Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 Mod Note in OP 9/4

joe123

Kirby wrote: »

You know accusations of trolling is worth a yellow card right? Because that's what you are doing here.

This whole "trying your best" euphemism is obvious.

Ah be quite and stop talking nonsense. :pac:

Kirby

joe123 wrote: »

I honestly wonder do some of the people on here realise how stupid they look when they knee jerk like that.

Nobody is Knee jerking. At all.

The people who rate him and want him wont let todays loss effect them.....and the people who don't rate him and want him gone wont change their minds when a win happens.

joe123 wrote: »

Ah be quite and stop talking nonsense. :pac:

If you are going to insult somebody, at least learn to spell.

joe123

Kirby wrote: »

Nobody is Knee jerking. At all.

The people who rate him and want him wont let todays loss effect them.....and the people who don't rate him and want him gone wont change their minds when a win happens.

The Rodgers out brigade go very quite when things look good and out they come when a couple of results go bad.

That is what I am referring to.

Tipsy McSwagger

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Yeah that's a great fantasy you live in , the club just didn't put the effort in to keep him when it was needed.

You just keep on believing that.

Jesus Wept

Lazar gunna lazar

Osmosis Jones

Gerrard's leaving because he's not happy with how much game time he's been told he'll get.

mada999

Fowler87 wrote: »

Interesting summer awaits..

shíte summer awaits i reckon... we'll prob not buy another striker as origi will be arriving... prob buy Will Hughes or some other British player for £18-25m...

JohnDaniels

MD1990 wrote: »

I really hope we don't sign Milner & Ings in the summer.

Hard to see how we will be able to compete for proven quality even if we are willing to pay wages/fees required. No CL football, best players looking for moves and a manager who isn't really a huge draw for the best players. We will find it very to add the kind of proven ready made quality the squad so badly lacks.

Utopia Parkway

Far too timid and quiet as a team. Maybe a sign of the inexperience of most of the squad. Bellerin gave away a penalty and should have picked up his 2nd yellow card. Not one Liverpool player approached the ref to point that out. If that was Chelsea or United, Terry or Rooney would have been straight over with about 3 or 4 lads right behind them. A small thing maybe but you don't get much for being nice.

Kirby

Kirby wrote: »

Turtyturd will tell you he's the best in the league. Unless he plays rubbish like today. Then its "The Rodgers'" fault. :rolleyes:

Kirby wrote: »

Rodgers just said "Raheem was outstanding today...."

Outstanding.

Kirby wrote: »

You know accusations of trolling is worth a yellow card right? Because that's what you are doing here.

This whole "trying your best" euphemism is obvious.

If you constantly take cheap pot shots people are gonna argue your points.

Aren't you accusing me of something too? :pac:

Look lad, no hard feelings, we'll move on

Gbear

kevohmsford wrote: »

With financial fair play Liverpool cannot go out and spend alot of money for the foreseeable future.
Tough loss today.

It's not even about FFP.

We don't have money to pull out of our arses. Why would we expect FSG to dip into their pockets?

That's not normal. Teams that don't want to go bankrupt have always had to live within their means.

We're no different.

Chelsea and City will do whatever they do - they're not playing the same game as proper teams.
But with Utd and Arsenal, they've had managers in place for decades while their clubs spread all over the world, they developed enormous stadia and have had pretty solid governance from above and they did it when the going was fairly easy - when they had very little opposition to getting CL at worst.

We've come very late to the party. The top 4 horse has already bolted.
The collapse at the end of Rafa's reign wasn't out of nothing. It was 20 years in the making. As soon as Chelsea came on the scene and raised the standards of the league, we were exposed as having been built on quicksand.
City's arrival completed our destruction.

MD1990

You can buy good players with a small enough budget. Villarreal, Porto & Sevilla are just some examples of this

We have money.

