Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 Mod Note in OP 9/4

Harry Palmr

jonny666 wrote: »

Sanchez wouldnt have sorted out that awful defense

You need to learn how the dynamics of the game work - if you are attacking and scoring the amount of time you need to defend is cut hugely and the type of attacks by the opposition and the nature of the response to same is altered massively.

Simply put in most games if you score first you force the opposition to do what you want them to, if they score first you are at their tactical mercy.

Drexel

Harry Palmr wrote: »

You need to learn how the dynamics of the game work - if you are attacking and scoring the amount of time you need to defend is cut hugely and the type of attacks by the opposition and the nature of the response to same is altered massively.

Simply put if you score first you force the opposition to do what you want them to, if they score first you are at their tactical mercy.

and if you have a defense who look like they cant play football it doesnt matter who you have up front. Liverpool have more problems then missing a Sanchez

mada999

tastyt wrote: »

Go get benteke and Danny ings during the summer lads.

Oh and Ashley Williams.

surely should be looking at Austin as well... :rolleyes:

Kerrigooney

Kirby wrote: »

All true. But don't worry, next year is the year!

Lame.

You're gonna have to try harder than that.

mav79

jonny666 wrote: »

and if you have a defense who look like they cant play football it doesnt matter who you have up front. Liverpool have more problems then missing a Sanchez

Surely Liverpool last year, United and Arsenal this year show that a quality attack can make up for a poor defence. Even with five or six of our attackers around the opposition box we don't look like scoring.

ricero

Defence was awful yesterday but have been generally solid since Christmas. We also missed skrtel hugely in the middle of the defence.

We need to spend the big bucks on a world class forward. Our lack of goals is sad to see.

Kirby

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Lame.

You're gonna have to try harder than that.

There is no try.

Harry Palmr

One thing that's becoming endemic is the slow start, since the City game its happened every time.

Football is a simple game and you need to do just two things well - pace and accuracy. Nearly everything follows from them.

Kerrigooney

Kirby wrote: »

There is no try.

Yeah. Sure :rolleyes:

mav79

You could see yesterday Sterling getting frustrated after closing down a defender only to turn around and seeing no one else following up on the other defenders.

Pyjamarama

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

The team is a laughing stock full of mediocre to poor players with our leader leaving and our best player undecided if he wants to stay. The strikers are made up of a cripple, clown, old man and a guy who's not wanted. The league has been a disaster, the European campaigns have been shocking and now everyone is hoping the season can be saved by winning a cup that doesn't hold the same magic it once did. Millions have been wasted on transfers, opposition teams know how easy it is to play against us, the manager is clueless when we go a goal down (he will put on a sub at the hour mark) and Joe Allen is a regular in the starting XL. This season has been a massive massive disaster and a wake up call to the owners, they need a manager who can compete with the big teams in the premiership and in Europe, Brendan Rodgers is not that man.

Worst post I've read on here in a while... Joe Allen has not been a regular when everyone is fit during his time at the club. And rosgers has shown multiple times a willingness to change his team at half time.

Drexel

mav79 wrote: »

Surely Liverpool last year, United and Arsenal this year show that a quality attack can make up for a poor defence. Even with five or six of our attackers around the opposition box we don't look like scoring.

Oh an attacker is most definitely needed but I would be very worried about the way the defense went about their business yesterday. Arsenal didnt even put that much pressure on them. It wasnt all Kolo either.

mav79

jonny666 wrote: »

Oh an attacker is most definitely needed but I would be very worried about the way the defense went about their business yesterday. Arsenal didnt even put that much pressure on them. It wasnt all Kolo either.

I thought Kolo and Sakho did all they could with a shambles around them. I don't think there is a need for Moreno to be so far forward constantly, he has pace to get into space so his starting position does not need to be in the opposition half. Once Sakho gets dragged out to cover for Moreno we are always in trouble in the centre.

Harry Palmr

mav79 wrote: »

You could see yesterday Sterling getting frustrated after closing down a defender only to turn around and seeing no one else following up on the other defenders.

Sturridge is particularly poor in this regard.

mav79 wrote: »

I thought Kolo and Sakho did all they could with a shambles around them. I don't think there is a need for Moreno to be so far forward constantly, he has pace to get into space so his starting position does not need to be in the opposition half. Once Sakho gets dragged out to cover for Moreno we are always in trouble in the centre.

Indeed it why I Dick advocate a return to four at the back, the whole wingback thing has been worked out and isn't functioning very well on its own account anyway.

