BMW

Idbatterim

not that it is ideal, but hasnt the price to get the work done on the n47 timing chain issue fallen dramatically? I.e. when it was 4-5k it was one thing, 1.5k while hardly ideal, is it enough to put you off a car, where you MIGHT suffer the issue...

Summer wind

Went to a BMW and Mercedes dealer today. I was offered €27,000 by the BMW dealer and €30,000 by the Mercedes dealer. I've never driven an E Class though so don't know what they are like. Dealers getting in a 141 plate auto next week so I'm going to try that and see what I think. I know the E200 has only 136bhp so I don't know.

The BMW dealer only had an auto 518d so I drove that and it was ok and it has 150 bhp so is more powerful than the E Class. Totally confused now.

Idbatterim

I thought the 518d had 136bhp?

Summer wind

No the 518d has 150 bhp and the 520d has 190 bhp. The 518d didn't feel too bad but I would rather the 520d.

Idbatterim

this is a total curve ball, but would you consider waiting until later this year for one of these?

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/02/23/2016-land-rover-range-rover-evoque-official-geneva/#image-11

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/02/23/2016-land-rover-range-rover-evoque-official-geneva/#image-11

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/bmw/5-series/first-drives/bmw-518d-saloon-first-drive-review

so the 518d is 9.4 0-100 and the 520d is 7.7, marginally better on fuel and what E10 extra per year to tax, Id be taking the 20d all day long...

Oafley Jones

Idbatterim wrote: »

this is a total curve ball, but would you consider waiting until later this year for one of these?

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/02/23/2016-land-rover-range-rover-evoque-official-geneva/#image-11

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/02/23/2016-land-rover-range-rover-evoque-official-geneva/#image-11

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/bmw/5-series/first-drives/bmw-518d-saloon-first-drive-review

so the 518d is 9.4 0-100 and the 520d is 7.7, marginally better on fuel and what E10 extra per year to tax, Id be taking the 20d all day long...

I've gone from absolutely hating those, to actually wanting one recently.

Summer wind

I like it at the front but go around the back and it's a different story. I'd be worried about reliability too although there are two 07 range rovers and a 141 disco near me and they are never off the road so you never know.

Oafley Jones

Summer wind wrote: »

I like it at the front but go around the back and it's a different story. I'd be worried about reliability too although there are two 07 range rovers and a 141 disco near me and they are never off the road so you never know.

Meant, to be incredibly solid. The Evoque that is.

Again, I used to rant at them when I saw them in traffic... Was looking them up on autotrader this morning. Still, if I had the money (I don't) and was buying new (I won't), I'd find it very hard not to completely pass them over for the Disco Sport. Better looking, larger, cheaper and more versatile. Although I'd wait for the new engine.

Summer wind

Yeah I know what you mean. I hate the way a lot of SUVs have been made to look like hatchbacks on stilts. I don't like the new Rav 4 or Nissan X-Trail. I was considering the X3 but I don't think I could look at it everyday:) and the new Honda CRV is terrible. I wouldn't mind a new Disco though:)

bazz26

Summer wind wrote: »

Went to a BMW and Mercedes dealer today. I was offered €27,000 by the BMW dealer and €30,000 by the Mercedes dealer. I've never driven an E Class though so don't know what they are like. Dealers getting in a 141 plate auto next week so I'm going to try that and see what I think. I know the E200 has only 136bhp so I don't know.

The BMW dealer only had an auto 518d so I drove that and it was ok and it has 150 bhp so is more powerful than the E Class. Totally confused now.

Concentrate on the cost to change price rather than what they are offering you for your current car. Also you need to compare like with like. An E200 cost less than a 520d when new so will have a lower resale value. So the dealer could be allowing you €30k but adding it back onto the price of the E200.

Summer wind

Yeah I know it's just very tempting when you hear an increase of €3,000. The Mercedes man said it's an E200 and he wants about €42,000 for it so that would be €12,000 to change to that 141 plate.