We just aren't using it correctly

Utopia Parkway

As for this season the biggest problem is we've practically played the whole season with no proper strikers. Sturridge has been permanently crocked. Ballotelli a disaster and Lambert is slower than a month in jail. If the club do anything this Summer it must get rid of the deadwood up front and buy quality in it's place.

super_furry

Lovren, Allen, Marcovic and Balotelli cost £70million between them. It's not a case of not having money, it's spending it on the wrong players.

Kirby

rarnes1 wrote: »

Look lad, no hard feelings, we'll move on

That's good of you. No hard feelings lad. Chin up sport, you'll get them next time. Always next season.

mada999

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Gerrard is leaving because he has no confidence in the manager,

is this a joke ? Gerrard is on his way out because he cant get a game.. pure and simple..

slingerz

Wonder will people finally recognise the need for a vast improvement in the centre of the field. Allen, Lucas, Henderson not good enough for first team spots

MD1990

super_furry wrote: »

Lovren, Allen, Marcovic and Balotelli cost £70million between them. It's not a case of not having money, it's spending it on the wrong players.

Its strange we have money & are willing to pay big transfer fees.
But we are obsessed with low wages probably because of what happened with Cole & Johnson.

Osmosis Jones

slingerz wrote: »

Wonder will people finally recognise the need for a vast improvement in the centre of the field. Allen, Lucas, Henderson not good enough for first team spots

Henderson's a good player, happy to have him in the first team.

Kirby

Kirby wrote: »

That's good of you. No hard feelings lad. Chin up sport, you'll get them next time. Always next season.

Always next season for yourselves too. At least we're all in the same boat I guess

Sundance_Kid

MD1990 wrote: »

Taking Napoli down the table like us unfortuntley. He's gone 5 years now think we should let it go now.

Clearly you don't follow Italian football.

He has rejected numerous offers of a contract extension due to an interfering owner who has promised money and transfers but not delivered.
Hence why Rafa is likely to leave on his own terms.

Gbear

MD1990 wrote: »

You can buy good players with a small enough budget. Villarreal, Porto & Sevilla are just some examples of this

Not the same situation.
Are the players they sign in the prime of their years, of sufficient quality and do they stick around?

Porto are going to be in the CL every season and either win the league or nearly win it. Iberian teams also have environmental advantages - language, climate, culture, ties to South America.

To an extent I think we are somewhat mirroring their system. Can and Markovic are roughly in that bracket.

There's some quality players playing for poor teams or in poor leagues that we can go for.

Whether those players will ever have enough impact to push is into consistent top 4 qualification, never mind do it from the start is another matter.

Kirby

Sundance_Kid wrote: »

Clearly you don't follow Italian football.

He has rejected numerous offers of a contract extension due to an interfering owner who has promised money and transfers but not delivered.
Hence why Rafa is likely to leave.

Rafa has a problem with every owner. There comes a point when you have to start asking whether its everyone else....or the problem might be you. Taking him back would be a step backwards.

Osmosis Jones

OUT:
Gerrard
Balotelli
Lucas
Johnson
Toure
Enrique

What's that, about 400k on wages? Plenty to give to a few top players, hopefully it's done.

Charlie19

Alan Pardew would be a good shout.

Harry Palmr

slingerz wrote: »

Wonder will people finally recognise the need for a vast improvement in the centre of the field. Allen, Lucas, Henderson not good enough for first team spots

Nothing wrong with Lucas (lets face it today was a very hard game to come back for) or Henderson in the right set up. What's wrong is the lack of options and ways to change the middle. Last summer I wanted Fernando though maybe that was actually a bullet dodged, certainly getting in someone like Pjanic who can carry the ball strongly from the middle would be a big help.

Liverpool's big weakness is not so much at the back as it is at the front - the ball doesn't stay high up the field for enough of the game. Greater retention is needed and that means players like Coutinho, Sturridge and Sterling have to do better. All too often possession is fleeting with players easily dispossessed. Someone on the match thread wondered why Coutinho keeps turning into traffic when there is space in the other direction - its a good question as he does it quite a bit.