Kirby

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Yeah. Sure :rolleyes:

No need to take everything so seriously. The whole "Our year!" thing is fairly self referential at this stage. I've heard more Liverpool fans say it than rival fans at this stage. :P

ben.schlomo

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Sturridge is particularly poor in this regard.



Indeed it why I Dick advocate a return to four at the back, the whole wingback thing has been worked out and isn't functioning very well on its own account anyway.

Take a bow.

mav79

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Indeed it why I Dick advocate a return to four at the back, the whole wingback thing has been worked out and isn't functioning very well on its own account anyway.[/QUOTE]

I would love to see us go back to the diamond with two up top for a few games and see how it works out.

Drexel

mav79 wrote: »

I thought Kolo and Sakho did all they could with a shambles around them. I don't think there is a need for Moreno to be so far forward constantly, he has pace to get into space so his starting position does not need to be in the opposition half. Once Sakho gets dragged out to cover for Moreno we are always in trouble in the centre.

In fairness Moreno was the root cause of a lot of Liverpools problems yesterday.

Turtyturd

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Yeah. Sure :rolleyes:

Careful now...he'll be talking about you in the Arsenal thread if you keep that up.

Kerrigooney

Kirby wrote: »

No need to take everything so seriously. The whole "Our year!" thing is fairly self referential at this stage. I've heard more Liverpool fans say it than rival fans at this stage. :P

Yeah but when we say it it's self deprecating and funny

redzerdrog

mav79 wrote: »

I would love to see us go back to the diamond with two up top for a few games and see how it works out.

Same as I think the diamond would get the best out of our most influential players

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Lucas

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-Henderson ---Coutinho

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Sterling

---

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Sturridge----AN Other

That AN Other could even be Balotelli and I think this formation might actually see us get something out of him.
It also gives us the option of changing things up a bit with both Can and Lallana easily fitting into the above

Kerrigooney

Turtyturd wrote: »

Careful now...he'll be talking about you in the Arsenal thread if you keep that up.

I don't read the Arsenal thread...I see it as a colouring book in comparison to this threads War And Peace like scale.

Kirby

Kerrigooney wrote: »

I don't read the Arsenal thread...I see it as a colouring book in comparison to this threads War And Peace like scale.

I don't remember War and Peace having many Panda's in it......

Jungle Book would be a better description of this thread. For many reasons.

mav79

redzerdrog wrote: »

Same as I think the diamond would get the best out of our most influential players

---

Lucas

---

-Henderson ---Coutinho

---

Sterling

---

---

Sturridge----AN Other

That AN Other could even be Balotelli and I think this formation might actually see us get something out of him.
It also gives us the option of changing things up a bit with both Can and Lallana easily fitting into the above

That would be my preferred line up. I always thought Couthino playing in the midfield trio suits him better than playing in the 10 role. Even Borini up front with Sturridge would just add more runs to divide defences rather than everyone dropping outside the box.

Agent Coulson

4 at the back and 2 up front and the other 4 somewhere in the middle.

Vicxas

Agent Coulson wrote: »

4 at the back and 2 up front and the other 4 somewhere in the middle.

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Couldnt resist

Edit: balls didn't work on phone

Agent Coulson

Vicxas wrote: »

Couldnt resist

Edit: balls didn't work on phone

:pac:

Harry Palmr

Tiago Ilori starts his 6th game in the last 7 against bottom club Lens at 1 pm.

Agent Coulson

Ilori & Origi would be the right two players to send on loan to a club like Derby next season I think even on a loan till Christmas and review it then.

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rob316

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Ilori & Origi would be the right two players to send on loan to a club like Derby next season I think even on a loan till Christmas and review it then.

.

Why would we loan out a player we paid £10m for without giving him a chance in a desperately poor strike force first?

BorneTobyWilde

We have two defeats and suddenly we are bottom of the table material. Consistency is key thing I believe. We seem to go through stages of pressing the ball high up the pitch, not giving the opposition much time on ball, yesterday we done no such thing. We sat off Arsenal, letting them have it and relying on our last line of defense to break up play, that is asking for trouble.
Sterling tried to defend from the front, closing down defenders, not giving them much time, forcing defender to knock it across back line, only for Sterling to look around and see NO ONE closing down that defender who just received the ball. That would drive anyone mad, Sterling was not to happy, Rodgers was not to happy and Cuntinho was not to happy. 3 frustrated people. Cuntinho also pressed, and carried the ball well, but had lil backup. I believe it's a mental thing, Rodgers needs to get point across that we press press press, regardless of where we play and who we play.
I'm not saying go to Arsenal and bomb forward, I'm saying go there press, even in the middle of the field, break up play, don't sit off and drop deep. We played first 20 mins 3 feet from Mingolet.