The BMW man said €27,000 for mine and was looking for €45,000 for a 141 reg 518d which I thought was mad because that would cost €18,000 to change. 518ds with 141 plates can be got for about 42,000. I know you have to take spec on each car into consideration but even so thats a bit much. I think I'd prefer a 520d so will probably try to wait for one of those if I go for another BMW.

Casati

bazz26 wrote: »

Concentrate on the cost to change price rather than what they are offering you for your current car. Also you need to compare like with like. An E200 cost less than a 520d when new so will have a lower resale value. So the dealer could be allowing you €30k but adding it back onto the price of the E200.

There isn't much difference between the price of both of those cars- depends on the spec and any extra's.

Casati

Summer wind wrote: »

Yeah I know it's just very tempting when you hear an increase of €3,000. The Mercedes man said it's an E200 and he wants about €42,000 for it so that would be €12,000 to change to that 141 plate.

The BMW man said €27,000 for mine and was looking for €45,000 for a 141 reg 518d which I thought was mad because that would cost €18,000 to change. 518ds with 141 plates can be got for about 42,000. I know you have to take spec on each car into consideration but even so thats a bit much. I think I'd prefer a 520d so will probably try to wait for one of those if I go for another BMW.

What model E class did you look at? If its an Elegance then 12k to trade up two years to similar priced car new sounds like a very good deal, much better than paying more than that to get into a year older BMW. The E200 sounds underpowered but its a nice car to drive, especially with the latest gearbox which makes great use of the power available. I dont know where BMW keep the horses in the 520d as although they are nice, they dont feel like 50bhp more than the E200

Summer wind

I haven't seen the car yet as it won't be with the dealer until next week but I'd say it's the elegance model as that's the one we were discussing. I've never driven one I've just read reviews so looking forward to giving it a spin. I sat in one today and it seemed very comfortable.

I drove the 518d today but it was on a main road for a couple of miles so it's hard to tell but I think I'd prefer a 520d. I've been offered a 24 hour test of the 518d but I don't know if I will. I think if I buy one I'd always be sorry I didn't get the 520d.

Voodoomelon

A little OT, but a local business man parks outside my house every day. He had a black 131 520d M-Sport with great looking 20" wheels. Last year this car changed into a 141 420d. It was common knowledge that he didn't like it at all.

Lo and behold, I looked across the street the other day and there's a black 151 520d M-Sport with the same 20" wheels.

Summer wind

And all the 518ds have model designation deletion as if they are ashamed to be driving them. Dealer told me yesterday that at the auctions they buy from 518ds are plentiful while 520ds are like needles in a haystack.

Idbatterim

summerwind, I read the brand new 518d with the B47 engine has 148bhp, but when I was on autotrader looking up 2013 ones, they definetly said 143... Wikipedia says 141bhp

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201502040671140/sort/default/postcode/ls298jn/keywords/518d/make/bmw/usedcars/model/5_series/page/1/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/radius/1500/quicksearch/true?logcode=p

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_5_Series_%28F10%29

either way, unless they 518d is a few grand cheaper, I wouldnt touch it, the same tax and that much of a performance difference v the 520d...

Oafley Jones

Idbatterim wrote: »

summerwind, I read the brand new 518d with the B47 engine has 148bhp, but when I was on autotrader looking up 2013 ones, they definetly said 143... Wikipedia says 141bhp

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201502040671140/sort/default/postcode/ls298jn/keywords/518d/make/bmw/usedcars/model/5_series/page/1/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/radius/1500/quicksearch/true?logcode=p

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_5_Series_%28F10%29

either way, unless they 518d is a few grand cheaper, I wouldnt touch it, the same tax and that much of a performance difference v the 520d...

I'd say they were created with fleet buyers in mind, rather than private individuals.