Kirby

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

OUT:
Gerrard
Balotelli
Lucas
Johnson
Toure
Enrique

What's that, about 400k on wages? Plenty to give to a few top players, hopefully it's done.

I'd say more about 480k. A massive wedge to be fair.

Utopia Parkway

If we did nothing else but sold the deadwood and brought in Pjanic and Lacazette we would probably be much the better side for it.

With no CL though you would need to make them a really good offer.

MD1990

Sundance_Kid wrote: »

Clearly you don't follow Italian football.

He has rejected numerous offers of a contract extension due to an interfering owner who has promised money and transfers but not delivered.
Hence why Rafa is likely to leave on his own terms.

I know he has rejected offers from a few months ago.
Lol at the owner complaint again by Rafa.
Napoli are in horrendous form & it looks like they will be 8 points off 3rd.

mada999

Dont think Rodgers should be sacked.. we need to buy more quality though... need to sign some hard men and then have some flair players to get the goals and provide assists..

Utopia Parkway

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

If we did nothing else but sold the deadwood and brought in Pjanic and Lacazette we would probably be much the better side for it.

With not being in the CL that's not gonna happen.

I'm guessing it could be upwards of 70m for that pair.

Zero chance.

Carlton Cole is available though

weldoninhio

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

If we did nothing else but sold the deadwood and brought in Pjanic and Lacazette we would probably be much the better side for it.

With no CL though you would need to make them a really good offer.

Liverpool are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They can buy 1 or 2 big players, but then the squad is threadbare and poor at best. Or they can buy 4 or 5 players and the quality isn't there.

Sundance_Kid

Kirby wrote: »

Rafa has a problem with every owner. There comes a point when you have to start asking whether its everyone else....or the problem might be you. Taking him back would be a step backwards.

Where did I say take him back? :rolleyes:

The owners at Liverpool - every manager would have fallen out with them sure the two co-owners fell out with each other.
At least he has delivered trophies everywhere he has gone.

Thankfully it was Rafa who first exposed H&G leading to the fans protests and ultimate outing from the club. Always a legend.

Osmosis Jones

weldoninhio wrote: »

Liverpool are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They can buy 1 or 2 big players, but then the squad is threadbare and poor at best. Or they can buy 4 or 5 players and the quality isn't there.

Not true, the quality isn't there now but the squad is, it's not as if only buying 2 or 3 players will leave us short of players.

googled eyes

Rodgers out?

FFS lads, I know when a manager gets things wrong its right to be critical and Ive been critical
but he's been doing good or does our previous run of games count for nothing?

Let's be honest though, who would replace Rodgers with? FSG have a model that they want to follow so they won't get Rafa ( who most of the anti-Rodgers group want) or any other "Big name"

They'll get a young up and coming manger in the same frame as Rodgers which will set the club back a couple of years.

Top 4 is gone now but we'll still get into Europe which we need to do. We need to play European teams for our coefficient to start moving upwards again. Rodgers also needs European football so he can learn how to set his teams up when/if we make it back to the CL

Sundance_Kid

mada999 wrote: »

Dont think Rodgers should be sacked.. we need to buy more quality though... need to sign some hard men and then have some flair players to get the goals and provide assists..

Would you trust Rodgers to buy those "quality players" based on his transfer dealings so far?
Not gaining CL football which is a big failure will not help with the size of our transfer kitty.

It's a vicious circle - you want more money to spend on transfers but fail to achieve achievable objectives (CL Football) and you don't get the money to spend on the transfers.

Kirby

Sundance_Kid wrote: »

Would you trust Rodgers to buy those "quality players" based on his transfer dealings so far?
Not gaining CL football which is a big failure will not help with the size of our transfer kitty.

It's a vicious circle - you want more money to spend on transfers but fail to achieve achievable objectives (CL Football) and you don't get the money to spend on the transfers.

