Hooligans

5starpool

Feyenoord fans in Rome today.



If this had been done by English fans it'd have been reported far more widely I suspect, but it is still a blight that hasn't gone away. The majority of people who go abroad to watch football are great, but these disgraceful scenes are still a blight on the game.

Gavin "shels"

Happens every weekend across Europe, and in England for that matter. It's a culture that will never go away tbh.

dan1895

If they were English it would get more widely reported as English teams have a much bigger global audience therefore reporting it sells more papers.

CSF

Shocking human beings.

Harry Palmr

Guardian carried a full story about foreign hooligans. I expect Der Telegraaf has a story as well.

ricero

Vile humans the man in that picture reeks of thuggery and poverty

dreamers75

Strange one really, English media vilify any incident of racism (rightly so) but turn a blind eye to hooliganism. Its the blanket non coverage of fights that go on every single week at almost every game.

Whereas in Europe the media rarely comment on hooliganism but if an English club was involved it would in all of their papers. yet when European clubs fans do something racist....ah sure its grand.....

thebaz

would they behave so in Russia or Poland ?

Or Istanbul or Marseilles for that matter ?

Somehow I think not.

Oat23

They should all be jailed for the damage they caused. How people can go abroad and behave in such a manner never ceases to amaze me.

http://www.corrieredellosport.it/foto/attualita/2015/02/19-107762_0/FOTO+Roma-Feyenoord%2C+Barcaccia+danneggiata+dagli+hooligan

That fountain was built in the 1600s and these tools broke it with bottles and fireworks.

dreamers75

thebaz wrote: »

would they behave so in Russia or Poland ?

Or Istanbul or Marseilles for that matter ?

Somehow I think not.

Yes...yes they would.

Have you been to any of these places? The **** hat goes on there makes pissing on a fountain seem cuddly.

Richard Hillman

"Away days" I suppose. Vile stuff

thebaz

dreamers75 wrote: »

Yes...yes they would.

Have you been to any of these places? The **** hat goes on there makes pissing on a fountain seem cuddly.

I'm no expert , but thought most West European hooligans stayed well clear of Poland and Russia ??

asdfgh86

ricero wrote: »

Vile humans the man in that picture reeks of thuggery and poverty

ricero wrote: »

Vile people. They reek of poverty and thuggery

What is your obsession with linking hooliganism and poverty? The people you mention had enough money to buy flights and match tickets so they're hardly destitute. They're just thugs.

[And being poor does not make someone a bad person by the way, so I think you should go easy on this 'reeking of poverty' talk]

The_Kew_Tour

ricero wrote: »

Vile humans the man in that picture reeks of thuggery and poverty

You like a good Prawn Sandwich I say.

cunnifferous

I think he's done ok for Ireland when given the chance. Granted Martin O'Neill is never gonna play him much and he should have progressed to a bigger club than Norwich at this stage but the abuse he's gotten in this thread is a bit ott imo.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

cunnifferous wrote: »

I think he's done ok for Ireland when given the chance. Granted Martin O'Neill is never gonna play him much and he should have progressed to a bigger club than Norwich at this stage but the abuse he's gotten in this thread is a bit ott imo.

Who ricero? Never seen him play tbh.

Richard Hillman

asdfgh86 wrote: »

What is your obsession with linking hooliganism and poverty? The people you mention had enough money to buy flights and match tickets so they're hardly destitute. They're just thugs.

[And being poor does not make someone a bad person by the way, so I think you should go easy on this 'reeking of poverty' talk]

It's not a coincidence that hooliganism dropped in England as soon as ticket prices went up and football went to subscription tv

Guy:Incognito

Is the 2nd guy attempting to swaddled himself with his jacket or make a handbag out of it or what?

spiralism

dan1895 wrote: »

If they were English it would get more widely reported as English teams have a much bigger global audience therefore reporting it sells more papers.

Yes but Feyenoord do have this reputation unfortunately. Hooliganism is actually a big thing in holland though, Ajax kick off quite a lot as well and there's a lot of bad **** that goes down between clubs. Ajax have had their clubhouse burned down by ADO and Feyenoord fans in the past decade, in the case with ADO their retaliation was to try and burn it down with people inside. The 80s terrace culture went following Hillsborough and SKY commercialism but it remains here to some extent.

