DUB-BCN, will EI honour the free change fee? I swapped a DUB-SFO-DUB to DUB-SFO/SEA-DUB over the phone in 5 minutes last month.

California Dreamer

Tenger wrote: »

Nothing in the public sphere that I can see.
I did see the warning from the BA CEO that aircraft will be grounded and staff laid off “perhaps for the short term”. He said this is worse than Sept 11th and the GFC of 2008.

If an IAG airline are saying that I guess EI will follow suit?
Granted EI are less dependant on high yield business travel and are a leaner operation than Iberia or BA.


Personally I think this event will be more severe than 2008 but probably shorter. (As in 6-12 months versus several years)

Sorry I should have put in a smiley face or a sarcastic emoji as I was sick of seeing non EI stuff and discussions about...whatever that was! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

California Dreamer

Peregrine wrote: »

Does anyone know what the loads to the US west coast are like these days? Interested in SFO and LAX, mostly.

I suppose it would have been fairly high the last two days to get in before the ban.

Yesterdays 109 had 40 no shows.

Nibs05

I see EI123 to ORD and EI137 to BOS haven’t departed yet

PinOnTheRight

Nibs05 wrote: »

I see EI123 to ORD and EI137 to BOS haven’t departed yet

I wouldn't be surprised if Preclearance is taking a little longer today with the new travel restrictions in force, could be down to that.

Bussywussy

PinOnTheRight wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if Preclearance is taking a little longer today with the new travel restrictions in force, could be down to that.

Correct

joeysoap

All travellers to Spain asked to self isolate

https://www.newstalk.com/news/people-returning-from-spain-italy-must-self-isolate-harris-982435

What about the crew?

I was talking to an AL cabin crew member this morning

Not even supplied with gloves. Fair enough they are only taking cards but I thought she had a valid point about no service and minimum contact with passengers. Said she has two back - to - back Spain trips this week and was worried enough about them. To cap it all said was going to USA next week and was afraid if anything showed up ( from the Spanish trips) she would be ‘stuck’ there.

JCX BXC

sherology wrote: »

EI to Gran Canaria and Lanzarote cancelled. Flying out to LPA on Tuesday. Are they pulling flights or transferring onto Ryanair (who have flights about the same times that are going/gone?

Cancellation is a cancellation.

I'd say wait and see, there's a good chance the situation will have changed immensely again by Tuesday.

Jet2 have cancelled all flights to Spain today, while they're a tour operation and hence all their flights are part of package holidays it makes more sense for them to cancel than traditional airlines, I'd say it's quite possible other airlines will follow suit.

However, the joys of all this new and evolving information is that nobody actually knows what's going to happen. Lots of questions, no answers.

sherology

JCX BXC wrote: »

Cancellation is a cancellation.

I'd say wait and see, there's a good chance the situation will have changed immensely again by Tuesday.

Jet2 have cancelled all flights to Spain today, while they're a tour operation and hence all their flights are part of package holidays it makes more sense for them to cancel than traditional airlines, I'd say it's quite possible other airlines will follow suit.

However, the joys of all this new and evolving information is that nobody actually knows what's going to happen. Lots of questions, no answers.

Just saw this on 'the' twitter:

Aer Lingus
@AerLingus
·
39m
Replying to
@gaelsno6
Hi, apologies for the cancellation today, we'ave had to cancel due to ATC restrictions in Lanzarote.. Please visiit our website to rebook travel.

Weird... Looks like a bunch of flights there are cancelled or delayed.

Skuxx

Sky News reporting that flight to the US from Ireland and UK will be included in the ban from Monday night!

kevinandrew

Not sure how an airline like Aer Lingus can approach this.

Demand must already be at an all time low across the network, this ban would simply be the cherry on top and will likely result in temporary groundings, a massive reduction in the route profile and unfortunately, inevitable layoffs.

This isn't going to fix itself in the summer, long term damage has been done to the industry and being able to bounce back quickly will be the least of everyone's concerns. Make the cuts now, protect the balance sheet as best as possible and if it means becoming a smaller carrier, then so be it.

It's very quickly becoming about survival.

Tenger

joeysoap wrote: »

......................
What about the crew?

I was talking to an AL cabin crew member this morning

Not even supplied with gloves. Fair enough they are only taking cards but I thought she had a valid point about no service and minimum contact with passengers. Said she has two back - to - back Spain trips this week and was worried enough about them. To cap it all said was going to USA next week and was afraid if anything showed up ( from the Spanish trips) she would be ‘stuck’ there.

Aer Lingus definitely have plastic/latex gloves available for crew. My missus’ new handbag has half a dozen “in case she forgets to collect when checking in”.

sherology

UK and IRL citizens banned from Monday night... So just US passengers can travel. Assume EI will drastically reduce flights from Monday and interline via main interline airports to final destination, then pull back almost totally.

sherology

Tenger wrote: »

Aer Lingus definitely have plastic/latex gloves available for crew. My missus’ new handbag has half a dozen “in case she forgets to collect when checking in”.