Summer wind

I think when the 518d was released it had 143 bhp and then there was an upgrade to 150 bhp. I may be wrong but BMW Ireland say 150 bhp too. I don't think I'd go for one anyway. I know you can save about €2,500 if you do but the 520d is better I think.

bazz26

I find the performance of my 520d to be average enough given it's size and weight. I'd hate to think what the 518d is like.

Summer wind

It felt ok on a straight stretch of road but for me the real test would be driving around the city and the back roads where I live. My 520 is no ball of fire pulling away from the lights so I don't think the 518 would be for me. I know the 518 is supposed to be more economical but I think the engine would have to work a bit harder in the 518. It wasn't as bad as the X3 though:)

Idbatterim

I'd say they were created with fleet buyers in mind, rather than private individuals.

yeah I am sure it was, in that context I get it or if you were saving 2-3 grand over the 518d I can see why some might go for it... As a private buyer I see no point in it, unless you are saving 2-3 grand at least, even then I wouldnt personally go for it, but a lot of people buying these cars dont care about the ponies under the bonnet, but 9.4 0-100 come on...

spyderski

Just be aware that you'll get around €5k off list on a brand new 520d at the moment. Given that, that €45,000 for a 141 reg 518d is nuts......

Summer wind

I can't get them to budge on price. I'd love to know what I'm doing wrong.

spyderski

To really know the deal you're getting, you need to find out the real price of the new car, forgetting bout any trade-ins. Tell them you're selling yours privately and ask them what the cash price is on the Auto model.

bazz26

You have a trade in and one that ain't in huge demand.

Have you tried outside the Pale yet? I saved about €500 and got a better spec car by buying from a different dealer 60 miles away.

spyderski

+1 on the above - manual cars will be much more in demand outside Dublin. FWIW I wouldn't buy a new manual 520d even if it was 5k less than an auto, but some people are the opposite.

carsfan

Where will you get 5k off a brand new 520d?

spyderski

In the garage I bought one off a few weeks ago. Was actually quite surprised myself -there was a good few extras on it though.

spyderski

Sorry if that last post read as a bit snarky - not meant to be, just don't want to name the dealer......

R.O.R

spyderski wrote: »

Just be aware that you'll get around €5k off list on a brand new 520d at the moment. Given that, that €45,000 for a 141 reg 518d is nuts......

spyderski wrote: »

In the garage I bought one off a few weeks ago. Was actually quite surprised myself -there was a good few extras on it though.

Brand new, un-registered? I really doubt that.

Considering I'm a quite a way off from getting €5,000 off the list price of a new 520d, and buy quite a lot of them every year, I know the dealer doesn't have that sort of margin to play with.

I drove a 518d out to Kilcock and thought it was actually quite decent. Doesn't feel much slower than my E60 (177ps), and accelerated well from 100km up (which is when lower power versions usually struggle). Was the same output as the 318d, which was 143ps. Brought in as a new price point, hence Audi giving us back a lower power A6, 3 years after they got rid of it.

spyderski

R.O.R wrote: »

Brand new, un-registered? I really doubt that.

Doubt away, but it's sitting in the car park. Not pre-reg'd, actually wasn't even in the country when I ordered it. I had no trade in though, and along with the few extras that probably helped.

Summer wind

Well I'm going to call to an Audi dealer tomorrow to see what he will say. And I'm test driving a Mercedes E200 next week and then there's the 518d but it's the 520d i really want. So hopefully the right car will come along fairly soon while mines still worth the money.

carsfan

Spyderski
Fair play to you for getting that much off a 520. Was it a car the dealer had already ordered coming in that had a lot of extras?
The most I got off for cash from BMW was 2.5k for a 520d.
I found that none of the dealers would budge beyond this.

Summer wind
Avoid the 518. You would never be happy. I have driven an e200. It's ok when you're up and running but much more sluggish from a standstill then the 520.
They are comfy but the driving position is not as good as bmw in my opinion.