Holland has a much bigger problem with hooligans than Britain nowadays, to the point where Feyenoord and Ajax have banned away fans in the fixture totally as preventing violence at the fixture just wasn't possible. ADO and Ajax also share a similar banning arrangement and another has been discussed between FC Utrecht and Ajax.

Lukker-

asdfgh86 wrote: »

What is your obsession with linking hooliganism and poverty? The people you mention had enough money to buy flights and match tickets so they're hardly destitute. They're just thugs.

[And being poor does not make someone a bad person by the way, so I think you should go easy on this 'reeking of poverty' talk]

Just to back you up on this point I think he said it regards the racists on the Metro too.

2 of the guys suspended went to grammar school that costs £30k a year. Please leave your class warfare out of it.

It's vile and reeks of bigotry.

dfx-

spiralism wrote: »

Holland has a much bigger problem with hooligans than Britain nowadays, to the point where Feyenoord and Ajax have banned away fans in the fixture totally as preventing violence at the fixture just wasn't possible. ADO and Ajax also share a similar banning arrangement and another has been discussed between FC Utrecht and Ajax.

Was there a particular incident that banned the away fans at Ajax/Feyenoord. It has its reputation as a troublesome fixture for a while including pre-planned riots/fights away from the grounds, so was there something that tipped it over?

Has the fact that they can't enter the ground made any difference to the pre-organised stuff away from the stadia?

inforfun

Just like a few years ago when Nancy had a visit from Feyenoord, a lot of this is caused by the lack of organisation from the home club.
Just as Nancy, Roma was warned not to sell any tickets to Dutch people themselves but had Feyenoord regulate it.
Feyenoord has sold 5000 tickets to fans.
Reports are, there were 7000 Feyenoord "fans".
And since it is very hard to get an away ticket via Feyenoord (being vetted for the police is probably less strict) i know in which part of those 7000 the problem is.

But of course, selling few thousand tickets extra is always nice money.
That they then forget they are selling tickets to people who havent seen a stadium from the inside since the mid 90's because of stadium bans.... yeah well. At least the club has the €50 for the ticket in their pockets.
It also wouldn't surprise me 1 bit if a lot of those with a stadium ban didnt even bother going for a ticket.
It was well known there would be 1000's going to that match. no better cover than that if you are looking for trouble

But it doesnt help telling a few thousand people that they cant walk to the stadium, that they have to take buses and then dont provide buses.
Drive a few thousand people into a bottle neck, narrow street and once there is no movement whatsoever, start beating the crap out of the last people who entered that street.

Does that excuse what happened? Not at all.

But i already know what the UEFA will do. Just as in Nancy (probably just a coincidence but that is where Platini started his carreer) full blame will be put on Feyenoord because it is so easy to put down the club with a bad reputation from a "small" football country.

That the **** happened outside a stadium in a city Feyenoord has no control over... well.

anncoates

Richard Hillman wrote: »

It's not a coincidence that hooliganism dropped in England as soon as ticket prices went up and football went to subscription tv

Hasn't 'dropped'

Just away from the grounds now and more low key because of policing and cctv.

inforfun

anncoates wrote: »

Hasn't 'dropped'

Just away from the grounds now and more low key because of policing and cctv.

Exactly.
That it isnt happening in the stadiums and therefore not on sky sports, doesnt mean it is not happening at all.

Not sure about the English clubs but during the summer there are Feyenoord - Ajax clashes on the Spanish costa's.
It is ridiculous but it does happen.

Lovely Bloke

inforfun wrote: »

Just like a few years ago when Nancy had a visit from Feyenoord, a lot of this is caused by the lack of organisation from the home club.
Just as Nancy, Roma was warned not to sell any tickets to Dutch people themselves but had Feyenoord regulate it.
Feyenoord has sold 5000 tickets to fans.
Reports are, there were 7000 Feyenoord "fans".
And since it is very hard to get an away ticket via Feyenoord (being vetted for the police is probably less strict) i know in which part of those 7000 the problem is.