PRESS
TRACK
PASS
POSSESSION
POSSESSION
POSSESSION
ATTACK

BorneTobyWilde

This race for 4th is a head bobber
Everything changes over 4 games
Next four games will tell a lot
We must take our 12 pts next four
Man U could lose next three
Let us pray

Washington Irving

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

This race for 4th is a head bobber
Everything changes over 4 games
Next four games will tell a lot
We must take our 12 pts next four
Man U could lose next three
Let us pray

Amen

Harry Palmr

5starpool

For us to get top 4 we realistically have to win all 7 and then hope that utd lose 3 of their last 7 games (or Arsenal to only get 11 points from 7, or City to only get 13 points from 8), which is possible but highly unlikely to happen. We are probably a 50/1 shot at this stage really.

Damien360

5starpool wrote: »

For us to get top 4 we realistically have to win all 7 and then hope that utd lose 3 of their last 7 games (or Arsenal to only get 11 points from 7, or City to only get 13 points from 8), which is possible but highly unlikely to happen. We are probably a 50/1 shot at this stage really.

Of all that. Utd loosing 3 is the most realistic but us winning all 7 is just silly.

mada999

Agent Coulson wrote: »

4 at the back and 2 up front and the other 4 somewhere in the middle.

might just work as yesterday were like pampers, shíte at the back and piss poor upfront..

Jesus Wept

Why not start Sturridge. We love handicapping ourselves. Play that Lazar donkey instead.

Midlife Crashes

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Tiago Ilori starts his 6th game in the last 7 against bottom club Lens at 1 pm.

I've watched a lot of the games he's played this season and definitely think he will be starting next season. Would be perfect for Can's role in the back 3

Buford T. Justice XIX

weldoninhio wrote: »

Aspas, Luis Enrique, Manquillo will be gone, Luis Alberto, etc. Moreno possibly.

Seeing as he is already at Barca, i wouldn't be getting my hopes up about him leaving just yet:)

Manquillo and Moreno will be at Liverpool next season, both young and covering positions where the 'senior' players look likely to leave, Jose 'Luis' Enrique and Johnson.

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Tiago Ilori starts his 6th game in the last 7 against bottom club Lens at 1 pm.

Just watched the 2nd half - the commentator said the Bordeaux back line was rather lucky not to have conceded in the first, they did in the 2nd but it was nothing to do with Ilori who one moment aside (a rather aimless ball up field that went straight to a Lens midfielder) he was an effective defender nothing fancy - headers, hit it first time clearances plus protecting the keeper when he came to pick up a loose forward ball. His height is definitely an advantage to him.

FT Bordeaux 2-1 Lens

5starpool

Damien360 wrote: »

Of all that. Utd loosing 3 is the most realistic but us winning all 7 is just silly.

It certainly is, and hence why we are out of it for (almost) sure.

5starpool

5starpool wrote: »

It certainly is, and hence why we are out of it for (almost) sure.

Weirdly enough we are as low as 8/1 on exchanges for top 4

Damien360

rarnes1 wrote: »

Weirdly enough we are as low as 8/1 on exchanges for top 4

Fools and their money

Damien360

Damien360 wrote: »

Fools and their money

Not necessarily, you can lay it too

5starpool

rarnes1 wrote: »

Weirdly enough we are as low as 8/1 on exchanges for top 4

Jaysis.

5starpool

5starpool wrote: »

Jaysis.

Bet Victor has us at 5/1! They are a bookie so the fools and money applies here

Will I Amnt

Damien360 wrote: »

Of all that. Utd loosing 3 is the most realistic but us winning all 7 is just silly.

United have lost 2 of their last 26 league games and are looking far more settled and consistent now. I'd be surprised if they lost 3 of the last 7.

Harry Palmr

If I say "Burnley can do us a favour" they'll lose won't they? So Spurs will win this.

JohnDaniels

rarnes1 wrote: »

Weirdly enough we are as low as 8/1 on exchanges for top 4

Damien360 wrote: »

Fools and their money

5starpool wrote: »

Jaysis.

Probably about the right price. United have Chelsea, City and then Everton in the next three games. We have Newcastle, Hull and West Brom. It is still while a huge outside chance concievable we might be within touching distance after the next three games.