Joe Allen is the only Rodgers signing that you could properly criticize him for. All the others, both successes and failures,are a product of the transfer committee. Plenty of legit sticks to beat Rodgers with. You cant blame him for the clubs failings....because that's what the transfer policy is.

mada999

Sundance_Kid wrote: »

Would you trust Rodgers to buy those "quality players" based on his transfer dealings so far?
Not gaining CL football which is a big failure will not help with the size of our transfer kitty.

It's a vicious circle - you want more money to spend on transfers but fail to achieve achievable objectives (CL Football) and you don't get the money to spend on the transfers.

i dont believe for a second that Rodgers gets control over which player to sign...

i'd say what happens is that the transfer committee gives him a shortlist and he has to pick out of that.. So maybe the transfer committee needs to look at a higher spec of player..

Drexel

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

OUT:
Gerrard
Balotelli
Lucas
Johnson
Toure
Enrique

What's that, about 400k on wages? Plenty to give to a few top players, hopefully it's done.

Who is goina take Balotelli. No decent team will want him and for 7/8 million upwards he is a huge huge gamble for a mid table team to take on.

weldoninhio

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Not true, the quality isn't there now but the squad is, it's not as if only buying 2 or 3 players will leave us short of players.

You have a squad now, but a lot of it is deadwood. That needs to be cleared out.

Vicxas

Did someone say Alan Pardew in?


I'm out. This thread has clearly gone insane.

Sundance_Kid

Kirby wrote: »

Joe Allen is the only Rodgers signing that you could properly criticize him for. All the others, both successes and failures,are a product of the transfer committee. Plenty of legit sticks to beat Rodgers with. You cant blame him for the clubs failings....because that's what the transfer policy is.

mada999 wrote: »

i dont believe for a second that Rodgers gets control over which player to sign...

i'd say what happens is that the transfer committee gives him a shortlist and he has to pick out of that.. So maybe the transfer committee needs to look at a higher spec of player..

It's all hearsay about the transfer committee - whether they sign the players or not, either way I will believe Brendan than hearsay when he says he has the final say.
And he is on the transfer committee too.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/10032721/Brendan-Rodgers-I-decide-Liverpool-signings.html

If it was a case of the players are signed on his behalf I would have more respect if he quit than work in a situation like that.

Utopia Parkway

jonny666 wrote: »

Who is goina take Balotelli. No decent team will want him and for 7/8 million upwards he is a huge huge gamble for a mid table team to take on.

You'll always find someone.

murpho999

That's why I hardly post here, lose a couple of games and people start calling for Rodgers head.

Now in 2015 people are still asking for Rafa back who left in 2010. FFS

mada999

Sundance_Kid wrote: »

It's all hearsay about the transfer committee - whether they sign the players or not, either way I will believe Brendan than hearsay when he says he has the final say.
And he is on the transfer committee too.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/10032721/Brendan-Rodgers-I-decide-Liverpool-signings.html

If it was a case of the players are signed on his behalf I would have more respect if he quit than work in a situation like that.

yup.. he has the final say out of a list of players..

"However, Rodgers insists while the job of the panel is to identify targets it is he who makes the final choice"

Drexel

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

You'll always find someone.

Thats true.

Bet thats what Milan said at the time :pac:

Sundance_Kid

mada999 wrote: »

yup.. he has the final say out of a list of players..

"However, Rodgers insists while the job of the panel is to identify targets it is he who makes the final choice"

He signs the players he want's - dont sign them if you don't want them.
He obviously want Lovren, Mignolet, Moreno,Markovic, Allen etc - you saying he didn't?

He also picks the list of players as he is on the transfer committee.

Utopia Parkway

weldoninhio wrote: »

You have a squad now, but a lot of it is deadwood. That needs to be cleared out.

Only clear out really has to be up front. Ballotelli, Borini, Lambert, etc. All three of them are barely ever used. Gerrard and Johnson are already leaving.

ricero

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Not true, the quality isn't there now but the squad is, it's not as if only buying 2 or 3 players will leave us short of players.

Exactly we have the bones of a good squad on our hands. Just need 3 quality first team additions to the side. A striker, center midfielder and a wide player.