Principal Officer in the Civil Service

lfp

Rosen wrote: »

windyout wrote: »

Received a notification about the Higher PO. Another application form to be completed (after a quick glance it seems to be much the same as the PO form) by the 17th and then shortlisting will take place in December.

The thought of another interview is sending shivers down my spine :eek:

I agree, I don't have the stomach for another one so soon.

Rosen

Just to save me contacting them, does anyone know if a regional breakdown is yet available from the PAS?
Thanks

Riskymove

lfp wrote: »

I agree, I don't have the stomach for another one so soon.

in fairness I view PO1 as an outside chance bonus at this point

I will throw hat in the ring but have no expectation given that we would be competing against lots of exsiting POs some of whom will be very experienced.

Even to get shortlisted for interview would be an achievement I think

lfp

Rosen wrote: »

Just to save me contacting them, does anyone know if a regional breakdown is yet available from the PAS?
Thanks

I heard from a colleague who contacted PAS that no regional rankings will be issued, but the regional placings will be used.

Rosen

Cheers. Does this mean you may not be informed where you are on a specific location panel but that if a post becomes available in a location PAS will go through the entire list at that point and identify who is 'next' for that location?

lfp

Rosen wrote: »

Cheers. Does this mean you may not be informed where you are on a specific location panel but that if a post becomes available in a location PAS will go through the entire list at that point and identify who is 'next' for that location?

That's how I took it also!

Riskymove

latest anecdote is some 20 people placed for Counsellor and now DFA looking have more interviews in January

urban sprawl

Riskymove wrote: »

latest anecdote is some 20 people placed for Counsellor and now DFA looking have more interviews in January

I am top 20 and have heard nothing! Will post if I do.

Riskymove

urban sprawl wrote: »

I am top 20 and have heard nothing! Will post if I do.

I meant 20 placed on panel rather than assigned a job

Omnishambles99

urban sprawl wrote: »

I am top 20 and have heard nothing! Will post if I do.

Indeed it would be strange to promote 20 counsellors off the open panel - there aren't that many counsellor positions to warrant that - taking into account there are the internals to consider

Riskymove

Omnishambles99 wrote: »

Indeed it would be strange to promote 20 counsellors off the open panel - there aren't that many counsellor positions to warrant that - taking into account there are the internals to consider

the panel is for two years

Rosen

Is there any clarity as to when the new PO panel becomes live?

Riskymove

Rosen wrote: »

Is there any clarity as to when the new PO panel becomes live?

nope

we haven't seen anyone here indicate that they are in clearance as of yet

windyout

Riskymove wrote: »

nope

we haven't seen anyone here indicate that they are in clearance as of yet

I'm presuming (hoping) that they'll tell us before they start making contact with references? I'll need to have a conversation with my reference beforehand but i'm holding off on that until I'm 100% that the move is imminent.

lfp

windyout wrote: »

Riskymove wrote: »

nope

we haven't seen anyone here indicate that they are in clearance as of yet

I'm presuming (hoping) that they'll tell us before they start making contact with references? I'll need to have a conversation with my reference beforehand but i'm holding off on that until I'm 100% that the move is imminent.

The vibes I've gotten is clearance won't be bulked as with previous panels as the volume won't be there to justify it. Clearance will be one or two at a time as requests to fill vacancies arise.

Murraymint81

Does anyone know of regions where there are PO vacancies waiting to be filled?

Thanks

Rosen

I don't think that information is available.

Rosen

Just to update, I called PAS who gave very little information except to say that the panel may not be live until after Christmas.:(
Very little info apart from that.......

lfp

Rosen wrote: »

Just to update, I called PAS who gave very little information except to say that the panel may not be live until after Christmas.:(
Very little info apart from that.......

Thanks for the update. If the old panel has been expired, then the effect if this delay will just be that 3 or 4 (or more?) posts will be filled in one go in the new year instead of a drip feed of one by one posts from early November on. I assume the hold up is the Counsellor panel sorting offers/clearance, etc.

Nocrac

lfp wrote: »

Thanks for the update. If the old panel has been expired, then the effect if this delay will just be that 3 or 4 (or more?) posts will be filled in one go in the new year instead of a drip feed of one by one posts from early November on. I assume the hold up is the Counsellor panel sorting offers/clearance, etc.

I think the old panel is still in place until the new one goes live?

Also I would say that the hold up is due to the PO Higher competition - shortlisting for that will take place in December.

Rosen

Nocrac wrote: »

I think the old panel is still in place until the new one goes live?

Also I would say that the hold up is due to the PO Higher competition - shortlisting for that will take place in December.

Yes, old panel still in place until new one comes online. A post was filled in the last couple of weeks from it.

Nocrac

Rosen wrote: »

Yes, old panel still in place until new one comes online. A post was filled in the last couple of weeks from it.

The new panel is now live. Regional placings are also now known but are somewhat meaningless as most candidates will have selected two locations. Also some of those who selected regional locations may be also be placed on the Counsellor and PO Higher panels and presumably those will mostly be Dublin positions.

lfp

Nocrac wrote: »

Rosen wrote: »

Yes, old panel still in place until new one comes online. A post was filled in the last couple of weeks from it.