But of course, selling few thousand tickets extra is always nice money.
That they then forget they are selling tickets to people who havent seen a stadium from the inside since the mid 90's because of stadium bans.... yeah well. At least the club has the €50 for the ticket in their pockets.
It also wouldn't surprise me 1 bit if a lot of those with a stadium ban didnt even bother going for a ticket.
It was well known there would be 1000's going to that match. no better cover than that if you are looking for trouble

But it doesnt help telling a few thousand people that they cant walk to the stadium, that they have to take buses and then dont provide buses.
Drive a few thousand people into a bottle neck, narrow street and once there is no movement whatsoever, start beating the crap out of the last people who entered that street.

Does that excuse what happened? Not at all.

But i already know what the UEFA will do. Just as in Nancy (probably just a coincidence but that is where Platini started his carreer) full blame will be put on Feyenoord because it is so easy to put down the club with a bad reputation from a "small" football country.

That the **** happened outside a stadium in a city Feyenoord has no control over... well.

Wow.

Gavin "shels"

inforfun wrote: »

Exactly.
That it isnt happening in the stadiums and therefore not on sky sports, doesnt mean it is not happening at all.

Not sure about the English clubs but during the summer there are Feyenoord - Ajax clashes on the Spanish costa's.
It is ridiculous but it does happen.

Wasn't there some FA and Sky deal not to report on Hooliganism at the start of the Premiership?

Lovely Bloke

Gavin shels wrote: »

Wasn't there some FA and Sky deal not to report on Hooliganism at the start of the Premiership?

link?

Gavin "shels"

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

link?

Not saying it is, vaguely remember something years ago about it.

Lovely Bloke

Gavin shels wrote: »

Not saying it is, vaguely remember something years ago about it.

it sounds ridiculous

Gavin "shels"

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

it sounds ridiculous

It's the FA.... they didn't want their "brand" tarnished.

Lovely Bloke

Gavin shels wrote: »

It's the FA.... they didn't want their "brand" tarnished.

Hmm, that would make sense if the FA ran the EPL, but they don't.

So...where does that leave us.

The EPL is not the FA's brand.

inforfun

Wouldnt surprise me if troubles in the stands get the same treatment as a streaker on the pitch.

Richard Hillman

anncoates wrote: »

Hasn't 'dropped'

Just away from the grounds now and more low key because of policing and cctv.

You are telling me that right now there has not been a reduction in the amount of people engaging in thuggery in and around football matches since the early 90's? really?

klose

Id imagine the roma "fans" will return the favour in rotterdam.

klose

klose wrote: »

Id imagine the roma "fans" will return the favour in rotterdam.

Yeah Roma fans are well known for it. Lazio too.

inforfun

2400 Roma fans next week in Rotterdam.

We'll see but i know the authorities in Rotterdam are quite capable in dealing with supporters at football matches.

uch

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Hmm, that would make sense if the FA ran the EPL, but they don't.

So...where does that leave us.

The EPL is not the FA's brand.

Yes it is

keeponhurling

It is the number one headline in Dutch media at the moment ( not just sport sections) , on sites like nu.nl

It hasn't exactly passed under the radar or anything.....

batistuta9

uch wrote: »

Yes it is

how is it?

CSF

dfx- wrote: »

Was there a particular incident that banned the away fans at Ajax/Feyenoord. It has its reputation as a troublesome fixture for a while including pre-planned riots/fights away from the grounds, so was there something that tipped it over?

Has the fact that they can't enter the ground made any difference to the pre-organised stuff away from the stadia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Beverwijk

Not sure if this was the exact timing of when the rule came in but as far as I'm aware it was a massive factor.

CSF

inforfun wrote: »

Just like a few years ago when Nancy had a visit from Feyenoord, a lot of this is caused by the lack of organisation from the home club.
Just as Nancy, Roma was warned not to sell any tickets to Dutch people themselves but had Feyenoord regulate it.
Feyenoord has sold 5000 tickets to fans.
Reports are, there were 7000 Feyenoord "fans".
And since it is very hard to get an away ticket via Feyenoord (being vetted for the police is probably less strict) i know in which part of those 7000 the problem is.