Remember, your skin is a virus/bacteria proof barrier. Gloves have zero use if you touch you mouth/face... It's just another 'skin'. Easier to sterilise an ungloved hand with alcohol after each touch event (door handles etc.). Touch transfer is the problem not the touch material. Use contactless payment if possible instead of chip and pin and money/change. Use eldbows if possible. Sterilise hands after each 'guest' interaction if anything is transferred to you... Etc.

kona

sherology wrote: »

Remember, your skin is a virus/bacteria proof barrier. Gloves have zero use if you touch you mouth/face... It's just another 'skin'. Easier to sterilise an ungloved hand with alcohol after each touch event (door handles etc.). Touch transfer is the problem not the touch material. Use contactless payment if possible instead of chip and pin and money/change. Use eldbows if possible. Sterilise hands after each 'guest' interaction if anything is transferred to you... Etc.

What if you have a cut on your hand?

sherology

kona wrote: »

What if you have a cut on your hand?

Stay home and lock yourself on the basement with your toilet rolls

Jack1985

The CEO sent a video message to all employees today.

Aer Lingus have been building resillience throughout this, all non essential costs (only those to provide a safe and secure operation of flights) have been curtailed. Demand has indeed been falling off and they have been planning for an Atlantic ban. For Flight Ops and Cabin Crew both have been asked to consider part time or unpaid leave, the new roster has been delayed to take account of a severly reduced operation.

EI employees will come together to support the airline in this unforseen event. It cannot be ruled out now that a complete grounding of operations may be required here.

joeysoap

I fully accept Tengers word that the staff are provided with gloves. This cabin crew member said she wasn’t, obviously not correct. I assume they have sanitizers on board. Shouldn’t assist with luggage or bags though, don’t know where they’ve been.

Jack1985

joeysoap wrote: »

I fully accept Tengers word that the staff are provided with gloves. This cabin crew member said she wasn’t, obviously not correct. I assume they have sanitizers on board. Shouldn’t assist with luggage or bags though, don’t know where they’ve been.

To be perfectly honest this is not the forum for discussions on this material. To be categorically matter of fact, appropriate PPE is provided for employees. When some people are concerned they speak out but it's not appropriate for crew members to be having discussions like this with revenue passengers.

The appropriate measures are in place, what would help is if the travelling public had the cop on to realise leaving santisiing wipes in seats goes against common sense. Some EI flight deck are making specific announcements to refrain from handing tissues to crew or leaving them in seat pockets. Unbelieveable its a requirment to advise adults to do this even in this current situation that they expect someone else to clean up their own tissues.

Nibs05

Is this ban for everyone or are US citizens still allowed to fly, I’m just thinking we could see only NEO flying to the states.

Jack1985

Nibs05 wrote: »

Is this ban for everyone or are US citizens still allowed to fly, I’m just thinking we could see only NEO flying to the states.

All European citizens will be denied entry to US ports for the duration of the proclamation.

US citizens will be permitted to return home at any time. However it will not be operationally feasible to cater to flying somewhat 1/3 busy inbounds and empty outbounds. Demand has dried up and travel bans exacerbate any remaining demand.

It may be more feasible to stop all costs and ground the airline.

Nibs05

Jack1985 wrote: »

All European citizens will be denied entry to US ports for the duration of the proclamation.

US citizens will be permitted to return home at any time. However it will not be operationally feasible to cater to flying somewhat 1/3 busy inbounds and empty outbounds. Demand has dried up and travel bans exacerbate any remaining demand.

It may be more feasible to stop all costs and ground the airline.

Thanks

kona

Jack1985 wrote: »

All European citizens will be denied entry to US ports for the duration of the proclamation.

US citizens will be permitted to return home at any time. However it will not be operationally feasible to cater to flying somewhat 1/3 busy inbounds and empty outbounds. Demand has dried up and travel bans exacerbate any remaining demand.

It may be more feasible to stop all costs and ground the airline.

Cargo ops makes up a large chuck of business.

Jack1985

kona wrote: »

Cargo ops makes up a large chuck of business.

At a time where every country in the network is under pressure (and the situation is changing by the hour) with demand floored I'm not sure cargo will keep aircraft flying like it did post 2008.

There has to be a willingness here to accept harsh measures to ensure future viability.

kona

Jack1985 wrote: »

At a time where every country in the network is under pressure (and the situation is changing by the hour) with demand floored I'm not sure cargo will keep aircraft flying like it did post 2008.

There has to be a willingness here to accept harsh measures to ensure future viability.

Absolutely, alot of staff are going to get bad news either way.

Cargo will keep flying as long as there is demand, the cost will go up.

Nijmegen

Jack1985 wrote: »

It cannot be ruled out now that a complete grounding of operations may be required here.

Wowsa

kevinandrew

kona wrote: »

Cargo ops makes up a large chuck of business.

Didn't the original ban extend to cargo?

Nijmegen

kevinandrew wrote: »

Didn't the original ban extend to cargo?

Nah that was quickly clarified.

But if demand is falling off in the economy with everyone stuck at home, perhaps cargo volumes are gonna drop too and will be consolidated into airlines flying freighters.

kona

kevinandrew wrote: »

Didn't the original ban extend to cargo?

I assumed it was just people. Alot of medical supplies get transported by aer lingus, even body parts.

LXFlyer

kevinandrew wrote: »

Didn't the original ban extend to cargo?

No it did not.

That was another Trump mistake.

It was clarified by the Dept of Homeland Security afterwards.

jucylucy

All that belly freight still needs to go each way also so we may see pax aircraft going empty!