Summer wind

Yeah I'm looking forward to driving the E Class and finding out what kind of deal I may get but it has even less power than the 518d so probably won't be the car for me. And the search will go on:)

bazz26

Nice AMG Sport E220 for sale here:
http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Mercedes-Benz/E-Class/220-CDI/134514227022489730/

E220 has 170bhp which is an improvement on the E200 anyway. I like the colour too.

166man

R.O.R wrote: »

Brand new, un-registered? I really doubt that.

Considering I'm a quite a way off from getting €5,000 off the list price of a new 520d, and buy quite a lot of them every year, I know the dealer doesn't have that sort of margin to play with.

I drove a 518d out to Kilcock and thought it was actually quite decent. Doesn't feel much slower than my E60 (177ps), and accelerated well from 100km up (which is when lower power versions usually struggle). Was the same output as the 318d, which was 143ps. Brought in as a new price point, hence Audi giving us back a lower power A6, 3 years after they got rid of it.

I agree, you weren't getting €5k off list price. I know the margins too.

518d isn't a bad drive, the badge puts people off for obvious reasons. Think of it as a standard 2.0 diesel saloon and its grand.

Pick of the BMw range now is the 220d. Cracking car to drive

Summer wind

Thanks bazz26 and yes I do agree that's one fine car and the colours great too. Id say if I go for a Mercedes I would go for an E220 over an E200 because the E200 sounds a bit underpowered but I will know for sure next week when I do my test drive.

The two BMW dealers I've visited said no way could they match the €30,000 the Mercedes dealer has offered me and one even told me I'm too young to be driving a Mercedes:) I'm hoping to visit an Audi dealer later today to see what they think too.

Idbatterim

according to this the new E class is being released next year and the 4 cylinder diesels are "gruff"

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/Mercedes/E-Class

166man

Idbatterim wrote: »

according to this the new E class is being released next year and the 4 cylinder diesels are "gruff"

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/Mercedes/E-Class

Yes but that's Autoexpress, complete pack of morons when it comes to car journalism. I wouldnt put any faith in what they say.

Summer wind

Does anyone have an opinion on buying a 142 reg 520d demo model with 5,000 miles on the clock for €45,000?

bazz26

Does it have the older N47 engine or newer B47 engine? B47 engine is 190bhp.

Summer wind

I'm not 100% sure but I will find out. Maybe the fact it has 5,000 miles done means it's been around since before the new engine. I think that was introduced in September?

carsfan

So are you looking at 18k to change to this from yours?

Summer wind

Well I've only spoken to the dealer on the phone and I don't know if I would go for it or not because I don't want to spend that much. The dealer hasn't seen my car yet so don't know how much he would give me for mine. Two BMW dealers have told me €27,000 is the most they can offer so I guess he will be the same. €18,000 is a lot of money so I will probably wait.

carsfan

18k seems a lot but I suppose you would be moving up 2 years and to a better spec with the auto gearbox.
I can't see you getting a hugely better offer from any other BMW dealer as they all know what the car is worth to them. That said you might do a little better if they have a customer lined up for yours.

bazz26

As already mentioned earlier in this thread, you may get a better price for your car outside Dublin as there maybe a better market for a manual 5 Series there.

Summer wind

The two dealers I've visited are in Limerick and kerry and they have offered me €27,000. The dealer in Dublin said he would have to see the car and the dealer in Cork said the same but I'd say they will all say the same amount. I didn't get a price from the Audi dealer I saw today because he looked at the car and said he would have to ring Audi in Dublin and BMW in Dublin and get an appraisal price from them and I didn't have time to wait so he's to get back to me.

166man

In theory a 142D Demo car should have the B47 engine in it. It doesn't drive any differently really, you'll just have to check to be sure.

carsfan

I would recommend trying morissons in cahir if you are looking in the Munster region. They seem keen to do business. I found the other two dealers you mentioned not as competitive on price. Although I don't see you getting offered thousands more for your car by any one to be honest