The new panel is now live. Regional placings are also now known but are somewhat meaningless as most candidates will have selected two locations. Also some of those who selected regional locations may be also be placed on the Counsellor and PO Higher panels and presumably those will mostly be Dublin positions.

Has someone been placed off the new panel then?

Nocrac

lfp wrote: »

Has someone been placed off the new panel then?

I didn't ask. PAS just told me the old one was closed and the new one was live.

lfp

Nocrac wrote: »

lfp wrote: »

Has someone been placed off the new panel then?

I didn't ask. PAS just told me the old one was closed and the new one was live.

Thanks.

Rosen

lfp wrote: »

Has someone been placed off the new panel then?

Thanks Nocrac. If we ring up will they tell us our regional place?

Nocrac

Rosen wrote: »

Thanks Nocrac. If we ring up will they tell us our regional place?

They should do. They told me anyways.

Riskymove

Nocrac wrote: »

They should do. They told me anyways.

I was told they were not releasing that info!!

has anyone else gotten any updates on this

Nocrac

Riskymove wrote: »

I was told they were not releasing that info!!

has anyone else gotten any updates on this

I was told my place but itcould be that they've decided against it as the info is unreliable due to people now being on the Counsellor panel, the pending PO higher panel and people selecting two location preferences?

Rosen

Nocrac wrote: »

I was told my place but itcould be that they've decided against it as the info is unreliable due to people now being on the Counsellor panel, the pending PO higher panel and people selecting two location preferences?

I was told mine too when I called

Nocrac

Pre-selection for PO Higher starts tomorrow - online video interview.

ShellyMCD

Nocrac wrote: »

Pre-selection for PO Higher starts tomorrow - online video interview.

A video interview was used to shortlist for the AP higher early this year as well.

Riskymove

The panle has started just 1 person placed

around 5 have gone off panel as Counsellor

around 80 made the panel - so quite a high failure rate given around 200 were called to assessment

Xofpod

Riskymove wrote: »

The panle has started just 1 person placed

around 5 have gone off panel as Counsellor

around 80 made the panel - so quite a high failure rate given around 200 were called to assessment

How do people assess the odds of them calling a second batch for interview/assessment centre? Are they likely to work through a panel of 80 in its lifetime? I believe they got up to about 120 in the previous panel.

Riskymove

Xofpod wrote: »

How do people assess the odds of them calling a second batch for interview/assessment centre? Are they likely to work through a panel of 80 in its lifetime? I believe they got up to about 120 in the previous panel.

no idea but it seems unlikely in short term

Riskymove

Latest from Union

Principal Officer Competitions
2017 Open PO Panel:
A panel of 78 is effective since 21st November 2017. One person has been placed. The Association has informed DPER that it is desirable that a closure date is specified for future competitions. There is no closure date specified for the current panel. DPER advises that such panels usually exist for in or around a two-year period. There were 1639 applicants for the competition with only 9% of successful candidates from the private sector.

Riskymove

a handful of people now assigned

I appreciate with only 78 on panel that there may be only a few of us on Boards but any updates or news is appreciated

Maybenever

Very much so, made the panel but lower down the order.

CalvinBalti

Riskymove wrote: »

Latest from Union

Does that mean 9% of the 80 are external (about 7 people from outside made it)? Or am I reading this wrong?

Riskymove

CalvinBalti wrote: »

Does that mean 9% of the 80 are external (about 7 people from outside made it)?

Yes

Rosen

Riskymove wrote: »

a handful of people now assigned

Hi - First 10 off the panel are in clearance, some of these 10 already have formal offers. All 10 posts so far are in Dublin from a variety of Departments.

windyout

Higher PO results are out. Its a thumbs down for me. Not surprised as I knew I bombed one of the 3 online interview questions.
I did wonder afterwards if I should have sought the help of a HR type expert to help me prepare a script for the 3 interview questions. We were given the 3 questions a week beforehand so there was plenty of time. I presume that there will be another interview stage anyway so maybe its a moot point.
Anyway not to worry - the main panel seems to be moving.

adrem

Riskymove wrote: »

Yes

So if there are 7 on the PO panel do we know how many (if any) external (non existing civil servants) got selected on the Counsellor panel and on the PO (higher) panel?

Riskymove

adrem wrote: »

So if there are 7 on the PO panel do we know how many (if any) external (non existing civil servants) got selected on the Counsellor panel and on the PO (higher) panel?

nothing official

I heard one outside person got counsellor

PO1 is still in progress

windyout

adrem wrote: »

So if there are 7 on the PO panel do we know how many (if any) external (non existing civil servants) got selected on the Counsellor panel and on the PO (higher) panel?

Well I can name 1 of the 7 external who made the PO panel but didn't make the higher PO

Rosen

Does anyone know of any more movement on the panel? Up to number 10 was the last I heard....

Riskymove

Rosen wrote: »

Does anyone know of any more movement on the panel? Up to number 10 was the last I heard....

that was last I heard

I am not sure how many of the 6 gone to Counsellor Panel are beyond number which would lower numbers further.



I would not expect more than say 4 or 5 a month tbh

Riskymove

anyone heard of any more assignments?

SJ.

Riskymove wrote: »

anyone heard of any more assignments?

I heard up to around 15

Rosen

Yeah, 15 in/gone through clearance, some placed already, some have turned down posts - all offers made so far are to the Dublin panel.