But of course, selling few thousand tickets extra is always nice money.
That they then forget they are selling tickets to people who havent seen a stadium from the inside since the mid 90's because of stadium bans.... yeah well. At least the club has the €50 for the ticket in their pockets.
It also wouldn't surprise me 1 bit if a lot of those with a stadium ban didnt even bother going for a ticket.
It was well known there would be 1000's going to that match. no better cover than that if you are looking for trouble

But it doesnt help telling a few thousand people that they cant walk to the stadium, that they have to take buses and then dont provide buses.
Drive a few thousand people into a bottle neck, narrow street and once there is no movement whatsoever, start beating the crap out of the last people who entered that street.

Does that excuse what happened? Not at all.

But i already know what the UEFA will do. Just as in Nancy (probably just a coincidence but that is where Platini started his carreer) full blame will be put on Feyenoord because it is so easy to put down the club with a bad reputation from a "small" football country.

That the **** happened outside a stadium in a city Feyenoord has no control over... well.

Inclined to agree with this in parts. You can't be selling tickets to fans who aren't even able to buy tickets for their home games (Dutch football is very strictly regulated in terms of match tickets and if you're not a member you're going to find it very difficult to get in), and then blame the opposing club who actually take measures to keep hooligans out.

Yes its shocking that Feyenoord have that element attached to it and that measures have to be taken, and I'm certainly glad its much less prominent over here, but proper organisation on the part of the home team can go a long way towards stopping this.

citytillidie

batistuta9 wrote: »

how is it?

Sleeve badges might be different now for sponsorship.

But the name when started was "The FA Premier League", it broke away from the Football League which runs the Championship, League 1 and League 2.

batistuta9

citytillidie wrote: »

Sleeve badges might be different now for sponsorship.

But the name when started was "The FA Premier League", it broke away from the Football League which runs the Championship, League 1 and League 2.

it's under the jurisdiction of the FA - like the football league, etc - but they (20 clubs) control the brand, marketing, even rules themselves
edit: rules, like the FFP or whatever they impose. majority of 14 to carry.
if the FA controlled it, you'd think they'd force them to be more accommodating to the NT

Whosthis

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

it sounds ridiculous

Nothing ridiculous about it, Rupert Murdoch ploughs millions into English football to secure the broadcast rights for Sky Sports, is he then going to turn around and broadcast scenes of hooliganism on Sky News to destroy the image of what he's just spent a fortune on?

Lovely Bloke

Whosthis wrote: »

Nothing ridiculous about it, Rupert Murdoch ploughs millions into English football to secure the broadcast rights for Sky Sports, is he then going to turn around and broadcast scenes of hooliganism on Sky News to destroy the image of what he's just spent a fortune on?

Sky is not the only news outlet, for example, ITN/ITV have no vested interest usually, and they don't report it, neither do Ch4, and they've never been shy to do in-depth reports on all kinds of stuff and there's no doubt that if football holiganism was still so widespread they'd be all over it.

Whosthis

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Sky is not the only news outlet, for example, ITN/ITV have no vested interest usually, and they don't report it, neither do Ch4, and they've never been shy to do in-depth reports on all kinds of stuff and there's no doubt that if football holiganism was still so widespread they'd be all over it.

The original comment that you disagreed with was regarding an agreement between The FA and Sky.

Omackeral

Lukker- wrote: »

Just to back you up on this point I think he said it regards the racists on the Metro too.

2 of the guys suspended went to grammar school that costs £30k a year. Please leave your class warfare out of it.

It's vile and reeks of bigotry.

Also said it on the Landsdowne Road riots of 1995 when a few head the balls went into town to confront the English tramps causing a ruckus. Seems to be a catchphrase of his. It's very Ross O Carroll-Kelly sounding.

Wacker The Attacker

ricero wrote: »

Vile humans the man in that picture reeks of thuggery and poverty

How can you tell? Experience tells me that things are very rarely that straight forward.

Saipanne

Is this a soccer only phenomenon?

Dozen Wicked Words

Saipanne wrote: »

Is this a soccer only phenomenon?

No it happens in most town centres on Friday and Saturday nights.

Wacker The Attacker

Richard Hillman wrote: »

You are telling me that right now there has not been a reduction in the amount of people engaging in thuggery in and around football matches since the early 90's? really?

There's an element of truth in that. I've a season ticket at an English PL club and have had experience of several very serious incidents that went completely unreported by the mainstream media.